BTN Penn State Piece

[HOFCeluck]

Of course you won't read it. It's much easier to watch TV and see a sensationalized version of what drives ratings and then regurgitate what you just saw. Ignorance is, as they say and what you seem to prefer, bliss. Have you ever heard of the Dreyfus Affair? The McMartin Pre-school Trial? Sometimes true justice takes years. Penn Staters realize this and will stand-by their school, team and beliefs for as long as it takes. When the truth is finally revealed, will you be around to admit you're wrong? Of course not.

If you want me to accept your position, don't just provide links to a blog and a three hundred page legal document. You're not on your own board. You're going to have to do better than that.

 

[Moontan]

Frankly I think most Penn Staters want their football team back on an even playing field. Get rid of the stupid scholarship and bowl game sanctions.

The rest of the sanctions will be dealt (successfully or not) with by the ongoing lawsuits.

That's right, pretend like nothing ever happened... just like Paterno, Spanier, Curley and Schultz have been doing for 15+ years.

FYI: the rest of the country is getting more than sick of that attitude. PSU got off (too) easy.

 

[NKR1978]

I know there was an institution wide coverup to protect your precious football culture at the expense of god knows how many innocent children.

Given you are no doubt one of the Happy Valley cultists that worship the ground JoPa walked on I eagerly await your unbiased take.

You can't have a rational discussion with members of the Cult of Paterno.

 

[DrLecter]

You can't have a rational discussion with members of the Cult of Paterno.

Hmmm, some would say that Syracuse has a Fine culture.

 

[Moontan]

http://m.youtube.com/results?q=9jzt...duced..1.0.0.PvcgnJiYSIc#/watch?v=9jztyP-6BI8

Jan. 12, 2011: Schultz, Paterno and Curley testify before the grand jury.

April 1, 2011: A Trustee emails Spanier, asking if the Board will be briefed about the Sandusky investigation reported in the paper.

April 17, 2011: Spanier, Baldwin and then Board Chair Garban have a conference call to discuss the Sandusky Grand Jury.

Oct. 27-28, 2011:
Baldwin receives information on upcoming Grand Jury indictment.
Baldwin, Spanier and Curley meet; Baldwin and Spanier also meet with Garban.

Oct. 29, 2011: Sandusky attends Penn State home football game (edit: vs. Illinois... referenced in recording above) and sits in Nittany Lion Club in Beaver Stadium.

Dates from: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...tes-penn-states-actions-in-sandusky-case?lite

It's OK not to acknowledge these events... lots of people do.
FYI: it's called denial.

 

[HtownOrange]

PSU might deserve punishment. In fact, those that deserve punishment the most may not even be identified yet (stay tuned for that). But not the football program since anything that happened was completely irrelevant to football or athletics, as much as the media and message boards like to say otherwise.

The purpose of the sanctions against the football program is to make PSU; the school, student body (past and present), donors and the fans; feel pain and to help ensure it does NOT happen again. Everyone understands that the kids at PSU today did not cover up the Sandusky actions. However, the school needs to feel pain and limiting the football team (which is worshiped and is the big money maker for the school) will help to cause this pain to the institution.

Many here, and I am one, believe that the sanctions did not go far enough. SMU fully understood the impact of cheating. PSU has literally ruined the lives of several children and should get some punishment that forces them to realize that football does NOT transcend laws and morals.

 

[DrLecter]

The purpose of the sanctions against the football program is to make PSU; the school, student body (past and present), donors and the fans; feel pain and to help ensure it does NOT happen again. Everyone understands that the kids at PSU today did not cover up the Sandusky actions. However, the school needs to feel pain and limiting the football team (which is worshiped and is the big money maker for the school) will help to cause this pain to the institution.

Many here, and I am one, believe that the sanctions did not go far enough. SMU fully understood the impact of cheating. PSU has literally ruined the lives of several children and should get some punishment that forces them to realize that football does NOT transcend laws and morals.

Boloney.

