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An objective look at our offensive issues [long]

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Last night was brutal—absolutely brutal. Terrible performance on both sides of the ball. I’m generally a serial optimist, so the purpose of this post is not to gripe about the loss, but rather to focus on some of the root causes of what went wrong. I’m not trying to be pessimistic / overly negative, but rather objective about where our team stands, and where each player is on their respective developmental curve. I still believe that this team has a lot of potential, but there are a LOT of things that need to get fixed in order for this team to bounce back and qualify for the NCAAs. In no particular order…

  • The fallacy of Rak as a go-to scorer: 10 and 10. Those are the benchmark goals for Rakim Christmas this year. And with the expanded offense he’s shown, he is more than capable of attaining double figures scoring for the first time in his career. He’s actually got better offensive skills than most give him credit for, and as we saw in the first two games—he’s got a different mindset this year. But IMO, the mindset change is part of the problem. Despite what JB says about Rak being a “go to” guy this season, Rak isn’t capable of producing in that role. He took it to heart, and is forcing shots up. That’s not to say that he can’t exceed the 10ppg projection I list above—he absolutely can—but Rak needs to settle down into an equilibrium of taking good shots, and not forcing every time he touches the ball. Sometimes, he starts to make his move too far away from the basket. He also took several contested jump shots. He also needs to do a better job getting the ball out of the post when double teams are coming instead of trying to just bull his way through the double team to force up a highly contested shot. And we simply can't afford to have him picking up offensive fouls on ill-advised scoring attempts, when he's our only legitimate pivot right now. Once he eliminates this type of bad shot selection from his play and settles in as a consistent role player / complimentary scorer, he’ll challenge for all ACC. But if he continues to try to get 15+ shots per game, the team is going to suffer. Rak needs to concentrate on taking good shots, and not trying to do too much. Less will be counter-intuitively more with him when it comes to offense. I’m actually quite confident he’ll get there.
  • The team offensive concept is non-existent: Yesterday proved without a shadow of a doubt that this is true. We have zero—ZERO—cohesion on offense right now. Everything is one-on-one, with virtually nothing coming from our offensive sets [which we abandoned running about 3 minutes into the game]. Too much forcing, too much trying to make something happen too quickly, not enough patience offensively, too many new faces trying to do too much on their own. Our PG is doing an extremely poor job right now of executing our half court offensive sets—which is exacerbating all of the issues mentioned above. Until Joseph starts to orchestrate the half court offense, this team is going to continue to struggle. And where is our passing? We don't accumulate very many assists--everything is one-on-one. Now compare that to the outstanding team passing Cal demonstrated last night. We have to start playing together to right the ship. Our offensive issues are as much about poor execution as it is about inexperience right now.
  • Roles are still undefined: This problem manifests every year early on—every year teams have attrition, younger players step into bigger roles, and new freshmen get integrated into the rotation, and everybody has to figure out where things fit offensively. Once they do, the offense begins to run more smoothly. The problem is, we lost a LOT of scoring from last year, and we have an inordinate amount of new faces, most of whom are entirely inexperienced [even the sophomores]. Right now, every time a player like Patterson or BJ touches the ball, they want to shoot. Their roles might look different come mid-season, but right now this goes hand in hand with the lack of team offensive concept issue discussed above—and we need to get this straightened out so that our offensive play improves.
  • We don’t shoot the ball well collectively… again…: Last year’s team couldn’t have been more anemic offensively. And a big reason for that was the inconsistency of the few shooters that the team did have—prompting many posters to express the belief that we had nowhere to go but up. And on paper, they’re right. This year’s squad has several players who, on paper, can shoot the ball effectively. Cooney. Gbinije. Patterson. BJ. Joseph. And even McCullough / Roberson. All capable of hitting shots from 17 feet out to the three point line. The only problem is, not one of these guys has been consistent in our first several games. This has to change.
  • McCullough isn’t quite as good as advertised: But he’s still pretty good. I think that his main issue is lack of strength, and lack of inclination to battle inside. He’s got all of the tools, and a pretty good frame for an incoming frosh. He’s got a lithe, wiry build—I didn’t expect him to come in and be a bruiser like JR Reid, and we all know that in 3 years he’s going to be a 240 pound brick sh-t house. But right now, he’s too finesse-oriented. I love the kid’s jumper. But when he gets pushed around inside, he starts to float toward the perimeter where he can get open easier. He’s also dribbling too much. He’d be better off getting into the box and scrumming inside. Work the glass harder, and get easier scoring opportunities closer to the basket, or get fouled and get to the free throw line. Start closer, then take jumpers if the opportunity presents itself. But I don’t think he’s quite good enough to put the team on his back and be the focal point of the offense—especially not if he drifts around on the wing instead of getting down in the paint where we need him [especially on the offensive boards]. And that’s not just an indictment of McCullough—the entire team needs to toughen up and play meaner, giving better effort both on the glass and defensively.
