2024 Bracketology / Selection Show

[Powellfan]

Does anyone (Fieldy mostly) know what the largest variance between RPI is, relative to their seed, in terms of teams that are traveling?

I’m not sure if I’m phrasing that correctly, but if SU were the third seed, and get matched up with Army, they would be 14. If Denver as 4 or 5 drew Utah, they are currently 30. Air Force is 35. To give Denver that sort of cushion, to me, is CRAZY. Hopkins at two would have to play Towson at 17. Again, in no universe should the teams ranked second and third be playing teams ranked higher than the fourth or fifth seeded team. Especially when there is a difference of 16 seeds. That is completely bush league and really makes a mockery of bracket integrity.

Is there historical precedence for that sort of gap? I’m sure there is. This system is based on sport that was almost completely played in the north east and mid Atlantic. The game has changed with the additions of more geographically diverse teams, it’s time for the selection committee to change their criteria along with it.

Lastly, if a matchup between Utah and Denver already requires a flight, why can’t they fly them to Baltimore or Syracuse? I know the answer is money, but if you are getting on a plane, make it worth their while.

 

[fieldystick]

Does anyone (Fieldy mostly) know what the largest variance between RPI is, relative to their seed, in terms of teams that are traveling?

I’m not sure if I’m phrasing that correctly, but if SU were the third seed, and get matched up with Army, they would be 14. If Denver as 4 or 5 drew Utah, they are currently 30. Air Force is 35. To give Denver that sort of cushion, to me, is CRAZY. Hopkins at two would have to play Towson at 17. Again, in no universe should the teams ranked second and third be playing teams ranked higher than the fourth or fifth seeded team. Especially when there is a difference of 16 seeds. That is completely bush league and really makes a mockery of bracket integrity.

Is there historical precedence for that sort of gap? I’m sure there is. This system is based on sport that was almost completely played in the north east and mid Atlantic. The game has changed with the additions of more geographically diverse teams, it’s time for the selection committee to change their criteria along with it.

Lastly, if a matchup between Utah and Denver already requires a flight, why can’t they fly them to Baltimore or Syracuse? I know the answer is money, but if you are getting on a plane, make it worth their while.

I might give you a more detailed response once I get back to a computer but in general

1) +/- 3 is the deviation between RPI seeds that tends to show itself over and over in the recent historical data. There are a few outliers but they are rare. What I mean is if Syracuse ends up 3rd in final RPI go +/- 3 from that and 1st through 6th seeds are historically “allowed” as their final own seeding. Let the data guide you to what that actual seed is. But 1/2/3/4/5/6 would all be within historical precedent

2) I (strongly) suspect committee would view Army as “12” (seed) and Utah as “15” (seed) not the 14 and 30 they currently are in RPI.

Is there historical precedence for that sort of gap? I’m sure there is.

3) yes. Some also involve Denver. I can pull them when I’m back at a computer.

Lastly, if a matchup between Utah and Denver already requires a flight, why can’t they fly them to Baltimore or Syracuse?

4) it’s more about avoiding the third flight. Utah to anywhere is a flight, anyone to Denver is a flight. We’re rolling what would be two flights into one.

 

[JeremyCuse]

I'm not sure that I follow you. Either I'm misunderstanding something or we actually agree. I think Syracuse should be the 2 or 3 seed right now. That's a fact. It's nearly indisputable.

Games are played once. They are a relatively random probabilistic sample. Ask the ACC in 2022 about how that sometimes turns out. Syracuse has the actual results in those games to deserve the seeding of 3rd (2nd would be fine too). that they are receiving. I am using wins and losses to judge seedings.

If the NCAA called up the two of us (me and Stevens) who have been consistently making brackets this season and said screw all these stated criteria, the two of you seed this how you want to based on how good you think these teams actually are and give the people the 1-16 bracket they think they crave based on your subjective (meaningless) eye test, I promise you that Syracuse is not ending up 2nd or 3rd.

I do not advocate this subjective seeding of teams, and I launched into this topic because I thought you were evaluating Army in particular at 9th.
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Let me know what you meant in the part I quoted if I have just totally not addressed it, because I didn't understand if we are arguing different things.

Let me see if I can clarify my point.

