Do the refs not like boeheim?

Cowtown said:

I don't know whether they generally dislike him, but I'm pretty sure they ALL took exception to his going off like he did on Tony Greene during the Duke game last year. Where that went from there is anyone's guess, however.

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OrangeXtreme said:

And McCullough just got called for his 6th foul...

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raf4488 said:

Nah, they were just incompetent today. Some of these old guys travel around and ref games for 30 or 40 consecutive days with no break, so of course they're going to be inconsistent. It's really bad for the game and the NCAA needs to stop this from happening. I just think these guys get lazy because they're fatigued/overworked, and it can be easier to favor the home team or the team with "momentum" even if it's not happening consciously or intentionally.

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NYCSUGrad said:

That is incredibly generous of you.

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llandz said:

I'm waiting for one of these guys to drop on the floor. They are all at least 10 years older than me, and I can't run up and down the court like that. Some of them look pretty winded at times.
Also let's not forget the reason JB went off on the ref last year after the Duke game, and most of all that ref's explanation for his call. He decides what is going to happen before it happens based on the mostly likely scenario, and then makes the call. Seriously this game seemed to have a lot of that type of play calling going on.
I am extremely frustrated.
Our players clearly towed the line since the last game. They must have practiced hard, they listened to coach, they did everything right, and this is what they got. Are they perfect, no. But this game was stolen from them I feel extremely bad for them.

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RF2044 said:

What drives me nuts is that we've seen virtually ZERO change, despite the points of emphasis that got made on the rule book last year. It had some minor short term changes last season, and then the vast majority of refs went right back to calling games the same way they'd been calling them.

This scrum crap is bad for basketball. At least the NBA was smart enough to do something about it. College basketball needs to figure it out, too-fast.

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llandz said:

I'm waiting for one of these guys to drop on the floor. They are all at least 10 years older than me, and I can't run up and down the court like that. Some of them look pretty winded at times.

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Cowtown said:

I agree to a certain extent. However it's far more difficult in the NCAA to effect substantive change. Not the least of which is the old boys' club at the tops of their associations, who aren't going to change much even if they were offered free beer and a night with Jennifer Bini Taylor. But that;s why Jim Burr and Tim Higgins lasted well beyond their best before date: because at least with them and their ilk you know what you're getting. Better the devil ya know ... The second is more problematic: there are approx 350 Div I teams, 280 Div II, another 350 Div III, and then 200 plus in the NAIA. And that's just the men's teams. Notice I didn't mention junior colleges. So there are thousands of officials. The NBA has about 65-75 refs, and it's a LOT easier to coerce uniformity from a group that size. That, and they do nothing else, they're professional referees, which is certainly not true in the college ranks.

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Cowtown said:

I don't know whether they generally dislike him, but I'm pretty sure they ALL took exception to his going off like he did on Tony Greene during the Duke game last year. Where that went from there is anyone's guess, however.

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RF2044 said:

That's a really good point.

However, it is incumbent upon the NCAA to figure this out. There is no excuse for such wild variance. Especially when the NCAA has taken the public stance that they want to address the issues, and have enacted rule changes. Something has to change. College basketball is worse for the officiating in recent years. I don't accept that because there's complexity solving the problem, that they shouldn't try.

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docsu said:

The refs sucked but "stole the game" is to far...considering how we self destructed in the last twenty seconds.

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docsu said:

The refs sucked but "stole the game" is to far...considering how we self destructed in the last twenty seconds.

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RF2044 said:

I don't agree. Those plays in the last 20 seconds wouldn't have mattered if this game had even been 75/25 in terms of bias.

I don't disagree that our execution wasn't what it needed to be. 20 turnovers is too much, no matter how you cut it. But quite a few of those were on questionable calls that blatantly advantaged Villanova in key situations. Very frustrating. We were the better team today, but DID have it stolen by poor officiating, which kept the game much closer than it legitimately should have been.

Those plays in the last 20 seconds wouldn't have had any impact [if they occurred at all], if we are up 8.

But 20 turnovers... yeah, we have lots of work to do.

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docsu said:

I get it and I'm real pissed about the reffing. But if we execute half as well as a normal JAB coached team we win the game in spite of the one sided officiating. I Think that's the worst for me.

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docsu said:

I get it and I'm real pissed about the reffing. But if we execute half as well as a normal JAB coached team we win the game in spite of the one sided officiating. I Think that's the worst for me.

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