  • Kaleb Joseph: It’s time for the Joseph one-and-done chatter to stop. I want to be clear—I love this kid’s game and his potential. I 100% believe that he is going to be an NBA player. But he isn’t anywhere close to being ready to make the jump this year. That's good news for next season, but it complicates things this year--given how reliant upon him we are to provide quality lead guard play. He’s got the raw ability, but right now he seems to demonstrate very little of the acumen needed to run a team and orchestrate an effective offensive attack. Too much dribbling out high. Yes, he looks to feed the post, which is good, but he needs to do more. Very little drive and dish. His strength is penetration, so get into the lane, let the defense react to what you’re doing, and set up your teammates for easy scores. The game seems to be moving a little too fast for him right now, and he’s so out of synch that his offensive game is suffering. It also doesn’t help that he’s settling for jumpers. Mark my words—Joseph is going to be very, very good. But we need him to start playing more like a point guard.
  • Trevor Cooney: I really like Cooney, but I’m tired of the inconsistency. He’s like the second coming of McNamara—volume shooter who can get on a roll, but doesn’t seem to have those nights very often, and is off more than he’s on. Cooney would be great on a team with three other quality scorers, where he is more of a complimentary weapon who gets lots of open looks. He doesn’t create much if he isn’t shooting well, although I’m pleased to see him taking it to the basket more in the last two games. We need more of that. Especially when the shot isn’t dropping. Otherwise, he’s too one dimensional.
  • Tyler Roberson: There was a point early in the first half where I thought that the switch had finally flipped for Roberson. He’d just hit a tough bank shot off glass for his first score, and then the next few trips down the floor he was handling the ball confidently, driving into the lane, etc. I honestly thought—wow, I’m seeing the light go on for this kid right before my eyes. But it was short lived, and he quickly back slid back into largely ineffectual play. I don’t mean to be hyper critical of Roberson; I think he can be a very good player for us. I like his shot, and his tenacity on the backboards. But what I’ve come to realize is that he’s playing out of position. This kid ins’t a 3, he’s an undersized power forward. Next year, if McCullough leaves, he’ll slide over to his more natural position at 4 and things will click for him. But this year, he’s just not acclimating to playing out of position, and in general has been a liability. He is thinking too much, and not playing instinctively. It has even adversely impacted his top skill—rebounding—neutralizing his effectiveness on the glass. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s replaced in the starting lineup by Gbinije, who offers the versatility / more natural 3 skill set that Roberson just isn’t showing right now.
  • Michael Gbinije: Silent G is perhaps the only player I don’t have much to criticize about. He’s been solid in all three games, and is improved over last year. I still am not convinced that he is much more than an 8-11 ppg scorer, but there’s nothing wrong with that if it ends up being the case [and I’d love for him to prove me wrong]. Unlike Roberson, Gbinije is a threat to drive to the basket. Unlike Roberson, he’s playing comfortable—which is at least partially a function of the experience he gained last year, where he looked entirely uncomfortable a lot [which is one of the reasons I expect Tyler to round into form next year, after getting a dose of PT this season]. Gbinije isn’t a dead eye shooter—nobody on this team is—but at least he’s a threat. I think it’s time to pull the trigger on this change and get him into the starting lineup. My only hesitation is whether he can hold up on the backboards playing the back end of the zone, but its not like Roberson was lighting it up on the glass, either.
  • Ron Patterson: Simply put, we need Patterson to play better. This team collectively lacks three point shooting as well as backcourt depth, and this one kid could help rectify both problems in one with more consistent play. In the first couple of outings, he looked supremely confident looking to put the ball up. Now, he’s not getting to his spots as quickly. He is also someone who can provide a defensive spark with his hustle. Maybe yesterday was just a bad outing, but he provided zero of either dimension yesterday. And this is something that has to get addressed--we’re going to need Ron to step up and replace some bench scoring if Gbinije shifts into the starting lineup. Simply put, he has to do more.
  • BJ Johnson: I don’t want to be TOO hard on Johnson, both because he’s one of my favorite players on the team and because he is really just getting his first dose of playing time these last few games. But last night was a flat out terrible outing. We all know he can shoot—but when the shot’s not dropping, find a way to get closer to the basket. Play inside out FIRST, before settling for a bunch of jump shots. And that weak drive where he got stuffed and fell down? Initiate contact and play through it, BJ—get to the foul line, don’t go up weak. This is another bench player who needs to round into form. Him [and Patterson] doing so would go a LONG way toward addressing a major team shortcoming.
  • Chinoso Obokoh: I like Obokoh’s potential as a reasonably effective back-up big, but I just don’t think he’s ready. I don’t expect him to get much time this season, based upon the substitution patterns we’ve seen thus far. Which is important because…
  • DeJuan Coleman: …it puts some pressure on this guy to improve / return as quickly as possible from his injury. The problem is, we have no idea whether he’ll be able to physically bounce back soon enough or not. I’m torn as to whether it’s better to get DCII back even at a diminished capacity—say, 80%—to rectify the lack of an experienced quality big behind Rak to address a short term need, or whether we’d be better off shutting him down for the entire year, and potentially having him back for TWO full strength seasons post-Rak. I don’t think that we’ll know where Coleman stands for at least another full month—in other words, the entire pre-season portion of the schedule.
Okay, so that’s a lot of issues. What needs to change for this team to turn the corner offensively?

