Class of 2016 7 Baylor recruits Request Release from 2016 NLI

[Ottoble]

Repost from 'Problem at Baylor continues to smell' thread. Needs to be noted here, because of potential impact, wish it was for better reasons.

7 kids from 2016 class have asked out of their NLI

Sources: 7 Baylor recruits ask out from NLIs

Ottoble:
Not to be crass but we want these guys released from their NLI. We're one of the few P5 programs still having open slots and we run the same system on both sides of the ball. I feel gross for typing this but this is how programs are built in this claw to the top buisness of CFB.

Ever wonder if the freeze option would have worked with Ray Rice? Any run play would have worked. Ever wonder if Ray Rice would have been a better person? Give these guys an opportunity in a better (God I hope so) environment.

 

[texascpa]

Not sure why you feel gross. These guys had nothing to do with the issues at Baylor. Several have said, along with their parents, that if they knew then what they knew now they would have never committed to Baylor. In fact, one mom stated Briles never mentioned the investigation or prior issues. Who knows where these kids would have gone if they had known the truth. Probably not SU, but I bet we would have been involved or at least offered several of them.

 

[CuseLegacy]

Unless more of the SU current players leave there are only two scholarships openings left. Baylor has 30 days to release these kids and the if they don't the kids have to go through an appeal process if they still want out of their NLI. Most of these kids are going to end up, if released or they transfer, at schools that were wooing them before this mess.

 

[Whitey23]

Posted this on this other board but it fits here too

 

[bnoro]

I'm about 95% sure the scholarships we have are essentially accounted for, so I can't see us pursuing anyone here.

 

[Ky Je]

Repost from 'Problem at Baylor continues to smell' thread. Needs to be noted here, because of potential impact, wish it was for better reasons.



Ottoble:
Not to be crass but we want these guys released from their NLI. We're one of the few P5 programs still having open slots and we run the same system on both sides of the ball. I feel gross for typing this but this is how programs are built in this claw to the top buisness of CFB.

Ever wonder if the freeze option would have worked with Ray Rice? Any run play would have worked. Ever wonder if Ray Rice would have been a better person? Give these guys an opportunity in a better (God I hope so) environment.

I don't know if crafting RR personality around one bad drunken night in casino is really appropriate. I remember reading stories about him back in Baltimore spending hours at children's hospitals and that was after the media had already left. To be honest I don't think I've ever read anything negative, inside or outside of the locker room, about him until that night in AC.

Did Dino recruit any of theses kids before becoming our HC?

 

[bnoro]

I don't know if crafting RR personality around one bad drunken night in casino is really appropriate. I remember reading stories about him back in Baltimore spending hours at children's hospitals and that was after the media had already left. To be honest I don't think I've ever read anything negative, inside or outside of the locker room, about him until that night in AC.

Did Dino recruit any of theses kids before becoming our HC?

yeah, knocking your wife unconscious in an elevator definitely shouldn't define him as a person... sigh.

 

[Ky Je]

yeah, knocking your wife unconscious in an elevator definitely shouldn't define him as a person... sigh.

My point is that it seems like it was a very isolated incident, nothing I've read has insinuated that he has anger control/temperament issues or a bad personality. More importantly I was replaying to a specific question about RR turning out better if he went to Cuse. I don't think his college location would've affected that night, mostly because he didn't see to be his normal self. Granted I'm not hounding down articles on RR, but from what I have read he seems to be more then a stand up human being. If anything his situation is a microcosm of the greater issue in America, take the cop from Ferguson as an example. From what I also read he was very active in the community, helped with youth basketball, and one person says he racists who executed his friend and the nation runs with it. Now the guy who seemed to be the type of cop you want in that community had to restart his life and most likely won't be able to be hired as a cop elsewhere because of perception. Yea, I agree its not a perfect example because RR did knock out his wife. In the end I'd take RR's personality over a Hardy's any day of the week and twice on twice on Sundays.

 

[cuseinchina]

My point is that it seems like it was a very isolated incident, nothing I've read has insinuated that he has anger control/temperament issues or a bad personality. More importantly I was replaying to a specific question about RR turning out better if he went to Cuse. I don't think his college location would've affected that night, mostly because he didn't see to be his normal self. Granted I'm not hounding down articles on RR, but from what I have read he seems to be more then a stand up human being. If anything his situation is a microcosm of the greater issue in America, take the cop from Ferguson as an example. From what I also read he was very active in the community, helped with youth basketball, and one person says he racists who executed his friend and the nation runs with it. Now the guy who seemed to be the type of cop you want in that community had to restart his life and most likely won't be able to be hired as a cop elsewhere because of perception. Yea, I agree its not a perfect example because RR did knock out his wife. In the end I'd take RR's personality over a Hardy's any day of the week and twice on twice on Sundays.