The reason the sanctions were passed was because our board of trustees are controlled by a core group of spineless cowards who were afraid to stand-up against Pennsylvania's corrupt governor, who lead the Sandusky investigation while he was Attorney General. (He's now under investigation himself for this matter, by the way)

The BoT power structure had a long-standing feud with Joe Paterno and saw this a an easy way to oust him. They prevented him from speaking at his weekly news conference the afternoon before firing him. The media took over the narrative from there.

Then the BoT's puppet hand-picked replacement president signed a consent decree when the NCAA, acting outside their own bylaws, imposed these sanctions so show how "tough" Mark Emmert was on NCAA "lawbreakers." All this based on Lois Freeh's flawed investigation, ordered by the same BoT which wanted Joe ousted and which has since been picked apart piece-by-piece. BTW, Freeh's group has had at least two previous investigations as incompetent, including the FIFA which was proven to be consisting of little more than speculation.

There were no NCAA rules broken. Penn State didn't "cheat."

The trial of Curley, Schultz and Spanier will be held next March. Most experts predict either the charges will be dismissed or the men will be acquitted.

Mike McQueary has changed his version of what he saw that evening at least four times, mostly with the prodding of detectives, two of whom committed perjury at Sandusky's trial.

Joe Paterno, before his death, said he wanted the truth to come out and for the victims od Sandusky to find peace.

Jim Clemente, a noted FBI profiler specializing in child sexual abuse had this to say. “There is no other way to say it: on the most critical aspects of the Sandusky investigation, the SIC report is a failure. It does a tremendous disservice to Penn State, Joe Paterno, and the victims of Jerry Sandusky.”

http://paterno.com/Resources/Docs/CLEMENTE_FINAL_REPORT_2-7-2013.pdf

Of course none of this matters to the typical Syracuse fan. All you care about is gaining a competitive advantage over a rival, not helping Sandusky's victims, preventing child sexual abuse, or finding the truth.

 

[NKR1978]

Boloney.

The reason the sanctions were passed was because our board of trustees are controlled by a core group of spineless cowards who were afraid to stand-up against Pennsylvania's corrupt governor, who lead the Sandusky investigation while he was Attorney General. (He's now under investigation himself for this matter, by the way)

The BoT power structure had a long-standing feud with Joe Paterno and saw this a an easy way to oust him. They prevented him from speaking at his weekly news conference the afternoon before firing him. The media took over the narrative from there.

Then the BoT's puppet hand-picked replacement president signed a consent decree when the NCAA, acting outside their own bylaws, imposed these sanctions so show how "tough" Mark Emmert was on NCAA "lawbreakers." All this based on Lois Freeh's flawed investigation, ordered by the same BoT which wanted Joe ousted and which has since been picked apart piece-by-piece. BTW, Freeh's group has had at least two previous investigations as incompetent, including the FIFA which was proven to be consisting of little more than speculation.

There were no NCAA rules broken. Penn State didn't "cheat."

The trial of Curley, Schultz and Spanier will be held next March. Most experts predict either the charges will be dismissed or the men will be acquitted.

Mike McQueary has changed his version of what he saw that evening at least four times, mostly with the prodding of detectives, two of whom committed perjury at Sandusky's trial.

Joe Paterno, before his death, said he wanted the truth to come out and for the victims od Sandusky to find peace.

Jim Clemente, a noted FBI profiler specializing in child s e x ual abuse had this to say. “There is no other way to say it: on the most critical aspects of the Sandusky investigation, the SIC report is a failure. It does a tremendous disservice to Penn State, Joe Paterno, and the victims of Jerry Sandusky.”

http://paterno.com/Resources/Docs/CLEMENTE_FINAL_REPORT_2-7-2013.pdf

Of course none of this matters to the typical Syracuse fan. All you care about is gaining a competitive advantage over a rival, not helping Sandusky's victims, preventing child s e x ual abuse, or finding the truth.

You cried when they took down the statue because you didn't get to say "goodbye," didn't you?

 

[DrLecter]

You cried when they took down the statue because you didn't get to say "goodbye," didn't you?