I agree with you that you have Su as the 2 or 3 seed based on their wins. You then said that you felt like SU clearly wasn't the #3 overall team based on the eye test. My point or question was, it's fine to feel that way but how exactly are you gauging who is the #2 or #3 or #4 team via the "eye Test" if your not also going by wins.

YOu sort of answered the question in another post but didn't actually list who you thought was the 2nd 3rd and 4th team and why and I'am curious to get that answer.

 

[fieldystick]

By the way, this discussion would make great bulletin board material for the Syracuse team.

Thanks! I’m happy that my understanding of basic probability and statistical concepts could help motivate the 2024 Syracuse Orange team in some small way!

All credits to the Georgia Institute of Technology - they taught me everything that I know!

 

[JeremyCuse]

Does anyone (Fieldy mostly) know what the largest variance between RPI is, relative to their seed, in terms of teams that are traveling?

I’m not sure if I’m phrasing that correctly, but if SU were the third seed, and get matched up with Army, they would be 14. If Denver as 4 or 5 drew Utah, they are currently 30. Air Force is 35. To give Denver that sort of cushion, to me, is CRAZY. Hopkins at two would have to play Towson at 17. Again, in no universe should the teams ranked second and third be playing teams ranked higher than the fourth or fifth seeded team. Especially when there is a difference of 16 seeds. That is completely bush league and really makes a mockery of bracket integrity.

Is there historical precedence for that sort of gap? I’m sure there is. This system is based on sport that was almost completely played in the north east and mid Atlantic. The game has changed with the additions of more geographically diverse teams, it’s time for the selection committee to change their criteria along with it.

Lastly, if a matchup between Utah and Denver already requires a flight, why can’t they fly them to Baltimore or Syracuse? I know the answer is money, but if you are getting on a plane, make it worth their while.

This has been a major issue before, can't remember the exact year, I wanna sat 17 or 18 but SU was the #2 overall seed and got stuck with Yale in the 1st round because of flight BS. Also your right, Hop if they're #2 should not be playing Towson again either in the 1st.

 

[fieldystick]

You sort of answered the question in another post but didn't actually list who you thought was the 2nd 3rd and 4th team and why and I'am curious to get that answer.

As I’ve said, it doesn’t matter. My opinion of how good the teams are matters no more than anyone else’s, and some might could even argue it matters even less! Just go prove me wrong, there are up to 6 very good opportunities ahead of Syracuse to go do that.

Ask Powellfan about all the times in 22 and 23 I tried to reassure in DMs that I thought Syracuse was on the right track and that I could see where this was heading because I was going through/had just gone through it as a Hopkins fan. I have no particular nitpick with Syracuse as a program, I promise.

 

[JeremyCuse]

As I’ve said, it doesn’t matter. My opinion of how good the teams are matters no more than anyone else’s, and some might could even argue it matters even less! Just go prove me wrong, there are up to 6 very good opportunities ahead of Syracuse to go do that.

Ask Powellfan about all the times in 22 and 23 I tried to reassure in DMs that I thought Syracuse was on the right track and that I could see where this was heading because I was going through/had just gone through it as a Hopkins fan. I have no particular nitpick with Syracuse as a program, I promise.

I'm not accusing you of bashing SU or trying to nitpick them in fact I have my own concerns about this team that I think I have made fairly clear. I also with all due respect don't need SU to prove you or anyone else wrong, 11 titles speaks for itself. However, to be fair you opened the door when you said you were going to make a statement many would disagree with. I' am not even sure I disagree with your thought process but you haven't fully explained it so I can't say one way or the other. Again you noted you felt if asked to rank the teams you felt SU clearly wasn't #2 or 3. Certainly fine, again I am not sure I disagree. However, who would you put in the top 5 and what rationale are you using?

Not trying to hound you but why put it out there if your not going to give us your thought process or explain it?

 

[fieldystick]

also with all due respect don't need SU to prove you or anyone else wrong, 11 titles speaks for itself.

The 2024 team, which is the one we're talking about, has not won 11 national titles. This is 2024, not 1990. Gary Gait is walking through the door as a coach, not a player. The accomplishments of the many who came before this 2024 team are admirable - even amazing! - but they are also irrelevant to this season. I do not care how many titles your program has or does not have when I am evaluating the teams in this 2024 season.

