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These were comments from a Pitt fan on one of their boards regarding the firing of Shafer. I thought it was interesting
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Scott Shafer is a good coach but needed better players. There is no HS talent in upstate NY and very little in New England. Syracuse is one of the toughest places to recruit to.

Syracuse seemed much improved under Shafer but it didnt show in the record because their players just weren't good enough.

If I was Syracuse, knowing the recruiting difficulties, I'd give the Navy coach serious consideration. He doesnt need great recruits and the thought would be he could get a little bettet caliber of athlete to play in the ACC. I would absolutely hate another triple option attack but I think schools that always have difficulty recruiting should consider the triple option. -----------------------

The Georgia Tech of the North? Thoughts?
 
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It makes a ton of sense.. People get carried away that the triple option isn't exciting enough to win football games...
 
money3189 said:
This was comments from a Pitt fan on one of their boards regarding the firing of Shafer. I thought it was interesting ----------------------------------------------------- Scott Shafer is a good coach but needed better players. There is no HS talent in upstate NY and very little in New England. Syracuse is one of the toughest places to recruit to. Syracuse seemed much improved under Shafer but it didnt show in the record because their players just weren't good enough. If I was Syracuse, knowing the recruiting difficulties, I'd give the Navy coach serious consideration. He doesnt need great recruits and the thought would be he could get a little bettet caliber of athlete to play in the ACC. I would absolutely hate another triple option attack but I think schools that always have difficulty recruiting should consider the triple option. ----------------------- The Georgia Tech of the North? Thoughts?
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My brother-in-law is a huge Ohio State fan and he said the same thing.

I also saw Iowa State was sniffing around both Frost and the Navy coach. Similar situations talent wise.

I prefer Frost, but wouldn't hate it if it worked.
 
IthacaBarrel said:
It makes a ton of sense.. People get carried away that the triple option isn't exciting enough to win football games...
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The only football issue there seems to be with the triple option is that it can be very challenging to come back from a deficit. I see GA Tech play more than most here, and it's a challenge.
 
Pass, nothing wrong with the option but this isnt 85, if Syracuse has any hopes of ever competing on the big stages again ie Top 25 they need to get a high powered offense, the Option is something academies and fringe Div 1 schools use its not the answer here.
 
Moontan said:
The only football issue there seems to be with the triple option is that it can be very challenging to come back from a deficit. I see GA Tech play more than most here, and it's a challenge.
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I agree on that
 
TheCusian said:
My brother-in-law is a huge Ohio State fan and he said the same thing.
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Well done!

Finding a Buckeye fan that can actually talk college football is rare. I live in Buckeye country and can't seem to find anyone that can talk anything but Buckeye football. It really is cumbersome.
 
Moontan said:
The only football issue there seems to be with the triple option is that it can be very challenging to come back from a deficit. I see GA Tech play more than most here, and it's a challenge.
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Yes, that's a frightening proposition if our defense plays like it has.
 
I want to win as much as the next guy, but this is BS. HCDM won 8 games twice, with zero facilities coming off Gerg. Get the right COAcH in here and we'll be fine.
 
I will support whichever way we choose to go and, while I don't dismiss the idea of the triple, I think some of the premises of the argument in favor are wrong. Before we throw the baby out with the bathwater, let's try a modern offense with a better staff first. If that fails, then we can talk.
  1. We should try a modern offense first. Hackett's offense worked fine and Shafer simply abandoned it.
  2. Recruiting is getting more and more national or at least regional. Our skill players, which ARE ACC caliber, come from all over the country.
  3. Let's not forget our last two OCs were inexperienced either as an OC or beyond D3.
  4. The triple option requires experienced players to succeed so W-L record can be a Yo-Yo. - ask GT.
  5. There is more talent in the Northeast than is generally recognized.
  6. Replacing a Triple Option coach is no easy task. If he leaves we would be screwed far than with another offense type.
  7. The triple option does not take advantage of the dome.
Give Frost a shot.
 
JeremyCuse said:
Pass, nothing wrong with the option but this isnt 85, if Syracuse has any hopes of ever competing on the big stages again ie Top 25 they need to get a high powered offense, the Option is something academies and fringe Div 1 schools use its not the answer here.
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Navy has been in the Top 25 several times using Niumatalolo's offense.

Put me down as someone who loves the Navy offense and would have no issue with KN as coach.
 
money3189 said:
These were comments from a Pitt fan on one of their boards regarding the firing of Shafer. I thought it was interesting
-----------------------------------------------------

Scott Shafer is a good coach but needed better players. There is no HS talent in upstate NY and very little in New England. Syracuse is one of the toughest places to recruit to.