  • Kaleb Joseph needs to run the half court offensive sets more effectively
  • McCullough needs to play a little closer to the basket
  • Rak needs to exercise a bit more discretion about when to shoot
  • Cooney / Patterson / BJ need to find the range
  • We need to shelve some of the one-on-one and do a better job passing the ball
  • Gbinije needs to play more and give the team a legit 3 with a 3’s skill set
  • Roberson needs to play less, unless he steps up
Will be interesting to see what the team does tonight, and whether they bounce back against a tough Iowa team that was one of the better squads in the B1G last year. Will we rise to the occasion or did we get exposed? We’ll find out in four hours.

Let’s Go Orange!!!
 
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I would like to see Patterson get more than 10 minutes. We need to use these games to find lineups that work. This isn't one of those teams where we only have 1 lineup option JB needs to give all 8 guys a chance to play together.
 
Nice write up RF. The 2 things that stuck out like a sore thumb last night was the difference in outside shooting and passing between the 2 teams. Cal was much better in both categories and kicked our butt. Fortunately, we can improve our offensive flow with time. And we have some guys that could step it up from outside. Although, our offense has not been fun to watch since the 2010 team. So my hopes are very guarded. Certainly this team more than most in recent memory has a lot of growing to do and it will be interesting (and painful at times) to watch. But I'll be rooting them on - Let's Go Orange!
 
Regarding Joseph...

Not that he plays the same kind of game, but know what his freshman season will probably wind up reminding us of? Jason Hart. Jason obviously carved out a niche in the NBA after becoming a hell of a college point guard.

I think we should probably all prepare for Kaleb Joseph to develop at about the same pace as Hart, based on early returns. And I'm 100% okay with that. Growing pains now mean he'll be around longer and be a more seasoned, smarter, physically and mentally prepared player later.
 
Regarding Joseph...

Not that he plays the same kind of game, but know what his freshman season will probably wind up reminding us of? Jason Hart. Jason obviously carved out a niche in the NBA after becoming a hell of a college point guard.

I think we should probably all prepare for Kaleb Joseph to develop at about the same pace as Hart, based on early returns. And I'm 100% okay with that. Growing pains now mean he'll be around longer and be a more seasoned, smarter, physically and mentally prepared player later.


