SWC75
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It occurred to me that with a new basketball season beginning I could do an “Against Ranked Teams” post for this sport, too. The margins of victory are similar to football. The formula is to first give each team that plays a ranked team from 1-25 points based on the ranking (I’ll use the writer’s poll) of their opponent. This chart shows you how many points they’d get for playing each team ranked at a certain level , (the ranking is first, the points, second):
1-25, 2-24, 3-23, 4-22, 5-21, 6-20, 7-19, 8-18, 9-17, 10-16, 11-15, 12-14, 13-13, 14-12, 15-11, 16-10, 17-9, 18-8, 19-7, 20-6, 21-5, 22-4, 23-3, 24-2, 25-1
I’ll call those “schedule points”. Then you look at the point differential in the game and apply it to the schedule points. If a team loses to the #1 ranked team by 10 points. They’d wind up with 15 points: 25 schedule points minus the ten points they lost by. If a team beats the #10 team by 5 points, they’d get 21 points: 16 schedule points plus the 5 points they won by. If a team lost to the #20 team by 6 points, they’d get nothing. The margin of defeat would cancel out their schedule points. If a team lost to the #25 team by 3 points, they get a zero. You can’t have negative points. You just failed in an attempt to get positive points.
I’ll figure the points based on games over the past week every Sunday and post them, along with cumulative season standings, just as I have done for football. As I said on that post, this is less a way of ranking than it is simply something you might want to look at in ranking them – or selecting them for a tournament. I recognize that rankings will change over the course of the season. I’m making the assumption that teams are worthy of the ranking they have at the time another team plays them. That may not always be true but a subsequent ranking may just reflect how good or bad a team has become since the game in question: they may have been as good as their ranking at the time.
WEEK FIFTEEN
North Carolina beat #14 Virginia 65-41 = 36 points
Texas Tech beat #4 Baylor 84-78 = 28 points
Kansas beat #4 Baylor 67-65 = 26 points
Northwestern beat #7 Wisconsin 66-59 = 26 points
Southern Methodist beat #11 Cincinnati 60-51= 24 points
Duke beat #14 Virginia 65-55 = 22 points
Baylor lost to #3 Kansas 65-67 = 21 points
Kansas beat #9 West Virginia 84-80 = 21 points
Michigan beat #11 Wisconsin 64-58 = 21 points
West Virginia lost to #3 Kansas 80-84 = 21 points
Virginia Tech beat #12 Virginia 80-78 = 16 points
Syracuse lost to #8 Louisville 72-76 = 14 points
Virginia Tech lost to #8 Louisville 90-94 = 14 points
Vanderbilt beat #21 South Carolina 71-62 = 14 points
Seton Hall beat #20 Creighton 87-81 = 13 points
Washington lost to #5 Arizona 68-76 = 13 points
Arkansas beat #21 South Carolina 83-76 = 12 points
DePaul lost to #2 Villanova 62-75 = 11 points
Wake Forest lost to #12 Duke 94-99 = 9 points
Georgia lost to #13 Kentucky 77-82 = 8 points
Texas Tech lost to #9 West Virginia 74-83 = 8 points
Mississippi State #15 Florida 52-57 = 6 points
Virginia lost to #12 Duke 55-65 = 4 points
Pacific lost to #1 Gonzaga 61-82 = 3 points
Seton Hall lost to #2 Villanova 70-92 = 2 points
Tulane lost to #19 Southern Methodist 75-80 = 2 points
Washington State lost to #2 Arizona 59-78 = 2 points
Utah lost to #7 Oregon 61-79 = 1 point
Comments: We got another 14 points to move to 65. I still think we need some more and at least some of them need to come from a win. North Carolina sure looked against Virginia. The not only joined the 100 point club but moved just behind the Cavs into fifth place. They also made Virginia look bad, which doesn’t help us. The Cavs had a terrible week with three losses and got only 4 points out them. . Baylor also had a bad week with two losses but still picked up 21 points off the Kansas game to remain in first place. Kansas had the best week. They not only broke the 100 barrier but pushed on to second place. Duke also joined the club and they are coming on strong right now. Texas Tech just made it above the same barrier. The ACC may be the strongest conference top to bottom but the Big Twelve is looking good at the top. Of course, they play each other and that feeds their totals. But they did well in the pre-conference season.