However, to be fair you opened the door when you said you were going to make a statement many would disagree with. I' am not even sure I disagree with your thought process but you haven't fully explained it so I can't say one way or the other. Again you noted you felt if asked to rank the teams you felt SU clearly wasn't #2 or 3. Certainly fine, again I am not sure I disagree. However, who would you put in the top 5 and what rationale are you using?

Not trying to hound you but why put it out there if your not going to give us your thought process or explain it?

I opened the door because I misunderstood you saying #9 @ #3, which is incorrect for this particular season, this particular bracket. I thought you were making a specific statement about Army being #9... because how else am I supposed to read that? We're talking about this season, this bracket in this thread.

I read it that you essentially wanted to have your cake and eat it too - that you wanted us to evaluate Syracuse favorably (correctly) based on data at #3, and Army favorably (incorrectly) based on "eye test" at #9. I would apologize and say that I made a mistake here, but I actually don't think that I did based on what was written. Instead, I will say that I am sorry that I read what was written literally and opened a door.

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I'm just some guy. A country bumpkin who grew up in the middle of a cotton field in Georgia. I'm basically an idiot about these things! Don't know a darn thing about math or making brackets or how good a team might be.

 

[JeremyCuse]

The 2024 team, which is the one we're talking about, has not won 11 national titles. This is 2024, not 1990. Gary Gait is walking through the door as a coach, not a player. The accomplishments of the many who came before this 2024 team are admirable - even amazing! - but they are also irrelevant to this season. I do not care how many titles your program has or does not have when I am evaluating the teams in this 2024 season.




I opened the door because I misunderstood you saying #9 @ #3, which is incorrect for this particular season, this particular bracket. I thought you were making a specific statement about Army being #9... because how else am I supposed to read that? We're talking about this season, this bracket in this thread.

I read it that you essentially wanted to have your cake and eat it too - that you wanted us to evaluate Syracuse favorably (correctly) based on data at #3, and Army favorably (incorrectly) based on "eye test" at #9. I would apologize and say that I made a mistake here, but I actually don't think that I did based on what was written. Instead, I will say that I am sorry that I read what was written literally and opened a door.

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I'm just some guy. A country bumpkin who grew up in the middle of a cotton field in Georgia. I'm basically an idiot about these things! Don't know a darn thing about math or making brackets or how good a team might be.

Clearly were talking about 2024 but my point was not sure why SU would need to prove you wrong, their clearly the best program of the modern era despite the last decade + being less than optimal.

I also understand we got lost in translation about 3 vs 9 and Cuse vs Army I get that and understand your point there and again that's my bad for not clarifying. That post was about the ridiculous flight rule and how matchups are made via travel costs versus actual seeding in other tournaments.

I am not currently talking about anything having to do with Cuse vs Army as the 3 vs 9 or anything to do with Army at all. My point that I thought I explained a couple of times in the last few posts was that you noted in you original response that you felt SU was seeded appropriately at 2 or 3 based on their wins to date. I think most would agree with that with the caveat of what happens this weekend clearly being important for seeding.

You then went on to say that if you were asked to evaluate the teams strictly by "eye test". SU would clearly not be in your top 2 or 3 or in Stevens. I noted that was certainly your right but asked you to clarify who would you put in those spots and why because I felt it was odd to say SU was a top 2 or 3 team based on wins but not on the "eye test". I am simply looking for your explanation/rationale on why you feel that way and who you would put there and why, not sure why that suddenly is something you can't answer when you brought it up yourself.

 

[fieldystick]

You then went on to say that if you were asked to evaluate the teams strictly by "eye test". SU would clearly not be in your top 2 or 3 or in Stevens. I noted that was certainly your right but asked you to clarify who would you put in those spots and why because I felt it was odd to say SU was a top 2 or 3 team based on wins but not on the "eye test". I am simply looking for your explanation/rationale on why you feel that way and who you would put there and why, not sure why that suddenly is something you can't answer when you brought it up yourself.

Preseason polls are a very strong indicator in general of how much talent there is on a team. I think they are in many ways useless because they "poison" a season, but they reflect with decent correlation how things are actually going to go.