Oof... let's hope not, because 1997 was painful--in no small part due to Hart's struggles being in a little over his head as a frosh PG on a depleted team. Obviously, Joseph is a much different player than Hart, but maybe that's not a bad comparison, in terms of the developmental curve [not in terms of the way they play]
 
Oof... let's hope not, because 1997 was painful--in no small part due to Hart's struggles being in a little over his head as a frosh PG on a depleted team. Obviously, Joseph is a much different player than Hart, but maybe that's not a bad comparison, in terms of the developmental curve [not in terms of the way they play]
I hope that '97 isn't what we're staring at, but I'm just looking at Joseph vs Hart in terms of the time frame for their development. And while I think that Joseph is going to wind up being a hell of a college PG, he's certainly looking a little over his head right now, in no small part due to the fact that he was supposed to be backing up Ennis this season.
 
nice write-up.

i disagree on McCollough though. He was our best player last night, yes even above G. He had 5 blocks i think and altered a ton more. He made a long jumper, he crashed the boards. He showed hustle and effort. He is every bit as advertised. He will be gone after this year because he will stand out on our team. he is going to average 14 points 8 boards and 3 blocks.

i also disagree on Cooney. To call him the second coming of GMac is terrible. Stats may be this or that, but most SU fans thought his jumpers were going to go in. I can not imagine any SU fan thinks that about Cooney. When he shoots, i cringe. Its sad but true.
 
1997 was certainly painful, but keep in mind that we were basically one win from being an at-large bid. We finished strong that year and if we had beat Pitt at home in the season finale, that would have almost certainly gotten us over the hump. A real testament to the unbelievable consistency of this program.
 
nice write-up.

i disagree on McCollough though. He was our best player last night, yes even above G. He had 5 blocks i think and altered a ton more. He made a long jumper, he crashed the boards. He showed hustle and effort. He is every bit as advertised. He will be gone after this year because he will stand out on our team. he is going to average 14 points 8 boards and 3 blocks.

i also disagree on Cooney. To call him the second coming of GMac is terrible. Stats may be this or that, but most SU fans thought his jumpers were going to go in. I can not imagine any SU fan thinks that about Cooney. When he shoots, i cringe. Its sad but true.

When you strip away all of the hyperbole about GMac's career, you could say much the same thing about him.

I love GMac, but his career beyond his first season [where he was a complimentary threat on a good, balanced offensive team] has been romanticized. I'm grateful as hell to him for his contributions toward the 2003 championship. And the 2007 BET run was magical. Otherwise, he often struggled.

I've met him numerous times, I'm happy he's a coach, and I rooted like hell for him as a player--but he was off just as much as he was on. The shooting percentages speak for themselves.
 
  • The team offensive concept is non-existent: Yesterday proved without a shadow of a doubt that this is true. We have zero—ZERO—cohesion on offense right now. Everything is one-on-one, with virtually nothing coming from our offensive sets [which we abandoned running about 3 minutes into the game]. Too much forcing, too much trying to make something happen too quickly, not enough patience offensively, too many new faces trying to do too much on their own. Our PG is doing an extremely poor job right now of executing our half court offensive sets—which is exacerbating all of the issues mentioned above. Until Joseph starts to orchestrate the half court offense, this team is going to continue to struggle. And where is our passing? We don't accumulate very many assists--everything is one-on-one. Now compare that to the outstanding team passing Cal demonstrated last night. We have to start playing together to right the ship. Our offensive issues are as much about poor execution as it is about inexperience right now.
I agree with much of what you posted.

We do try to go one-on-one much of the time and I am not sure there is a single player on our team who is capable to doing this against a good defender (at least not at this time). Joseph will be good, but right now he has no confidence and many times no clue as to what he should be doing or what he should be looking for. I was excited after the first few games (I know...against crappy teams), but he seemed willing to try to go at a faster pace than Ennis did last year. Right now he reminds me of a quarterback who scrambles when he should pass the ball and passes the ball when he should scramble. He slows down the pace when there are opportunities to speed it up a little bit and speeds it up when there are four guys back on defense.

