Waiters to the Heat | Page 5 | Syracusefan.com

Waiters to the Heat

jordville said:
I think OKC taking his qualifying offer so late in the game hurt Dion's market as well.
Expand...

I think this played a huge, huge part in it. He got screwed when the dynamics of OKC's franchise completely changed and they pulled their offer after everyone else had pretty much spent all their money. No way he signs a 1 year $2.9m deal if he is an UFA from the start.

I don't think he's getting the max like some people said back when but to say he doesn't belong in the NBA is almost just as big as an overstatement.
 
Wow. I was only about $10 millon off on what I thought he would get. But, he wasn't offered early so he missed out when the market was peaking.

I have to assume he took the pay cut from OKC to showcase himself more. Instead of fighting with VO for minutes, and hoping Westbrook passes. Good spot for him to do so. Just gonna take another year to get paid, but I think it will work out and make him more in the long run.
 
JLine said:
I have to assume he took the pay cut from OKC to showcase himself more. Instead of fighting with VO for minutes, and hoping Westbrook passes. Good spot for him to do so. Just gonna take another year to get paid, but I think it will work out and make him more in the long run.
Expand...

He didn't take a pay cut from an OKC offer. An offer no longer existed.

OKC rescinded his qualifying offer so they had cap space to sign the one and only Alex Abrines.
 
docsu said:
Expand...

A player option is always a nice touch on a contract from a player's perspective. If he has a really terrible time next year (let's hope he doesn't) and loses more favour around the league, at least he has another $3m guaranteed.

But next year would have to be a real disaster for him not to opt out.
 
jncuse said:
A player option is always a nice touch on a contract from a player's perspective. If he has a really terrible time next year (let's hope he doesn't) and loses more favour around the league, at least he has another $3m guaranteed.

But next year would have to be a real disaster for him not to opt out.
Expand...

Yeah I don't know how much value the player option has; unless he commits a murder or something next year he should be able to get $3 million next summer from someone.

I definitely agree OKC pulling the QO when they did ended up hurting the contract he signed. Maybe he should have thought about taking the QO as fa dragged on?
 
Knicks411 said:
Yeah I don't know how much value the player option has; unless he commits a murder or something next year he should be able to get $3 million next summer from someone.

I definitely agree OKC pulling the QO when they did ended up hurting the contract he signed. Maybe he should have thought about taking the QO as fa dragged on?
Expand...
The player option on that second year is basically a three million insurance policy against a career ending injury. Maybe Dion didn't want to be in OKC without Durant?
 
Fireball Jr. said:
Too bad. Dion still has time to turn things around, but a one-time 4th overall draft pick gets relative chump change. while an undrafted player, Dellavedova, who was below Dion on the depth chart two seasons ago in Cleveland gets $38 mill for 4 years.
Expand...
:vomit:
 
OttoinGrotto said:
The player option on that second year is basically a three million insurance policy against a career ending injury. Maybe Dion didn't want to be in OKC without Durant?
Expand...

Yeah I mean the option isn't bad; it's a worst case scenario, so whatever.

I don't know, I think probably his agent screwed up? They probably figured someone would come in with some kind of an offer, maybe right up until the moment when OKC pulled the QO? I'm not a huge pro Dion guy but even I didn't think he'd get 3 million a year. is Miami without Wade going to be any better than OKC without Durant? I'm not sure. (But in fairness, there has been so much player movement I sometimes lose track of what teams rosters look like right now)
 
Knicks411 said:
Yeah I mean the option isn't bad; it's a worst case scenario, so whatever.

I don't know, I think probably his agent screwed up? They probably figured someone would come in with some kind of an offer, maybe right up until the moment when OKC pulled the QO? I'm not a huge pro Dion guy but even I didn't think he'd get 3 million a year. is Miami without Wade going to be any better than OKC without Durant? I'm not sure. (But in fairness, there has been so much player movement I sometimes lose track of what teams rosters look like right now)
Expand...
Yeah, I don't think it's unreasonable to blame the agent.

Miami got a steal.
 
two3zone said:
This is a good deal? Did you see what Deladova got?
Expand...

I'm sorry. I should have said "a deal". It's more money that I will ever make in a year. I guess I wasn't looking at it the right way.
 
cuseincincy said:
And also compare it to Mike Conley getting $26.5M. I mean he's not $23M a year better than Dion. He's probably not $23M better than me either though!
Expand...

Maybe Conley has a better agent.
 
cuseincincy said:
That's it! You dared me:

MPG 28.3/32.5
PPG 12.8/13.6
APG 2.5/5.6
RPG 2.6/2.9
FG% 41.1/44.0
3FG% 33.4/37.3

I never said Dion was as good as Conley. I just said Conley was not $23M per year better. And he's not.
Expand...

I agree Dion at 3 million a year is a very good deal for Miami. But Mike Conley is probably one of the six or 7 best PG in the NBA right now? (toward the bottom of that list, of course, but on it) Dion isnt a starting player.
 
Knicks411 said:
Yeah I don't know how much value the player option has; unless he commits a murder or something next year he should be able to get $3 million next summer from someone.

I definitely agree OKC pulling the QO when they did ended up hurting the contract he signed. Maybe he should have thought about taking the QO as fa dragged on?
Expand...

His agent, Gabjon, told him not to. Agreed though it's not much of an option.