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I think 4 of those 8 teams who were "on paper" before the season better than Syracuse... are actually better than Syracuse. I absolutely can answer which ones I think are better and why, but I am not here to answer that. It only ever got brought up in the first place because of a misunderstanding and then my trying to show why it was not in Syracuse's interests that we suddenly go to subjective selection! It's clear that there was a misunderstanding, and that I do not want to talk about it any further. It's not why I'm here. It's not my area of expertise. It's not how I think we should be doing things.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Preseason polls are a very strong indicator in general of how much talent there is on a team. I think they are in many ways useless because they "poison" a season, but they reflect with decent correlation how things are actually going to go.

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I think 4 of those 8 teams who were "on paper" before the season better than Syracuse... are actually better than Syracuse. I absolutely can answer which ones I think are better and why, but I am not here to answer that. It only ever got brought up in the first place because of a misunderstanding and then my trying to show why it was not in Syracuse's interests that we suddenly go to subjective selection! It's clear that there was a misunderstanding, and that I do not want to talk about it any further. It's not why I'm here. It's not my area of expertise. It's not how I think we should be doing things.

If you don't want to expand on it that's certainly your right but if your gonna be a bracket specialist seems odd to limit yourself to only talking about the bracket based on every criteria but your own thoughts.

I'd also note that I'm not sure SU gets hurt at all if the bracket was subjectively put together. They have better overall #s then everyone of those schools on your list save ND when you look at SOS, RPI head to head and Top 5 wins. Those 4 mystery teams you won't name maybe better then SU but without ya know actually saying who they are we can't debate it.

 

[fieldystick]

Clearly were talking about 2024 but my point was not sure why SU would need to prove you wrong, their clearly the best program of the modern era despite the last decade + being less than optimal.

Unfortunately, I now understand why Patrick Stevens does not answer questions or explain his selection/seeding decisions any further than he does in his own articles. He controls his own narrative thread, and it's how it is.

I think it's best that I take his approach from now on.

My primary complaint with sports fans in general is that they are too biased. It was my fault for ever coming into a place that is so non-neutral that it is advertised directly in the URL. I guess that I was just so excited to see stuff that I had worked really hard on being discussed here, and I thought that I could jump in and help.

I have enjoyed interacting with quite a few people here over the years. It's clear that my time here has run its course. This is not the place to have discussions about brackets. There is a place for everything, and this is not the place for that for anyone but Syracuse fans. This is a place to flail passionately between thinking the sky is falling and that it's our year for sure - the passions of a fandom on full display. That’s great, I'm glad there is a place for that.

There are two or three other people who frequently post in this thread who have a very strong understanding of how this stuff works, and I expect that they can continue to be a good resource for this board on this topic and they can even deliver it from an inherently pro-Syracuse perspective! Win, win.

In the future, I will be in the correct place to discuss this stuff, anyone who wants to talk to me for some reason, find me there, and maybe we can talk.

 

[AD31]

SU is a few freaky plays from being 13 - 2 or 14 - 1. Now those freaky plays happened early in the season which new transfers came in and last yrs freshman class just starting out their sophomore season. Figg was hurt last yr so really is his freshman yr he's playing so much better now then early season. They were very streaky in games while getting comfortable with eachother. SU is a better more explosive team now. Will Mark started the season slow and wasn't seeing the ball. Now for the last 7 or 8 games he's been maybe the best goalie in college lacrosse. I believe if SU played Maryland and Army again especially Maryland they win without any OT. Recently they crushed Duke and beat UVA. Lost to Cornell yes but losing March definitely affected the offense. I really wouldn't be suprised if SU beats Duke again and pulls one out vs ND if they beat UVa again. Kohn was under the weather and struggled big time vs ND yet they lost by 2 and if not for Entenmann making that ridiculous save on Stevens SU would have been down 1 with a minute left in game. They didn't play their best game vs ND which u have to bring ur A game to beat them. Don't be surprised if SU wins the ACC tournament. They definitely have the talent to win it. Joey was also banged up after that Delaware game so hopefully with this break he's back to full health. Then I wonder who would be considered better and should be ranked as top seeds. I hope their well rested and bring their best for 4 Quarters each game they play. Let's go Cuse

 

[BigNastyJon]

Forgive my ignorance, is there any chance Cuse gets a home game Mother’s Day weekend for the 1st round?