  • McCullough isn’t quite as good as advertised: But he’s still pretty good. I think that his main issue is lack of strength, and lack of inclination to battle inside. He’s got all of the tools, and a pretty good frame for an incoming frosh. He’s got a lithe, wiry build—I didn’t expect him to come in and be a bruiser like JR Reid, and we all know that in 3 years he’s going to be a 240 pound brick sh-t house. But right now, he’s too finesse-oriented. I love the kid’s jumper. But when he gets pushed around inside, he starts to float toward the perimeter where he can get open easier. He’s also dribbling too much. He’d be better off getting into the box and scrumming inside. Work the glass harder, and get easier scoring opportunities closer to the basket, or get fouled and get to the free throw line. Start closer, then take jumpers if the opportunity presents itself. But I don’t think he’s quite good enough to put the team on his back and be the focal point of the offense—especially not if he drifts around on the wing instead of getting down in the paint where we need him [especially on the offensive boards]. And that’s not just an indictment of McCullough—the entire team needs to toughen up and play meaner, giving better effort both on the glass and defensively.

To me watching high school games and highlight clips of McCullough, he is about what I expected with the exception of two areas. He always reminded me of one of the big guys we seem to get who is extremely athletic, but doesn't yet understand the whole offensive end very well. Every time we get a highly ranked PF/C out of high school there are huge expectations that the player will be a star from day #1, but almost always they are unfounded. Very few PF/C come out of high school having great offensive skills, even the ones who average a ton of points in high school lack skills and dominate because they are bigger than their opponents not because they have the skills necessary to have immediate impact in college. I thought this with McCullough coming in, with the exception of two areas: I liked the way he finished, and when I type finish I am referring to dunking, at the rim and I liked the way he seemed to have fairly decent touch shooting from outside. Unfortunately, he hasn't transferred either of those strengths to the college game yet. At least 5-6 times per game I find myself wanting to yell at the TV because he tries to lay the ball in instead of dunking. If I had his height and athleticism I would be acting like Hakim Warrick as a freshman and be attempting dunks anytime I was near the paint. He also hasn't shown the willingness to take mid to long range jumpers. So for now the two areas that I thought he was head and shoulders above our PF/C recruits of recent years he isn't.

I still think we can end up being a pretty good team this year, but there are a lot of things we need to improve upon and some of them are going to take some time.
 
When you strip away all of the hyperbole about GMac's career, you could say much the same thing about him.

I love GMac, but his career beyond his first season [where he was a complimentary threat on a good, balanced offensive team] has been romanticized. I'm grateful as hell to him for his contributions toward the 2003 championship. And the 2007 BET run was magical. Otherwise, he often struggled.

I've met him numerous times, I'm happy he's a coach, and I rooted like hell for him as a player--but he was off just as much as he was on. The shooting percentages speak for themselves.

Even then though GMac is like the platonic ideal for Cooney. GMac never went on multiple game cold streaks and while his 3 percentage was never amazing, he was consistent.

Also Cooney would lose a lot of criticism if he got to and converted from the line like Gerry did.
 
Sweet, easy to read post RF. We are in for a down year it appears but credit Cal for a very good game plan and execution. They really did look like a team to be reckoned with and seem to be one big guy away from being extremely good - top 10ish. Will be interesting to see what they do with Texas tonight and even more interesting to see what we do with Iowa.
 
When you strip away all of the hyperbole about GMac's career, you could say much the same thing about him.

I love GMac, but his career beyond his first season [where he was a complimentary threat on a good, balanced offensive team] has been romanticized. I'm grateful as hell to him for his contributions toward the 2003 championship. And the 2007 BET run was magical. Otherwise, he often struggled.

I've met him numerous times, I'm happy he's a coach, and I rooted like hell for him as a player--but he was off just as much as he was on. The shooting percentages speak for themselves.

Well unfortunately for him, lucky for us, he played the point guard position for much of his latter 3 years when our PG recruits didn't work out. Edelin sadly wasn't an option much like Josh Wright ended up not being one. For playing close to 3 years out of position and not the recruited shooting guard one, I thought he did well. I often wonder how he and the team would have done those years if he had a pure point guard instead of being pretty much solely responsible for initiating, creating , distributing not only his own offense but the team's.
 
Even then though GMac is like the platonic ideal for Cooney. GMac never went on multiple game cold streaks and while his 3 percentage was never amazing, he was consistent.

Also Cooney would lose a lot of criticism if he got to and converted from the line like Gerry did.

Not trying to be arugmentative, Czar, but that just isn't accurate. GMac had lengthy stints where he was cold for multiple games--especially against the upper echelon Big East teams, who routinely bullied him. His shooting percentages were abysmal--judge for yourself

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His field goal percentage declined all four years, and was sub-.400 for three of those years [he was barely above .400 his freshmen year, at .401]. His three point shooting was generally average statistically. And while numbers don't tell the whole story, these ones demonstrate that GMac was every bit as streaky and inconsistent as I suggested above.