You know what was a good player option from a player's point of view. Andrea Bargnani getting an $10-11M player option as part of a 5/50 deal he signed with the Raptors. The 5 years of terror, including the player option, ended with the Knicks. Of course Bargnani was going to take his player option.

Bryan Colangelo could be so bad at times especially when it came to decisions regarding his Italian "Love Child". He had not earned that contract based on his poor play on the court with glaring weaknesses and lack of motivation, but OK some thought he had potential. If you are going to give a large contract that will only have value if the player changes a lot, you NEVER give the person a player option at the end.
a) If the player never reaches his potential, you get stuck with the bad value at the end.
b) If the player reaches his potential, he leaves you hanging. So if the player improves you lose out a year he may actually be worth it.

A young player who has played to an unsatisfactory level like Bargnani at that point should have never had the leverage to get a $10M player option in his deal ( about $18M today). GM 101.

Sometimes player options are the kicker that needs to be in place for established players. That is understandable.
 
cuseincincy said:
That's it! You dared me:

MPG 28.3/32.5
PPG 12.8/13.6
APG 2.5/5.6
RPG 2.6/2.9
FG% 41.1/44.0
3FG% 33.4/37.3

I never said Dion was as good as Conley. I just said Conley was not $23M per year better. And he's not.
Expand...

He may not be $23M better, but Conley statistically is just below all star level and Waiters is near replacement level. Memphis overpaid for that level of play, but they are not even close to the same level of players.

The stats are not that close.

PER Last 4 Years:
Conley - 18.3, 20.0, 18.6, 19.4
Waiters - 13.7. 14.0, 10.9, 9.4

Win Shares:
Conley - 9.9, 8.2, 6.8, 5.3 (in 56 games)
Waiters - 0.9, 1.6, 1.1, 2.1

TS% Last 4 years
Waiters - 49% (Last year 49%)
Conley - 55% (Last year 54%)

6% in TS% is a massive efficiency difference.

Conley is also the team leader while Waiters sometimes has an attitude. Maybe it's not $23M, but it's close to $15M difference in my view.
 
jncuse said:
His agent, Gabjon, told him not to. Agreed though it's not much of an option.

You know what was a good player option from a player's point of view. Andrea Bargnani getting an $10-11M player option as part of a 5/50 deal he signed with the Raptors. The 5 years of terror, including the player option, ended with the Knicks. Of course Bargnani was going to take his player option.

Bryan Colangelo could be so bad at times especially when it came to decisions regarding his Italian "Love Child". He had not earned that contract based on his poor play on the court with glaring weaknesses and lack of motivation, but OK some thought he had potential. If you are going to give a large contract that will only have value if the player changes a lot, you NEVER give the person a player option at the end.
a) If the player never reaches his potential, you get stuck with the bad value at the end.
b) If the player reaches his potential, he leaves you hanging. So if the player improves you lose out a year he may actually be worth it.

A young player who has played to an unsatisfactory level like Bargnani at that point should have never had the leverage to get a $10M player option in his deal ( about $18M today). GM 101.

Sometimes player options are the kicker that needs to be in place for established players. That is understandable.
Expand...

I really wish i could downvote you for mentioning Bargnani. What a terrible trade.
 
Knicks411 said:
I really wish i could downvote you for mentioning Bargnani. What a terrible trade.
Expand...

The horror was shared amongst fanbases. I was so surprised when we got a 1st rounder for him a few years back... it was a bit of retribution for having to put up with him for 7 years, and using a first rounder on him, and then having BC shove him down our throats.

I suspect opposing fans wonder, as I do, how the Raptors have won 104 games the last 2 years. But whatever the formula Kyle Lowry is a major part of it. Back at the beginning of 2012/2013 there was a clubhouse altercation on the west coast that involved Lowry as the major party and a few others being pissed at and confronting Bargnani. Bryan Colangelo made a special trip down to the West Coast, got on the live TV broadcast the next day. and proceeded to blame almost everyone on the team for the altercation.. with one exception of course... he made it clear that Bargnani was not to blame and should not have been confronted for his play. That story pretty much defines the 7 year Bryan Colangelo / Andrea Bargnani era.

BC claimed he was looking to trade Bargnani in his last trade deadline here, but I suspect that was a lie. Thankfully, he was finally canned and one of the first things Ujiri did was trade Bargnani. Ironically, the first thing that Sean Marks did as Brooklyn GM was release Bargnani within a day of being hired.

What a bum. F Bargnani.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

M
    • Like
Proposed rule changes to NIL and portal to enhance player retention
Replies
12
Views
1K
hoopsupstate
H
General20
    • Like
    • Love
Miami Thoughts
2
Replies
29
Views
2K
Wrinkle
Wrinkle
jordoo
    • Like
Incredibly Frustrating For The Coaching Staff
2
Replies
48
Views
5K
Newhouser
N
BillSU
    • Like
THE PORTALS TOP 25
2 3
Replies
52
Views
7K
ar inj
ar inj
Nicknack
    • Like
    • Love
Random Positives From Yesterday
2
Replies
27
Views
2K
NorSyr66
NorSyr66

Forum statistics

Threads
167,500
Messages
4,706,987
Members
5,908
Latest member
Cuseman17

Share this page

Online statistics

Members online
327
Guests online
2,877
Total visitors
3,204
Totals may include hidden visitors.


Top Bottom