Actually, I was standing directly across the street and did say goodbye. But it'll be back someday.

Hopefully, you won't be crying for too long this Saturday when our 65 players show your 85 how to play football.

 

[wfschrec]

Boloney.

The reason the sanctions were passed was because our board of trustees are controlled by a core group of spineless cowards who were afraid to stand-up against Pennsylvania's corrupt governor, who lead the Sandusky investigation while he was Attorney General. (He's now under investigation himself for this matter, by the way)

The BoT power structure had a long-standing feud with Joe Paterno and saw this a an easy way to oust him. They prevented him from speaking at his weekly news conference the afternoon before firing him. The media took over the narrative from there.

Then the BoT's puppet hand-picked replacement president signed a consent decree when the NCAA, acting outside their own bylaws, imposed these sanctions so show how "tough" Mark Emmert was on NCAA "lawbreakers." All this based on Lois Freeh's flawed investigation, ordered by the same BoT which wanted Joe ousted and which has since been picked apart piece-by-piece. BTW, Freeh's group has had at least two previous investigations as incompetent, including the FIFA which was proven to be consisting of little more than speculation.

There were no NCAA rules broken. Penn State didn't "cheat."

The trial of Curley, Schultz and Spanier will be held next March. Most experts predict either the charges will be dismissed or the men will be acquitted.

Mike McQueary has changed his version of what he saw that evening at least four times, mostly with the prodding of detectives, two of whom committed perjury at Sandusky's trial.

Joe Paterno, before his death, said he wanted the truth to come out and for the victims od Sandusky to find peace.

Jim Clemente, a noted FBI profiler specializing in child s e x ual abuse had this to say. “There is no other way to say it: on the most critical aspects of the Sandusky investigation, the SIC report is a failure. It does a tremendous disservice to Penn State, Joe Paterno, and the victims of Jerry Sandusky.”

http://paterno.com/Resources/Docs/CLEMENTE_FINAL_REPORT_2-7-2013.pdf

Of course none of this matters to the typical Syracuse fan. All you care about is gaining a competitive advantage over a rival, not helping Sandusky's victims, preventing child s e x ual abuse, or finding the truth.

Its spelt bologna ... for a "Dr" you truly are an idiot. And no one here said NCAA rules were broken, reading comp not your strong suit I can tell. Tell you what you are on a SYRACUSE board ... not a PSU board, a SYRACUSE board stating a case about a disgusting situation involving a very large institution and some of its core members. Sanduski was found guilty on multiple charges in a court of law and convicted. Some of these crimes were committed on campus at the football facility ... the fact that he was found guilty means that it was proven beyond a reasonable doubt that these events unfolded ... and instead of just accepting what was handed down and helping the victims you come to a SYRACUSE board and act like an a$$. You can go back to the PSU board and post all the links you want ... but you came here pal not the other way around. If that is too hard for you to comprehend then you are an even bigger idiot than I give you credit for.

 

[TheCusian]

Boloney.

The reason the sanctions were passed was because our board of trustees are controlled by a core group of spineless cowards who were afraid to stand-up against Pennsylvania's corrupt governor, who lead the Sandusky investigation while he was Attorney General. (He's now under investigation himself for this matter, by the way)

The BoT power structure had a long-standing feud with Joe Paterno and saw this a an easy way to oust him. They prevented him from speaking at his weekly news conference the afternoon before firing him. The media took over the narrative from there.

Then the BoT's puppet hand-picked replacement president signed a consent decree when the NCAA, acting outside their own bylaws, imposed these sanctions so show how "tough" Mark Emmert was on NCAA "lawbreakers." All this based on Lois Freeh's flawed investigation, ordered by the same BoT which wanted Joe ousted and which has since been picked apart piece-by-piece. BTW, Freeh's group has had at least two previous investigations as incompetent, including the FIFA which was proven to be consisting of little more than speculation.

There were no NCAA rules broken. Penn State didn't "cheat."

The trial of Curley, Schultz and Spanier will be held next March. Most experts predict either the charges will be dismissed or the men will be acquitted.