Now, I'll readily admit that there were mitigating factors. Namely:
  • GMac was a much better complimentary offensive player than a leading role
  • He might have been better playing off the ball, but didn't have that opportunity after the first semester of his sophomore year, after Edelin's issues arose
  • JB never recruited another complimentary shooter to help space the floor, so opposing defenses could really key on him [yeah, yeah--I know, Dnic--but he wasn't ready those first two years]
  • Over the last three years of his career, our teams got steadily worse each year
So it isn't all about GMac. I love the guy. I just think that people have selective memory about just how streaky of an offensive player he was.

Now the difference between him and Cooney is that every once in awhile, GMac would go off and bury somebody behind a barrage of big scoring. Cooney has only done that a handful of times, unlike GMac. McNamara also had some big game heroics, which Cooney has yet to replicate.
 
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Best analysis i've seen on the board yet.
Even then though GMac is like the platonic ideal for Cooney. GMac never went on multiple game cold streaks and while his 3 percentage was never amazing, he was consistent.

Also Cooney would lose a lot of criticism if he got to and converted from the line like Gerry did.

Gerry was extremely streaky. He'd go multiple games in a row going 6-20. He only shot 33% from three his senior year and 34% his junior year. I think because more and more time has gone since Gerry has played, people forget what kind of player he actually was. Everyone remembers the Big East tournament and the National Title game, big shots he hit to win games, but man he was probably the biggest chucker we have ever had at Syracuse. Gerry means a ton to our program, I know, but Andy Rautins and Eric Devendorf were better pure shooters than Gerry ever was.
 
Awesome post. You're much more knowledgeable about the game than I am but I don't think you said anything I disagree with. Usually I try to glance at every thread but my heart's just not into it today (plus I do have to fit some work in occasionally) But glad I saw this post.
 
I was actually more concerned with what I saw on the defensive end. We all knew we most likely were going to be pretty bad on defense, but I know I didn't think we would look that lost on the defensive end of the floor. I held to the hope that as bad as we are offensively (and we are pretty bad), that we could always stay in the game because of a strong defense. Last night was a mess. The rotations were slow, people were dogging it on close outs, and we weren't keeping men in front of them (Cooney).

I thought we would be able to get into the tournament on defense alone, but I am worried after last night. I want to see a much stronger effort on that end of the court, and worry about the offense later.
 
Well unfortunately for him, lucky for us, he played the point guard position for much of his latter 3 years when our PG recruits didn't work out. Edelin wasn't an option much like Josh Wright ended up not being one. For playing close to 3 years out of position and not the recruited shooting guard one, I thought he did well. I often wonder how he and the team would have done those years if he had a pure point guard instead of being pretty much solely responsible for initiating, creating , distributing not only his own offense but the team's.

Agreed. The truth of the matter is that those next few teams following 2003 season just weren't very good. They lacked shooters, size at the 3 on the back side of the line, and quality complimentary guard play [save for GMac]. The 2004 team could have really used Carmelo [or even a role playing shooter like Kueth Duany], as 3 was the weakness on that year's squad that held them back from making a deep run.

The next two years' teams were even more flawed.
 
Great Post... This is my recipe for success

1) Move Cooney to 6th Man
2) Slow down Joseph
3) Get McCullough angry
 
Agreed. The truth of the matter is that those next few teams following 2003 season just weren't very good. They lacked shooters, size at the 3 on the back side of the line, and quality complimentary guard play [save for GMac]. The 2004 team could have really used Carmelo [or even a role playing shooter like Kueth Duany], as 3 was the weakness on that year's squad that held them back from making a deep run.

The next two years' teams were even more flawed.

I still can't get over how in 2005 we lost to Vermont in the first round with all the same players we had in 2004 that went to the sweet 16. If Edelin stuck around and was was on either of those two teams I think we would of had better outcomes.
 