 

[JeremyCuse]

Unfortunately, I now understand why Patrick Stevens does not answer questions or explain his selection/seeding decisions any further than he does in his own articles. He controls his own narrative thread, and it's how it is.

I think it's best that I take his approach from now on.

My primary complaint with sports fans in general is that they are too biased. It was my fault for ever coming into a place that is so non-neutral that it is advertised directly in the URL. I guess that I was just so excited to see stuff that I had worked really hard on being discussed here, and I thought that I could jump in and help.

I have enjoyed interacting with quite a few people here over the years. It's clear that my time here has run its course. This is not the place to have discussions about brackets. There is a place for everything, and this is not the place for that for anyone but Syracuse fans. This is a place to flail passionately between thinking the sky is falling and that it's our year for sure - the passions of a fandom on full display. That great, I'm glad there is a place for that.

There are two or three other people who frequently post in this thread who have a very strong understanding of how this stuff works, and I expect that they can continue to be a good resource for this board on this topic and they can even deliver it from an inherently pro-Syracuse perspective! Win, win.

In the future, I will be in the correct place to discuss this stuff, anyone who wants to talk to me for some reason, find me there, and maybe we can talk.

I'm sorry you feel that way but I think your response is way over the top for absolutely no reason. I think you do a good job and I pretty much agree with your brackets almost 100%. I also have zero issue with your bracket or your thoughts beyond our previous discussion on who you feel is better then SU based on the eye test that you don't want to reveal and that has zero to do with your bracket posts. This board is also one of the most welcoming on the entire net by far we have a bunch of non Sau posters here.

You mentioned a few posts back for "SU to prove you wrong", I simply noted respectively might I add that SU doesn't need to prove anything their history speaks for itself. Your acting like I just absolutely trashed you and your work which couldn't be further from the truth. If I went to the Hopkins thread on fanlax and said hey I'm not sure you deserve a top end seed based on the eye test but hey prove me wrong I suspect I might get just a tad amount of push back.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Forgive my ignorance, is there any chance Cuse gets a home game Mother’s Day weekend for the 1st round?

Yes it's pretty much a lock

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Forgive my ignorance, is there any chance Cuse gets a home game Mother’s Day weekend for the 1st round?

Plan on 7:00 or 7:30 PM Sunday.

 

[Zack80]

Preseason polls are a very strong indicator in general of how much talent there is on a team. I think they are in many ways useless because they "poison" a season, but they reflect with decent correlation how things are actually going to go.

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I think 4 of those 8 teams who were "on paper" before the season better than Syracuse... are actually better than Syracuse. I absolutely can answer which ones I think are better and why, but I am not here to answer that. It only ever got brought up in the first place because of a misunderstanding and then my trying to show why it was not in Syracuse's interests that we suddenly go to subjective selection! It's clear that there was a misunderstanding, and that I do not want to talk about it any further. It's not why I'm here. It's not my area of expertise. It's not how I think we should be doing things.

I don't feel that preseason polls are really that good an indicator of the talent on the teams. In general, I don't know that I respect a large number of the voters on the media poll that much, many of them seem to have a lot of prejudices.

 

[orange79]

Unfortunately, I now understand why Patrick Stevens does not answer questions or explain his selection/seeding decisions any further than he does in his own articles. He controls his own narrative thread, and it's how it is.

I think it's best that I take his approach from now on.

My primary complaint with sports fans in general is that they are too biased. It was my fault for ever coming into a place that is so non-neutral that it is advertised directly in the URL. I guess that I was just so excited to see stuff that I had worked really hard on being discussed here, and I thought that I could jump in and help.

I have enjoyed interacting with quite a few people here over the years. It's clear that my time here has run its course. This is not the place to have discussions about brackets. There is a place for everything, and this is not the place for that for anyone but Syracuse fans. This is a place to flail passionately between thinking the sky is falling and that it's our year for sure - the passions of a fandom on full display. That’s great, I'm glad there is a place for that.

There are two or three other people who frequently post in this thread who have a very strong understanding of how this stuff works, and I expect that they can continue to be a good resource for this board on this topic and they can even deliver it from an inherently pro-Syracuse perspective! Win, win.

