Baseball Hall of Fame voting

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  1. donniesyracuse

    donniesyracuse All Conference

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    yeah, no chance any of them used something
     
  2. Alsacs

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    You could be right. Hey this is all subjective. Nobody is right.
     
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  3. OrangeDW

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    So did the pitchers though. It evens out. Frank Thomas was always a big boy. Not to mention his eye and his swing would've made him a great hitter even if he was small. That guy was one of the more pure hitters I've ever seen.
     
  4. donniesyracuse

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    Right, I think we should stop guessing who did PEDs. Judge people for what they accomplished on the field.
     
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  5. SUFaninNJ

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    Ok, thanks. I had never seen it used before.
     
  6. Knicks411

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    My gut reaction on Vlad was he's a no brainer HOF. Honestly, going back and looking at his stats, he's more borderline than I thought. I still think he should make it, but it did make me think a little. Like, he's not all that different than Larry Walker or Sheff. (Seriously, check their OPS+, it's eerie)
     
  7. Alsacs

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    Nobody on the 1998 or 1999 position player Yankees were likely juicers but David Justice IMO was a juicer and he came on board in 2000.

    Make no mistake every team was full of juicers though. Nomar, Manny I mean I am not saying my team was innocent. I do think Pedro was clean though.
     
  8. Alsacs

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    Vlad was a better player than Walker IMO.
    Vlad's OPS was hurt by Olympic stadium in Montreal being an awful hitting Park early in his career.

    Vlad made shouldn't be a no doubt guy but I would put him a level above Walker.
    Does Coors skew walker's OPS+?
    I think Sheffield had a connection to BALCO which could hurt him.
    Shef had to set the unofficial major league record for foul HRs.
     
  9. KaiserUEO

    KaiserUEO Hall of Fame

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    My Ballot for 2017

    1. Raines
    2. Bagwell
    3. Bonds
    4. Clemens
    5. Kent
    6. Sheffield
    7. Schilling
    8. Vlad
    9. Mussina
    10. Posada

    FWIW: I think Raines, Bags and Hoffman get in this year.

    Yes, I wouldn't vote for Hoffman.

    Theres a lot of Hall of Very Good out there...Bagwell and Hoffman for 2.

    Bonds and Clemens, just cut the shlit fellas.

    Kent, is a HOFer.

    Shef and Vlad will get in.

    Schilling is an enigma now.

    I think Moose will.

    Posada could/should, but the anti-Yankee bias and Irod taking a lot of awards away hurts him. But for Peeing on his hands in place of batting gloves...i don't see why anyone wouldn't want to vote for that badass move.
     
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  10. Briancuse

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    I'm sorry Posada is not a hof, I like Kent, not enough people talk about him as a hof, he was a jerk, but a great player.
     
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    I'm a Yankees fan but I say no to Mussina. The reason is in that 2004 disaster Mussina was the ace of that team. He pitched decent in Game 5 but he needed to throw a shutout. That was their last chance to win. Can't give Torre a chance to put in a gassed out Tom Gordon.
     
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    Pitchers too cough Pedro cough
     
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    kirbivore All American

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    Vlad passed the "need to see him play if you get a chance" test. I took time out from boozing and whoring in a 2002 trip to Montreal to catch a game.
     
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    The guy was a horse, averaging 15 wins and over 200 innings pitched for 18 years, with a WHIP just under 1.200, pitching in a hitter's division in a hitter's era. Absolutely HoF worthy.
     
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  15. SUFaninNJ

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    Moises Alou peed on his hands. Did Rodriguez do it also?

    I'm too lazy to look it up, but no love for Albert Belle?
     
  16. Knicks411

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    OPS+ is park adjusted
     
  17. KaiserUEO

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    Alou was a pee'r.

    Don't know about anyone else.

    I'd rather Steinbrenner than belle from the Eras committee.
     
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    Posada was a pee guy, too.
     
  19. KaiserUEO

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    Read...

    ;)
     
  20. br801

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    Oh sorry, didn't read your whole post above.

    Anyway, Posada's a tough call of the HoF. Don't think he'll get in, but one could certainly make a case based on his offensive numbers compared to other catchers historically, plus give him a bump for the post season numbers and titles.
     

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