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Not trying to be arugmentative, Czar, but that just isn't accurate. GMac had lengthy stints where he was cold for multiple games--especially against the upper echelon Big East teams, who routinely bullied him. His shooting percentages were abysmal--judge for yourself His field goal percentage declined all four years, and was sub-.400 for three of those years [he was barely above .400 his freshmen year, at .401]. His three point shooting was generally average statistically. And while numbers don't tell the whole story, these ones demonstrate that GMac was every bit as streaky and inconsistent as I suggested above. Now, I'll readily admit that there were mitigating factors. Namely: [*]GMac was a much better complimentary offensive player than a leading role [*]He might have been better playing off the ball, but didn't have that opportunity after the first semester of his sophomore year, after Edelin's issues arose [*]JB never recruited another complimentary shooter to help space the floor, so opposing defenses could really key on him [yeah, yeah--I know, Dnic--but he wasn't ready those first two years] [*]Over the last three years of his career, our teams got steadily worse each year So it isn't all about GMac. I love the guy. I just think that people have selective memory about just how streaky of an offensive player he was. Now the difference between him and Cooney is that every once in awhile, GMac would go off and bury somebody behind a barrage of big scoring. Cooney has only done that a handful of times, unlike GMac. McNamara also had some big game heroics, which Cooney has yet to replicate.
Gmac also passed the ball to guys in a position to score. Cooney is pathetically bad in that regard
 
When you strip away all of the hyperbole about GMac's career, you could say much the same thing about him.

I love GMac, but his career beyond his first season [where he was a complimentary threat on a good, balanced offensive team] has been romanticized. I'm grateful as hell to him for his contributions toward the 2003 championship. And the 2007 BET run was magical. Otherwise, he often struggled.

I've met him numerous times, I'm happy he's a coach, and I rooted like hell for him as a player--but he was off just as much as he was on. The shooting percentages speak for themselves.
i like your posts and this one is solid too, but you will never convince me he is anywhere near Gmac. As numerous people have stated, GMac was never in a slump like Cooney is. This is literally a 25 game slump. GMac was also the focus of every team's defensive plan his last three years here, Cooney is not. GMac also had to run the show as a PG, Cooney runs in circles 95% of the time off the ball. I admit that I am harsher than most on Cooney, but to put GMac and him anywhere near the same sentence is wrong.
 
i like your posts and this one is solid too, but you will never convince me he is anywhere near Gmac. As numerous people have stated, GMac was never in a slump like Cooney is. This is literally a 25 game slump. GMac was also the focus of every team's defensive plan his last three years here, Cooney is not. GMac also had to run the show as a PG, Cooney runs in circles 95% of the time off the ball. I admit that I am harsher than most on Cooney, but to put GMac and him anywhere near the same sentence is wrong.

Compare Cooney's shooting numbers to GMac's [posted above]. They are a lot closer than you think.


Nobody disputes that they played different positions.
 

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Not trying to be arugmentative, Czar, but that just isn't accurate. GMac had lengthy stints where he was cold for multiple games--especially against the upper echelon Big East teams, who routinely bullied him. His shooting percentages were abysmal--judge for yourself

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His field goal percentage declined all four years, and was sub-.400 for three of those years [he was barely above .400 his freshmen year, at .401]. His three point shooting was generally average statistically. And while numbers don't tell the whole story, these ones demonstrate that GMac was every bit as streaky and inconsistent as I suggested above.

Now, I'll readily admit that there were mitigating factors. Namely:
  • GMac was a much better complimentary offensive player than a leading role
  • He might have been better playing off the ball, but didn't have that opportunity after the first semester of his sophomore year, after Edelin's issues arose
  • JB never recruited another complimentary shooter to help space the floor, so opposing defenses could really key on him [yeah, yeah--I know, Dnic--but he wasn't ready those first two years]
  • Over the last three years of his career, our teams got steadily worse each year
So it isn't all about GMac. I love the guy. I just think that people have selective memory about just how streaky of an offensive player he was.

Now the difference between him and Cooney is that every once in awhile, GMac would go off and bury somebody behind a barrage of big scoring. Cooney has only done that a handful of times, unlike GMac. McNamara also had some big game heroics, which Cooney has yet to replicate.

This isn't rosy misremembering. Gerry never went cold. He wasn't a streaky 3 point shooter. He was average those last three years. He never had the 0-9 nights like Cooney does, he just had a lot, and I mean a lot of 3-9 type nights. I'd kill for Cooney to have that.
 

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