Mike McQueary has changed his version of what he saw that evening at least four times, mostly with the prodding of detectives, two of whom committed perjury at Sandusky's trial.

Joe Paterno, before his death, said he wanted the truth to come out and for the victims od Sandusky to find peace.

Jim Clemente, a noted FBI profiler specializing in child s e x ual abuse had this to say. “There is no other way to say it: on the most critical aspects of the Sandusky investigation, the SIC report is a failure. It does a tremendous disservice to Penn State, Joe Paterno, and the victims of Jerry Sandusky.”

http://paterno.com/Resources/Docs/CLEMENTE_FINAL_REPORT_2-7-2013.pdf

Of course none of this matters to the typical Syracuse fan. All you care about is gaining a competitive advantage over a rival, not helping Sandusky's victims, preventing child s e x ual abuse, or finding the truth.

Look, all of that is typical of all investigations to some extent. The truth is simple:

1. An horrible act happened repeatedly. To kids.
2. The powers that be knew about it.
3. The powers that be tried to protect the University and its football team, instead if defenseless children, victims.
4. Any other reading of this is subterfuge and denial.
5. Cheating includes covering up a crime to protect a silly athletic club. The NCAA had every right to punish you.

 

[HOFCeluck]

The average Penn State fan seems more concerned about their football team and clearing JoePas name than the children whose lives Sandusky ruined.

This is precisely why there needed to be sanctions and why they probably didn't go far enough.

 

[DrLecter]

Look, all of that is typical of all investigations to some extent. The truth is simple:

1. An horrible act happened repeatedly. To kids.
2. The powers that be knew about it.
3. The powers that be tried to protect the University and its football team, instead if defenseless children, victims.
4. Any other reading of this is subterfuge and denial.
5. Cheating includes covering up a crime to protect a silly athletic club. The NCAA had every right to punish you.

1. True
2. False
3. False
4. False (however, your failure to read the facts shows you're more interested in seeing PSU suffer than preventing child abuse, concern for the victims or finding the truth)
5. False. And the NCAA had to standing to punish.

Again, this "outrage" exhibited by the Syracuse fans on the board has more to do with a rivalry than any form of "justice."

 

[Moontan]

There were no NCAA rules broken. Penn State didn't "cheat."

You're right.

I mean, what's a little lack of institutional control that enables a serial pedophile... all in the name of preventing the football program from looking bad?

SMU didn't cheat either... they just enhanced their recruiting practices.

 

[NKR1978]

1. True
2. False
3. False
4. False (however, your failure to read the facts shows you're more interested in seeing PSU suffer than preventing child abuse, concern for the victims or finding the truth)
5. False. And the NCAA had to standing to punish.

Again, this "outrage" exhibited by the Syracuse fans on the board has more to do with a rivalry than any form of "justice."

You're legitimately brainwashed or patently stupid if you actually believe the mountain of b****** you've posted.

 

[HOFCeluck]

EVERY OTHER FANBASE in the country believes EXACTLY the same thing Syracuse fans do wrt Sandusky and PSU.

They can't all be bitter rivals.

 

[All4SU]

The representation on this board by this small group of PSU fans demonstrates why the PSU program should have received the death penalty. I didn't think so before. I do now. What a bunch of delusional fanatics. I'll be glad when this game is over. I wish we had not scheduled them. I would much rather have scheduled a team and program I can respect.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

The representation on this board by this small group of PSU fans demonstrates why the PSU program should have received the death penalty. I didn't think so before. I do now. What a bunch of delusional fanatics. I'll be glad when this game is over. I wish we had not scheduled them. I would much rather have scheduled a team and program I can respect.

See, I view it as our moral obligation to beat them.

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[HtownOrange]

Boloney.

The reason the sanctions were passed was because our board of trustees are controlled by a core group of spineless cowards who were afraid to stand-up against Pennsylvania's corrupt governor, who lead the Sandusky investigation while he was Attorney General. (He's now under investigation himself for this matter, by the way)

The BoT power structure had a long-standing feud with Joe Paterno and saw this a an easy way to oust him. They prevented him from speaking at his weekly news conference the afternoon before firing him. The media took over the narrative from there.