Cumulative Totals
(I’ve decided to expand my Top 25 to a Top 68 plus any t ie at the end, (not that a team’s record vs. ranked teams will be the only criteria), to list them in pods of 4 rather than 5 and to put the teams we have played or will play in bold.)
Baylor 157 points
Kansas 142 points
West Virginia 136 points
Virginia 126 points
North Carolina 125 points
Louisville 119 points
Florida State 116 points
Duke 115 points
Butler 114 points
Kentucky 113 points
Villanova 108 points
Kansas State 106 points
Oregon 104 points
Texas Tech 101 points
Creighton 97 points
Georgetown 92 points
Notre Dame 91 points
Georgia Tech 87 points
Indiana 84 points
Iowa State 81 points
Marquette 75 points
Gonzaga 68 points
Arizona 67 points
Purdue 67 points
Virginia Tech 66 points
Syracuse 65 points
Oklahoma State 63 points
Florida 60 points
Utah 60 points
Colorado 59 points
South Carolina 54 points
UCLA 54 points
Miami (Florida) 51 points
Tennessee 50 points
Nebraska 48 points
Pittsburgh 47 points
Oklahoma 46 points
Providence 46 points
DePaul 45 points
North Carolina State 42 points
Southern California 41 points
St. John’s 38 points
Seton Hall 38 points
California (Berkley) 37 points
Ohio State 36 points
Texas 36 points
Wisconsin 36 points
Xavier 35 points
Texas Christian 34 points
Wake Forest 34 points
Clemson 33 points
Georgia 32 points
Michigan 32 points
Minnesota 31 points
Iowa 29 points
Michigan State 29 points
Penn State 28 points
Texas-Arlington 28 points
Fort Wayne 26 points
Northwestern 26 points
Southern Methodist 26 points
Mississippi 23 points
Mississippi State 23 points
Vanderbilt 23 points
Rhode Island 22 points
Washington 21 points
Central Florida 18 points
Cincinnati 18 points
1-25, 2-24, 3-23, 4-22, 5-21, 6-20, 7-19, 8-18, 9-17, 10-16, 11-15, 12-14, 13-13, 14-12, 15-11, 16-10, 17-9, 18-8, 19-7, 20-6, 21-5, 22-4, 23-3, 24-2, 25-1
I’ll call those “schedule points”. Then you look at the point differential in the game and apply it to the schedule points. If a team loses to the #1 ranked team by 10 points. They’d wind up with 15 points: 25 schedule points minus the ten points they lost by. If a team beats the #10 team by 5 points, they’d get 21 points: 16 schedule points plus the 5 points they won by. If a team lost to the #20 team by 6 points, they’d get nothing. The margin of defeat would cancel out their schedule points. If a team lost to the #25 team by 3 points, they get a zero. You can’t have negative points. You just failed in an attempt to get positive points.
I’ll figure the points based on games over the past week every Sunday and post them, along with cumulative season standings, just as I have done for football. As I said on that post, this is less a way of ranking than it is simply something you might want to look at in ranking them – or selecting them for a tournament. I recognize that rankings will change over the course of the season. I’m making the assumption that teams are worthy of the ranking they have at the time another team plays them. That may not always be true but a subsequent ranking may just reflect how good or bad a team has become since the game in question: they may have been as good as their ranking at the time.
