Class of 2016 S Devon Clarke (FL) SIGNED LOI

Full_Rebar · Jul 30, 2015

jekelish said:
"Like them to visit first" is all well and good and logical. I did kinda do an awkward collar tug when I read it though, considering we just took a commitment on Monday from a kid who has never visited.

Same here. I do appreciate that SU reached out so quickly here, but they just need to be more careful with the rationale.

CuseLegacy · Jul 30, 2015

AAM62 said:
they can flip it and say he gets that treatment because he already decommited once. The line is total BS, though. Fact of the matter is the kid made a mistake.

I'm not so sure. Remember there were some kids that they had come to camp who they wouldn't take their commitments. I think they want to be able to evaluate some of the kids in person. Remember they haven't had face to face contact with any of these kids.

jekelish · Jul 30, 2015

CuseLegacy said:
I'm not so sure. Remember there were some kids that they had come to camp who they wouldn't take their commitments. I think they want to be able to evaluate some of the kids in person. Remember they haven't had face to face contact with any of these kids.

And actually, that may explain the Brinson thing. We've been down to watch him work out in person, and that's when we offered, if I'm not mistaken. So they've had some real face to face time with him. How much have they had with Clarke?

CuseLegacy · Jul 30, 2015

jekelish said:
And actually, that may explain the Brinson thing. We've been down to watch him work out in person, and that's when we offered, if I'm not mistaken. So they've had some real face to face time with him. How much have they had with Clarke?

I'm not sure. It could have all been from tape and texts.

money3189 · Jul 30, 2015

Hope the article gives people perspective on what happens in recruiting. Not always the coach fault or the kid's fault. In this case its the kid's fault. He jumped the gun without telling his own coach or college recruiter.

baggerbob · Jul 30, 2015

jekelish said:
And actually, that may explain the Brinson thing. We've been down to watch him work out in person, and that's when we offered, if I'm not mistaken. So they've had some real face to face time with him. How much have they had with Clarke?

Remember with Shy he got the offer from Scott, when he came up for the camp, at least that's what I remember from Bams posts.

DownTheField · Jul 30, 2015

baggerbob said:
Remember with Shy he got the offer from Scott, when he came up for the camp, at least that's what I remember from Bams posts.

I think he had the "offer" before he went to camp but after they saw him perform in person they were ready to accept his commitment.

jekelish · Jul 30, 2015

DownTheField said:
I think he had the "offer" before he went to camp but after they saw him perform in person they were ready to accept his commitment.

Yep. Shy had wanted to commit before he got to camp, if I remember correctly, but they wanted to wait and see him in person first.

Bambrewer · Jul 30, 2015

Well he had an offer and I got nervous when they had a lot of linebackers they were looking at so I told shy to feel them out about committing. They told him to hold off they wanted to see his senior season. Shy was crushed. We talked and said lets go to camp and show me who you are. Half way through camp coach took us to the office and told him he Wanted him. It took 3 times of him saying we really want you and my wife kicking shy before shy realized he was going to let him commit that day. He said I just kept waiting for the we want you but...

Trueblue25 · Jul 30, 2015

Bambrewer said:
Well he had an offer and I got nervous when they had a lot of linebackers they were looking at so I told shy to feel them out about committing. They told him to hold off they wanted to see his senior season. Shy was crushed. We talked and said lets go to camp and show me who you are. Half way through camp coach took us to the office and told him he Wanted him. It took 3 times of him saying we really want you and my wife kicking shy before shy realized he was going to let him commit that day. He said I just kept waiting for the we want you but...

Coaches obviously feel like they got an eye for talent I guess. Had to see Shy perform whatever at that camp, knew they liked what they saw, and offered him. Maybe it's the same case with Clarke? Who knows.

rrlbees · Jul 30, 2015

money3189 said:
Hope the article gives people perspective on what happens in recruiting. Not always the coach fault or the kid's fault. In this case its the kid's fault. He jumped the gun without telling his own coach or college recruiter.

I didn't read it that way. Should a kid first tell the coaches he's committing? Sure, that seems the most logical way. But I took it as the kid thought he had an offer when he really didn't.

Consigliere · Jul 30, 2015

rrlbees said:
Didn't say you don't keep recruiting a kid or flipping kids. But you either offer or you don't. An offer is an offer. If it's not, don't call it one.

Couldn't agree with you more, Bees. But then a commitment should be a commitment, too.

I started to type that maybe the whole process should be more formalized but that would just put it in the NCAAS "wheelhouse."

TheCusian · Jul 30, 2015

rrlbees said:
I didn't read it that way. Should a kid first tell the coaches he's committing? Sure, that seems the most logical way. But I took it as the kid thought he had an offer when he really didn't.

I think it's more akin to going on a job interview, getting the job and then telling the paper you're the new head of marketing - before - letting them know you've accepted it.

rrlbees · Jul 30, 2015

TheCusian said:
I think it's more akin to going on a job interview, getting the job and then telling the paper you're the new head of marketing - before - letting them know you've accepted it.

Not close to the same.