Syracuse seemed much improved under Shafer but it didnt show in the record because their players just weren't good enough.

If I was Syracuse, knowing the recruiting difficulties, I'd give the Navy coach serious consideration. He doesnt need great recruits and the thought would be he could get a little bettet caliber of athlete to play in the ACC. I would absolutely hate another triple option attack but I think schools that always have difficulty recruiting should consider the triple option. -----------------------

The Georgia Tech of the North? Thoughts?
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Well if Syracuse had only recruited upstate NY and New England he might have a point. But that hasn't been the case for four decades and I'll point out again four year string of 28 - 23 with three bowl wins with a standing start coming off of 10-37 and one transition year.
 
Crusty said:
I will support whichever way we choose to go and, while I don't dismiss the idea of the triple, I think some of the premises of the argument in favor are wrong. Before we throw the baby out with the bathwater, let's try a modern offense with a better staff first. If that fails, then we can talk.
  1. We should try a modern offense first. Hackett's offense worked fine and Shafer simply abandoned it.
  2. Recruiting is getting more and more national or at least regional. Our skill players, which ARE ACC caliber, come from all over the country.
  3. Let's not forget our last two OCs were inexperienced either as an OC or beyond D3.
  4. The triple option requires experienced players to succeed so W-L record can be a Yo-Yo. - ask GT.
  5. There is more talent in the Northeast than is generally recognized.
  6. Replacing a Triple Option coach is no easy task. If he leaves we would be screwed far than with another offense type.
  7. The triple option does not take advantage of the dome.
Give Frost a shot.
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Love it!!!
 
What is it that people see in the Navy triple that is better than the Oregon offense?
 
Dnyr85 said:
Well done! Finding a Buckeye fan that can actually talk college football is rare. I live in Buckeye country and can't seem to find anyone that can talk anything but Buckeye football. It really is cumbersome.
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Not to go off topic ... But I will. The meltdown here in Ohio was wonderful last week, and will only be sweeter should that team up north pull off a win today.
 
Crusty said:
What is it that people see in the Navy triple that is better than the Oregon offense?
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To me, it's not a one over the other. I can live with either. I'm not going to dismiss the triple option just because it's not considered "modern".
 
CuyahogaCuse said:
Not to go off topic ... But I will. The meltdown here in Ohio was wonderful last week, and will only be sweeter should that team up north pull off a win today.
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I enjoyed it as well !! And I agree with you.
 
Crusty said:
What is it that people see in the Navy triple that is better than the Oregon offense?
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Even though its old school Navy has a system that works and its hard to prepare for and stop. It really neutralizes a team with better talent. Navy's scheme has all the movements of the modern spread offense it's just done in tighter formations and more cut blocking. A QB who is a dynamic runner makes it hard to defend, a QB who is equally good at running and passing makes it impossible to stop. You have to hope for triple option teams to make mistakes, get tackles for losses to force them into 3rd and longs. Like someone else said. The negative is having to come from behind. Your getting out of your element when that happens.
 
money3189 said:
Even though its old school Navy has a system that works and its hard to prepare for and stop. It really neutralizes a team with better talent. Navy's scheme has all the movements of the modern spread offense it's just done in tighter formations and more cut blocking. A QB who is a dynamic runner makes it hard to defend, a QB who is equally good at running and passing makes it impossible to stop. You have to hope for triple option teams to make mistakes, get tackles for losses to force them into 3rd and longs. Like someone else said. The negative is having to come from behind. Your getting out of your element when that happens.
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I understand those are the arguments for the triple and again, I don't want to sound overly negative, but the Oregon Zone Read from the spread formation (how's that Finwad32) gives you those things and more.

I have to disagree that Navy has the same as a spread just run from a tighter formation. Just like GT their base formation is a double wing with a full back (Navy B back). (Lester used the same formation for much of the year, we just called the positions something different.) They rely on the same basic plays as any other TO team: line plunge, QB keeper or toss to motioning A back. They are one dimentional. Navy is 127 of 128 in pass attempts per game at 8+.

The other thing that happens is fumbles. All that ball handling and sooner or later the ball winds up on the ground. Navy is a top 25 in fumbles per game most years.

The better DCs in the ACC have figured out how to stop GT. Running the triple is no surprise in the ACC. Same thing will happen in the AAC.

Keenan Reynolds is an exceptional triple option QB. Even with him Navy is probably a 8-4 or 7-5 team with our schedule.

Oregon's zone read can be successful with our talent, certainly bowl successful. Like anyone else, give us a good QB and we can be better than the 2012 team.

There is simply more upside to other offenses. Of course, if we are willing to be average or a bit above some years, then the triple will probably achieve that. What is the Latin for "average is great'?
 
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