In the future, I will be in the correct place to discuss this stuff, anyone who wants to talk to me for some reason, find me there, and maybe we can talk.

I, for one, would prefer it if you don't leave. Reading the posts and not being one of the back and forth posters, I think you and Jeremy were, in part, talking past one another.

But to be fair, Jeremy only asked you to name the teams you would put ahead of Syracuse in the eye test, and for some reason you wouldn't. And that's fine. He asked again and you acted as if he wasn't appreciative of your work. He can speak for himself, but I don't think that's true.

Stay around. The tournament should be fun.

 

[fieldystick]

I, for one, would prefer it if you don't leave. Reading the posts and not being one of the back and forth posters, I think you and Jeremy were, in part, talking past one another.

But to be fair, Jeremy only asked you to name the teams you would put ahead of Syracuse in the eye test, and for some reason you wouldn't. And that's fine. He asked again and you acted as if he wasn't appreciative of your work. He can speak for himself, but I don't think that's true.

Last post here forever. I promise.

The issue is that the only reason it ever got brought up in the first place was a misunderstanding. The two people consistently making brackets this season have Syracuse seeded 3rd based on objective data. Those same two people think Syracuse is either the 5th or 6th best team based on their subjective opinion. Stevens and I are not the committee, but if we were/we are representative of the actual committee, it is not in Syracuse's interests for this to be a subjectively chosen and seeded bracket, period.

The issue is that we established: 1) there was a misunderstanding, 2) my subjective opinion of Syracuse was only ever brought up because this misunderstanding 3) I do not want to discuss my subjective evaluation of teams any further because it is irrelevant. I said both parts of this multiple times. 4) Jeremy does not actually care what I think subjectively of Syracuse (said as much), because as I said it's irrelevant, 5) despite my continued pleas to let's move on, I am still being asked who I could possibly think is subjectively better than Syracuse besides Notre Dame, despite that this absolutely does not matter to the topic of this thread. (I am no one special, and it is outside my realm of expertise)
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I don't really care whether Jeremy or anyone else is appreciative of my work or not. I am proud of my bracket work, and that's what matters to me. I do it for myself, because in theory I "like" doing them.
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I have been putting probably 30-50 hours per week into watching games, doing evaluations, making brackets, discussing, answering questions since February. I do this in my free time. No one has ever or likely will ever pay me a dollar for doing this, and I do not want them to.

I started doing this years ago because I wanted to do it, see if I could apply the stuff that I had learned in college to this, and then it eventually turned into I wanted to see how good I could get at doing this stuff. "Maybe one day, I could be the best at this stuff, who knows?" I thought.

I am tired. I am really, really tired. I have been tired for 2+ weeks now in a way that I have not been since college. No matter how long I sleep at night, I have been waking up just absolutely out of gas the next day. This evening should have been a quiet one ahead of the busiest four days of the season. I barely ate dinner tonight because of what was going on here. I am still dealing with this now. At some point, I have to do what is best for myself/my health and withdraw from here. This is not the right environment for me to be having these discussions in. There is a place for everything. This is not that place.
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If anyone thinks my brackets are useful, you know where to find them. And I'm glad they are helpful to you. If you have questions, we can maybe discuss those in the appropriate place.

If anyone thinks my brackets aren't worthy of being something to even use as toilet paper, sorry you feel that way and for wasting a little bit of your time that you spent looking at it, but maybe it will give you a nice clean wipe the next time you go.

 

[FloridaCuse]

Plan on 7:00 or 7:30 PM Sunday.

7:30pm per the ESPNU schedule. Games scheduled for Saturday and Sunday at Noon, 2:30pm, 5pm & 7:30pm.

 

[JeremyCuse]

I, for one, would prefer it if you don't leave. Reading the posts and not being one of the back and forth posters, I think you and Jeremy were, in part, talking past one another.

But to be fair, Jeremy only asked you to name the teams you would put ahead of Syracuse in the eye test, and for some reason you wouldn't. And that's fine. He asked again and you acted as if he wasn't appreciative of your work. He can speak for himself, but I don't think that's true.

Stay around. The tournament should be fun.

As usual you nailed it, zero issue with his work, think he does a really good job I didn't think our discussion had anything to do with his brackets or work at all to be honest.