WEEK FIFTEEN
North Carolina beat #14 Virginia 65-41 = 36 points
Texas Tech beat #4 Baylor 84-78 = 28 points
Kansas beat #4 Baylor 67-65 = 26 points
Northwestern beat #7 Wisconsin 66-59 = 26 points
Southern Methodist beat #11 Cincinnati 60-51= 24 points
Duke beat #14 Virginia 65-55 = 22 points
Baylor lost to #3 Kansas 65-67 = 21 points
Kansas beat #9 West Virginia 84-80 = 21 points
Michigan beat #11 Wisconsin 64-58 = 21 points
West Virginia lost to #3 Kansas 80-84 = 21 points
Virginia Tech beat #12 Virginia 80-78 = 16 points
Syracuse lost to #8 Louisville 72-76 = 14 points
Virginia Tech lost to #8 Louisville 90-94 = 14 points
Vanderbilt beat #21 South Carolina 71-62 = 14 points
Seton Hall beat #20 Creighton 87-81 = 13 points
Washington lost to #5 Arizona 68-76 = 13 points
Arkansas beat #21 South Carolina 83-76 = 12 points
DePaul lost to #2 Villanova 62-75 = 11 points
Wake Forest lost to #12 Duke 94-99 = 9 points
Georgia lost to #13 Kentucky 77-82 = 8 points
Texas Tech lost to #9 West Virginia 74-83 = 8 points
Mississippi State #15 Florida 52-57 = 6 points
Virginia lost to #12 Duke 55-65 = 4 points
Pacific lost to #1 Gonzaga 61-82 = 3 points
Seton Hall lost to #2 Villanova 70-92 = 2 points
Tulane lost to #19 Southern Methodist 75-80 = 2 points
Washington State lost to #2 Arizona 59-78 = 2 points
Utah lost to #7 Oregon 61-79 = 1 point
Comments: We got another 14 points to move to 65. I still think we need some more and at least some of them need to come from a win. North Carolina sure looked against Virginia. The not only joined the 100 point club but moved just behind the Cavs into fifth place. They also made Virginia look bad, which doesn’t help us. The Cavs had a terrible week with three losses and got only 4 points out them. . Baylor also had a bad week with two losses but still picked up 21 points off the Kansas game to remain in first place. Kansas had the best week. They not only broke the 100 barrier but pushed on to second place. Duke also joined the club and they are coming on strong right now. Texas Tech just made it above the same barrier. The ACC may be the strongest conference top to bottom but the Big Twelve is looking good at the top. Of course, they play each other and that feeds their totals. But they did well in the pre-conference season.
Cumulative Totals
(I’ve decided to expand my Top 25 to a Top 68 plus any t ie at the end, (not that a team’s record vs. ranked teams will be the only criteria), to list them in pods of 4 rather than 5 and to put the teams we have played or will play in bold.)
Baylor 157 points
Kansas 142 points
West Virginia 136 points
Virginia 126 points
North Carolina 125 points
Louisville 119 points
Florida State 116 points
Duke 115 points
Butler 114 points
Kentucky 113 points
Villanova 108 points
Kansas State 106 points
Oregon 104 points
Texas Tech 101 points
Creighton 97 points
Georgetown 92 points
Notre Dame 91 points
Georgia Tech 87 points
Indiana 84 points
Iowa State 81 points
Marquette 75 points
Gonzaga 68 points
Arizona 67 points
Purdue 67 points
Virginia Tech 66 points
Syracuse 65 points
Oklahoma State 63 points
Florida 60 points
Utah 60 points
Colorado 59 points
South Carolina 54 points
UCLA 54 points
Miami (Florida) 51 points
Tennessee 50 points
Nebraska 48 points
Pittsburgh 47 points
Oklahoma 46 points
Providence 46 points
DePaul 45 points
North Carolina State 42 points
Southern California 41 points
St. John’s 38 points
Seton Hall 38 points
California (Berkley) 37 points
Ohio State 36 points
Texas 36 points
Wisconsin 36 points
Xavier 35 points
Texas Christian 34 points
Wake Forest 34 points
Clemson 33 points
Georgia 32 points
Michigan 32 points
Minnesota 31 points
Iowa 29 points
Michigan State 29 points
Penn State 28 points
Texas-Arlington 28 points
Fort Wayne 26 points
Northwestern 26 points
Southern Methodist 26 points
Mississippi 23 points
Mississippi State 23 points
Vanderbilt 23 points
Rhode Island 22 points
Washington 21 points
Central Florida 18 points
Cincinnati 18 points
