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Ashton Broyld dismissed from Syracuse football for violation of team rules:

sutomcat said:
I agree. Players like AC, EP, BL, TP and even Israel are not going to be able to get open against the top notch CBs you find on the good ACC defenses. We are going to miss him most in those types of games.

I hope guys like Enoicy, Custis, Dunkelburger can step up and help fill the void. We at least have some other players on the team now with size, speed and strength.
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3 years 1 touchdown... If that's what we are hanging our hat on we should just shut down the program. Ashton was trending towards being an insignificant footnote in team history and that has just been prematurely confirmed.
 
CIL said:
He and his camp were adamant about playing offense.

It isn't their fault he refused to put in time learning the playbook. Plenty of other Syracuse athletes have thrived with position changes.
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just how many did he have? where am i playing this week coach?am i playing this week coach? granted he had some issues, but how do you commit to learning a position when you are in a constant state of confusion of just where do i fit in. doesn't matter now.
 
tipphill said:
just how many did he have? where am i playing this week coach?am i playing this week coach? granted he had some issues, but how do you commit to learning a position when you are in a constant state of confusion of just where do i fit in. doesn't matter now.
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One season at RB, two at WR - doesn't sound game to game. HB this year is essentially a slot WR. Three different OC's is not good for any player. He's not the only one to have his position moved.
 
Finwad32 said:
So... 100% staff at fault, 0% AB?
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you say that i did not. i do fault the staff for bungling his talent, of course he probably had(s) issues, nevertheless every couple of weeks the ps would have articles on where the staff will use him. it was a total enigma
 
tipphill said:
just how many did he have? where am i playing this week coach?am i playing this week coach? granted he had some issues, but how do you commit to learning a position when you are in a constant state of confusion of just where do i fit in. doesn't matter now.
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You aren't in a constant state of confusion if you show up to practice and actually practice, or if you learn the playbook like the rest of the team, or if you don't drop TD passes, or if you don't let your QB or RB get their heads ripped off because you missed a block or were uninterested in blocking.

He brought any confusion upon himself. How do you know where to play a guy that can't remember or won't learn the plays? There are plenty of players we've had move from offense to defense or vice versa, they never seem to have an issue with being moved around. AB was moved from one offensive position to another, the plays are still the same, it's not that complicated for an athlete who got into SU to adapt.
 
tipphill said:
you say that i did not. i do fault the staff for bungling his talent, of course he probably had(s) issues, nevertheless every couple of weeks the ps would have articles on where the staff will use him. it was a total enigma
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What if he didn't show the potential to excel at the positions they put him at?
 
tipphill said:
just how many did he have? where am i playing this week coach?am i playing this week coach? granted he had some issues, but how do you commit to learning a position when you are in a constant state of confusion of just where do i fit in. doesn't matter now.
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He made one position switch from RB to WR as far as I can recall. Not 4 or 5 as is often suggested here.

I'd say both staffs went out of their was to help him. Honoring a scholarship after exposing yourself to a high school gymnasium, failing to initially qualify academically, and multiple instances of yelling and sulking on the sidelines is a lot of slack.
 
This situation is disappointing, it's disappointing because a young man may not finish his degree and never fulfilled his potential as a student athlete.

That being said, I know some here are very fond of Ashton personally. This does not excuse what must have been a pretty blatant situation for him to be dismissed.

I went to practices, I saw Ashton in those situations. Always very talented, never exuded the intangibles. I watched things in practice this past Spring that you hope not to see from a soon to be SR.

Lester thought that he could be an absolutely integral part of the team. His talent spoke for itself. If he didn't want to utilize it in the best way for the team, that's on him. That's why you make the college decision you do. You go to the place you feel is the best opportunity and you do whatever you can in your power to excel within that opportunity. If it doesn't work out, there's a mirror in the bathroom that you have to look in.

This could be a multitude of things, there should be no speculation unless more information comes out. Could be academics, could be legal troubles, could be an inability to get with the program.

There is no excuse for not getting with the program. Be a big boy and do everything you can do to excel for yourself and your team. It benefits nobody, yourself included, to not do everything you can to thrive in your given situation.

One thing I can say with relative certainty, there must not have been an effort to do everything to the best of his ability. Otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation.
 
There was a game either last year or the year before where Shafer had to burn a time out because we wanted to sub for Broyld but he wouldn't get off the field. I dont quite remember the game but I remember him lining up out wide close to the syracuse sideline and basically saying FU to the decision to sub.

Only guys like Lebron James can do stuff like that. It doesn't work well in football.
 
Ever hear the phrase "addition by subraction"?

More reps for kids who may not be quite as talented as Broyld but can get there given the seasoning.

While I agree that Ashton was one of the best high-level talents on the team offensively, I also think that if we see a different offense that can create separation naturally (a la Marrone/Hackett), there are enough playmakers on the team that we can move the ball.

At least that's the hope.
 
tipphill said:
you say that i did not. i do fault the staff for bungling his talent, of course he probably had(s) issues, nevertheless every couple of weeks the ps would have articles on where the staff will use him. it was a total enigma
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he came in as QB.. couldnt learn the playbook or throw well enough.. had some nice ball skills so they moved him to RB to get him on the field.. he couldnt learn the plays there. he moved to WR/hybrid type position and couldnt learn the plays or catch well enough. in space he made people miss but he didnt outrun anyone. but its tough to get a guy in space who cant make the simple catches half the time.

he would have made a nice TE with 30 more lbs but again he cant catch all that well.
 
qdawgg said:
You aren't in a constant state of confusion if you show up to practice and actually practice, or if you learn the playbook like the rest of the team, or if you don't drop TD passes, or if you don't let your QB or RB get their heads ripped off because you missed a block or were uninterested in blocking.

He brought any confusion upon himself. How do you know where to play a guy that can't remember or won't learn the plays? There are plenty of players we've had move from offense to defense or vice versa, they never seem to have an issue with being moved around. AB was moved from one offensive position to another, the plays are still the same, it's not that complicated for an athlete who got into SU to adapt.
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well i think there were a multitude of complaints re the george mcdonald playbook? the record and offensive output supports that. as far as i can tell no one understood the playbook!!!
 
Good luck to the young man as he moves forward with his life. As far as football impact there shouldn't be any on the current team. But more important I hope he has learned some valuable lesson in his time here at Syracuse and hopes he uses those to better his life going forward.
 
tipphill said:
the staffs head wasn't there. they were the inconsistent ones. they did him a disservice by moving him constantly. i hope he flourishes elsewhere. love to see him go to villanova
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Yes I'm sure it was all on the staff. They really messed him up and that's why he's thrown off the team. That damn Shafer!
 
LeMoyneCuse said:
That's a false correlation. Not blocking and being unable to catch have no relationship to a crappy offense.
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the kid lost all motivation, and concentration. he was no longer committed. that is not an excuse, but reality---the staff had a hand in that outcome as well as the player. it is not a false correlation but a piece of the equation
 
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