I'm not sure how you can say that having seen the video. That's not a 'first time' instance of abuse. Abuse starts in small ways, first psychological manipulation and control, then maybe gets a little physical. The offender pushes the limit based on what is tolerated (victim keeps coming back so that tells the abuser he or she can keep going). That level of violence is not something a one-time offender would approach.

 

[Ky Je]

I'm not sure how you can say that having seen the video. That's not a 'first time' instance of abuse. Abuse starts in small ways, first psychological manipulation and control, then maybe gets a little physical. The offender pushes the limit based on what is tolerated (victim keeps coming back so that tells the abuser he or she can keep going). That level of violence is not something a one-time offender would approach.

How do you know without certainty it wasn't a first time instance? It seems that it's a major outlier from his normal personality. I've worn similar shoes while partying in Vegas, granted the girl jumped on my back while I was dealing with two guys who started a fight with me. I'm sure the video looked very badly also, but I've never hit a woman before or after that night.

 

[bnoro]

How do you know without certainty it wasn't a first time instance? It seems that it's a major outlier from his normal personality. I've worn similar shoes while partying in Vegas, granted the girl jumped on my back while I was dealing with two guys who started a fight with me. I'm sure the video looked very badly also, but I've never hit a woman before or after that night.

Yeah except the girl who jumped on your back probably wasn't your wife. If you've knocked your wife unconscious in an elevator, you've probably hit her before.

 

[CuseLegacy]

My point is that it seems like it was a very isolated incident, nothing I've read has insinuated that he has anger control/temperament issues or a bad personality. More importantly I was replaying to a specific question about RR turning out better if he went to Cuse. I don't think his college location would've affected that night, mostly because he didn't see to be his normal self. Granted I'm not hounding down articles on RR, but from what I have read he seems to be more then a stand up human being. If anything his situation is a microcosm of the greater issue in America, take the cop from Ferguson as an example. From what I also read he was very active in the community, helped with youth basketball, and one person says he racists who executed his friend and the nation runs with it. Now the guy who seemed to be the type of cop you want in that community had to restart his life and most likely won't be able to be hired as a cop elsewhere because of perception. Yea, I agree its not a perfect example because RR did knock out his wife. In the end I'd take RR's personality over a Hardy's any day of the week and twice on twice on Sundays.

A stand up human being doesn't knock his wife unconscious and then drag her across the floor out of the elevator. Abuse is abuse whether or not it his first time or 100th time of abusing her.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

A stand up human being doesn't knock his wife unconscious and then drag her across the floor out of the elevator. Abuse is abuse whether or not it his first time or 100th time of abusing her.

An otherwise good person can have an incredibly bad moment that even they cannot fathom how it came to be.
The act was despicable and vile. It doesn't mean he is unworthy or unredeemable.

 

[orangefog]

You're not going to win too many arguments defending a dude that knocked his wife out and dragged her to the hotel room. My parents used to talk about "knock down drag out" arguments. I never really understood the term until the whole Ray Rice thing.

 

[DoctorBombay]

How do you know without certainty it wasn't a first time instance? It seems that it's a major outlier from his normal personality. I've worn similar shoes while partying in Vegas, granted the girl jumped on my back while I was dealing with two guys who started a fight with me. I'm sure the video looked very badly also, but I've never hit a woman before or after that night.

You've got to be kidding with this. Granted RR might've been a "great" guy who did alot in the community, etc.- but so are alot of abusers, both past & present.
No one knows what goes on behind closed doors between husband and wife, but that picture-perfect left hook ( as if thrown at another man), and the nonchalant follow-up of "dragging" his wife off the elevator by her hair, smells of familiarity, IMO. That didn't look like his first "abuse Rodeo", if you will. I believe his wife confirmed that it wasn't the first time either.

 

[retro44]

Hell, half the country worships the ground Bill walks on...

 

[CuseLegacy]

An otherwise good person can have an incredibly bad moment that even they cannot fathom how it came to be.
The act was despicable and vile. It doesn't mean he is unworthy or unredeemable.

I didn't say he wasn't redeemable. But his actions weren't those of an upstanding individual, which is what the poster stated.
From what we all saw that is an abusive relationship and they both need to seek help.

 

[alphaorange]

How do you know without certainty it wasn't a first time instance? It seems that it's a major outlier from his normal personality. I've worn similar shoes while partying in Vegas, granted the girl jumped on my back while I was dealing with two guys who started a fight with me. I'm sure the video looked very badly also, but I've never hit a woman before or after that night.

Seriously? You think the two incidents are similar? Have you not seen the video? Man...your mom must be so proud of you.

 

[Janner]

Well this thread took quite the turn, its going no where good fast right now, might want to lock it down or move it to a board where potential recruits cant read it