Then the BoT's puppet hand-picked replacement president signed a consent decree when the NCAA, acting outside their own bylaws, imposed these sanctions so show how "tough" Mark Emmert was on NCAA "lawbreakers." All this based on Lois Freeh's flawed investigation, ordered by the same BoT which wanted Joe ousted and which has since been picked apart piece-by-piece. BTW, Freeh's group has had at least two previous investigations as incompetent, including the FIFA which was proven to be consisting of little more than speculation.

There were no NCAA rules broken. Penn State didn't "cheat."

The trial of Curley, Schultz and Spanier will be held next March. Most experts predict either the charges will be dismissed or the men will be acquitted.

Mike McQueary has changed his version of what he saw that evening at least four times, mostly with the prodding of detectives, two of whom committed perjury at Sandusky's trial.

Joe Paterno, before his death, said he wanted the truth to come out and for the victims od Sandusky to find peace.

Jim Clemente, a noted FBI profiler specializing in child s e x ual abuse had this to say. “There is no other way to say it: on the most critical aspects of the Sandusky investigation, the SIC report is a failure. It does a tremendous disservice to Penn State, Joe Paterno, and the victims of Jerry Sandusky.”

http://paterno.com/Resources/Docs/CLEMENTE_FINAL_REPORT_2-7-2013.pdf

Of course none of this matters to the typical Syracuse fan. All you care about is gaining a competitive advantage over a rival, not helping Sandusky's victims, preventing child s e x ual abuse, or finding the truth.

You lost all credibility several times. Sandusky committed crimes. Paterno covered up the crimes. The PSU administration covered up the crimes. You allege we as Syracuse only want a competitive advantage over a rivalry.

Sandusky is in jail. Others may be punished. Penn State is paying out large settlements. This proves you are wrong! If PSU was not liable in any way, nuisance value would be the only settlement offer. However, PSU is paying our far in excess of nuisance value and thus, whether liability is admitted in the final paperwork or not, they are paying for that liability. Any decent lawyer would explain that if PSU had the facts on their side, there would be nothing more than a nuisance settlement, if that!

Your final allegation about SU fans is silly. Sure, we want to win, but equating a desire to win with a desire for justice is comparing apples to nuclear weapons, not even in the same realm of topics. Many of us do recall when the game was a rivalry, but JoePa cancelled the game. We fully understand that joining the B1G was a hindrance to annual games, but JoePa still refused to play for a very long time. So what? Water under the bridge. We should play periodically as we are in the same region. (By the way, I'm not one that wanted the death penalty, so you may want to lighten up a little

As for the Sandusky issue, the mere fact that you defend JoePa and PSU shows that you have not been honest with yourself and that you personally still worship JoePa and PSU football. I have a good friend, a die hard PSU fan, who freely admits this was wrong, PSU should be penalized. He is sad because of it but he would never think to defend anyone who allowed child molestation to occur.

As for the above report, this is the money quote, "When I was asked by representatives of the Paterno family to conduct an independent review and assessment of the findings and conclusions in the SIC report, ..."

Once again, you lost all credibility by presenting a self serving report as fact. The real facts are played out in courts and they happen to disagree with your "facts".

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Bernie Fine, and the fact that he was not criminally investigated because it fell outside the statute of limitations, while Sandusky's crimes did. And yet somehow we are all horrible people who can't discuss our team while anything syracuse is as pure as the 6 ft of snow that occupies the syracuse campus at all times.

Why do I stop supporting a bunch of kids who play their asses off for my alma mater, because of some guy who coached here 15 years ago who did some pretty messed up things. I don't blame Syracuse fans for bernie fine, just like I don't blame germans for Hitler. I want to talk about football not about some guy who did some stuff when I was 9 years old.