TheCusian · Jul 30, 2015

rrlbees said:
Not close to the same.

Uh? He went public instead of telling the institution that had offered. Unless you mean "not close to the same" as he is a kid and doesn't know better - then it's up to the adults (SU coaches, HS coaches, parent, etc) that this is how the world - and recruiting process - works.

But please enlighten me. Your answer was short on info or opinion.

rrlbees · Jul 30, 2015

TheCusian said:
Uh? He went public instead of telling the institution that had offered. Unless you mean "not close to the same" as he is a kid and doesn't know better - then it's up to the adults (SU coaches, HS coaches, parent, etc) that this is how the world - and recruiting process - works. But please enlighten me. Your answer was short on info or opinion.

You compared 2 things that aren't the same. The job offer, if he had called the employer first to accept, the employer would have said great, when can you start. The player, if he had called the coaches first to accept, would have been told, in this case, you can't commit.

TheCusian · Jul 30, 2015

rrlbees said:
You compared 2 things that aren't the same. The job offer, if he had called the employer first to accept, the employer would have said great, when can you start. The player, if he had called the coaches first to accept, would have been told, in this case, you can't commit.

Normally. But what if you'd waited too long? Or you were okay with the verbal terms but hadn't seen the contract yet? Things change - especially if you hadn't communicated in a while, either way. What if someone had made a job offer contingent on a few things (your responsibility) and you hadn't done them yet?

I realize the two things are different - but where it counts - is that you check with the party you're trying to enter into an agreement with first - before going public.

tep624 · Jul 30, 2015

rrlbees said:
You compared 2 things that aren't the same. The job offer, if he had called the employer first to accept, the employer would have said great, when can you start. The player, if he had called the coaches first to accept, would have been told, in this case, you can't commit.

If you called to accept a job offer 4 months after it was offered without discussing it with the employer first, I'm guessing you'd be out of luck as well.

money3189 · Jul 30, 2015

You guys are thinking way too much with this. You dont commit without talking to your recruiting coach lol. Its no other way to see it. You commit to him and the university in person or on the phone. When you hear stories of verbal commits you always hear how the coaches screamed and showed joyful emotions. Coach is not suppose to find out from twitter after not talking with the prospect for weeks. Everything cant be broken down or analysed. He was wrong for that point blank.

bcubs9497 · Jul 30, 2015

money3189 said:
You guys are thinking way too much with this. You dont commit without talking to your recruiting coach lol. Its no other way to see it. You commit to him and the university in person or on the phone. When you hear stories of verbal commits you always hear how the coaches screamed and showed joyful emotions. Coach is not suppose to find out from twitter after not talking with the prospect for weeks. Everything cant be broken down or analysed. He was wrong for that point blank.

Yep. Only way a recruit can pull something like that off is if he's got 20+ offers to P5 powerhouses and his one of the top 5-10 kids in the country at his position.

SUFan44 · Jul 30, 2015

rrlbees said:
I didn't read it that way. Should a kid first tell the coaches he's committing? Sure, that seems the most logical way. But I took it as the kid thought he had an offer when he really didn't.

As has been said by others, you commit by telling a coach first - then telling the world. Then he would have been told what was going on. Instead, he's in an awkward position. This happens with every college team in America - high level, low level, basketball, football, lacrosse, soccer, whatever it is. It is nothing new and has happened for years, but the way everything is portrayed on social media makes it main stream now.

rrlbees · Jul 30, 2015

tep624 said:
If you called to accept a job offer 4 months after it was offered without discussing it with the employer first, I'm guessing you'd be out of luck as well.

Job offers aren't open forever and if you take too long they'd call you and tell you sorry. Athletic offers don't close in less than a week. Hell some kids get offered 2 years before they commit. Apples and Oranges.

rrlbees · Jul 30, 2015

money3189 said:
You guys are thinking way too much with this. You dont commit without talking to your recruiting coach lol. Its no other way to see it. You commit to him and the university in person or on the phone. When you hear stories of verbal commits you always hear how the coaches screamed and showed joyful emotions. Coach is not suppose to find out from twitter after not talking with the prospect for weeks. Everything cant be broken down or analysed. He was wrong for that point blank.

I'm not thinking too much into it. I've said a couple times a kid should tell the coach first. My point is, even if he did in this case, he would have been told no. Which means he didn't really have an offer.

TheCusian · Jul 30, 2015

rrlbees said:
I'm not thinking too much into it. I've said a couple times a kid should tell the coach first. My point is, even if he did in this case, he would have been told no. Which means he didn't really have an offer.

What if the kid heard "we want you to visit campus before you commit" and took that as "I have an offer"?

Or "we love your play on the field and are offering a scholarship if you take of your test scores" ...

Lots of gray area and "lost is translation" stuff in there. The fact that the coaches can't tell their side of the story makes things a lot more muddled.

money3189 · Jul 30, 2015

ok he would have been told no. Just like thousands of other kids being told no. SU is no different from any other school that have to keep kids on hold. There are thousands of prospects who keep schools on hold.

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