As for the four teams your correct, was actually curious who he thought was better, I probably would have agreed with at least half as I don't think SU is the #2 overall team I the country not sure any SU fan does honestly.

Thought we were having a Normal back and forth it's what we do here, lol.

 

[FloridaCuse]

Last post here forever. I promise.

The issue is that the only reason it ever got brought up in the first place was a misunderstanding. The two people consistently making brackets this season have Syracuse seeded 3rd based on objective data. Those same two people think Syracuse is either the 5th or 6th best team based on their subjective opinion. Stevens and I are not the committee, but if we were/we are representative of the actual committee, it is not in Syracuse's interests for this to be a subjectively chosen and seeded bracket, period.

The issue is that we established: 1) there was a misunderstanding, 2) my subjective opinion of Syracuse was only ever brought up because this understanding 3) I do not want to discuss my subjective evaluation of teams any further because it is irrelevant. I said both parts of this multiple times. 4) Jeremy does not actually care what I think subjectively of Syracuse (said as much), because as I said it's irrelevant, 5) despite my continued pleas to let's move on, I am still being asked who I could possibly think is subjectively better than Syracuse besides Notre Dame, despite that he does not actually care what my opinion is on this matter (I am no one special, and it is outside my realm of expertise)
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I don't really care whether Jeremy or anyone else is appreciative of my work or not. I am proud of my bracket work, and that's what matters to me. I do it for myself, because in theory I "like" doing them.
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I have been putting probably 30-50 hours per week into watching games, doing evaluations, making brackets, discussing, answering questions since February. I do this in my free time. No one has ever or likely will ever pay me a dollar for doing this, and I do not want them to.

I am tired. I am really, really tired. I have been tired for 2+ weeks now in a way that I have not been since college. No matter how long I sleep at night, I have been waking up just absolutely out of gas the next day. This evening should have been a quiet one ahead of the busiest four days of the year. I barely ate dinner tonight because of what was going on here. I am still dealing with this now. At some point, I have to do what is best for myself/my health and withdraw from here. This is not the right environment for me to be having these discussions in. There is a place for everything. This is not that place.
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If anyone thinks my brackets are useful, you know where to find them. And I'm glad they are helpful to you. If you have questions, we can maybe discuss those in the appropriate place.

If anyone thinks my brackets aren't worthy of being something to even use as toilet paper, sorry you feel that way and for wasting a little bit of your time that you spent looking at it, but maybe it will give you a nice clean wipe the next time you go.

I am very sorry that you are withdrawing from this site. I totally understand and get you being strung out from the great amount of time and effort you have put into your work. I, and I am sure others, wish you all the best with your continuing efforts to educate the college lacrosse community. I enjoy reading what your write and will continue to follow and read you on Twitter/X. If after you've gotten some sleep and rejunivate yourself I hope you will at some point rejoin us and let today/tonight's exchange of posts be in the past. Wishing you all the best!

 

[orange79]

If anyone thinks my brackets aren't worthy of being something to even use as toilet paper, sorry you feel that way and for wasting a little bit of your time that you spent looking at it, but maybe it will give you a nice clean wipe the next time you go.

I'm pretty sure no one here thinks that. I know I don't.

When this is all over, I hope you can get some rest. Just know you are appreciated here. I hope you come back. Seriously.

Be well!

 

[JeremyCuse]

I'm pretty sure no one here thinks that. I know I don't.

When this is all over, I hope you can get some rest. Just know you are appreciated here. I hope you come back. Seriously.

Be well!

I'm also going to try and nip this here but maybe after a good night's sleep he will reconsider and come back, I thought it was a pretty innocuous back and forth and as I noted previously zero issue with his work and our discussion wasn't about his bracket.

I will note in my defense that his last post is referencing a discussion that I wasn't aware we were having I Never insinuated or said I didn't think anyone besides ND could or should Subjectively be ahead of SU. I simply noted that based on wins and the subjective factors that I thought SU matched up with everyone but ND. I can't explain what I feel is an over the top reaction to out discussion. Syracusefan is by far the .most welcome lax board on the web. I've had many convos with nyclax, wgdsr, our Maryland friends and more. Again no ill will it's a message board, a back and forth is what it's all about