PS. Grammar/spelling/format mistakes I blame on lots of beer.

you realize only one person who isn't a felon or a proven liar made accusation, right. And you realize those were made after Bernie stopped helping the kid and demanded money be paid back. You realize Bernie was investigated by the Feds, right. Have you figured out yet it wasn't true.
Your school allowed a known pedophile to continue to bring young boys on campus.

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[TheCusian]

1. True
2. False
3. False
4. False (however, your failure to read the facts shows you're more interested in seeing PSU suffer than preventing child abuse, concern for the victims or finding the truth)
5. False. And the NCAA had to standing to punish.

Again, this "outrage" exhibited by the Syracuse fans on the board has more to do with a rivalry than any form of "justice."

It has nothing at all to do with any rivalry. It has nothing to do with our football game this upcoming weekend. My outrage has to do with abhorrent crimes against children and the complete denial and lack of humanity you and other posters have displayed in this thread. By pinning our outrage on "rivalry" you display an ignorance of how this is perceived outside of "happy" valley.

I'd love nothing more than to destroy you guys fair and square in an ACC regular season game. I hope your proud program can become a true rival again. But until it tosses dead weight fans out (like yourself) and is honest with itself - it will be hamstrung by this for a very long time.

 

[denterth]

They lost some big players from that defense and with struggling to move the ball on offense they will wear down. The biggest area lack of scholarships will effect is special teams. Look at their projected starters and tell me how many you feel would start for Syracuse this year. I found 5, the biggest 2 of which were fighting hamstring issues before they closed their practices.

Really? Speaking of delusional...RG John Urschel would be the smartest guy on your team, by far, and was a First-Team All-B1G guard. LT Donovan Smith is going to be a future 1st or 2nd round pick and he's arguably better than Urschel but had a hand injury last year that slowed him down a little. You say nobody will be able to run past your defenders? TE Jesse James is 6-7, 260 and runs a 4.5 40, you'll hear his name on Sundays as well and he probably isn't our best tight end. The title goes to Kyle Carter who was a consensus first-team Freshmen All-American. And finally FOR THE OFFENSE, Allen Robinson was a first-team All-B1G and won the B1G receiver of the year award, 77 receptions and 11 touchdowns ain't bad. That's 5 guys on one side of the ball without mentioning RB Zach Zwinak, C Ty Howle, and TE Matt Lehman.

I don't feel like teaching you all day but on defense DB Adrian Amos, DE Deion Barnes, DT DaQuan Jones and Glenn Carson would without a doubt be starting for Cuse.

For a while I thought you actually might know what you're talking about but then you said something idiotic like that and made an irrational prediction. After Saturday I feel like your opinion might change from "5 but 2 had hamstring issues." It's a minor HAMSTRING injury not a turn ACL. But good luck though, you'll need it.

 

[TheCusian]

Really? Speaking of delusional...RG John Urschel would be the smartest guy on your team, by far, and was a First-Team All-B1G guard. LT Donovan Smith is going to be a future 1st or 2nd round pick and he's arguably better than Urschel but had a hand injury last year that slowed him down a little. You say nobody will be able to run past your defenders? TE Jesse James is 6-7, 260 and runs a 4.5 40, you'll hear his name on Sundays as well and he probably isn't our best tight end. The title goes to Kyle Carter who was a consensus first-team Freshmen All-American. And finally FOR THE OFFENSE, Allen Robinson was a first-team All-B1G and won the B1G receiver of the year award, 77 receptions and 11 touchdowns ain't bad. That's 5 guys on one side of the ball without mentioning RB Zach Zwinak, C Ty Howle, and TE Matt Lehman.

I don't feel like teaching you all day but on defense DB Adrian Amos, DE Deion Barnes, DT DaQuan Jones and Glenn Carson would without a doubt be starting for Cuse.

For a while I thought you actually might know what you're talking about but then you said something idiotic like that and made an irrational prediction. After Saturday I feel like your opinion might change from "5 but 2 had hamstring issues." It's a minor HAMSTRING injury not a turn ACL. But good luck though, you'll need it.

1st year C, 1st year QB vs our Defensive scheme = no time to pass to your TE.

You also didn't mention your very green secondary.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Really? Speaking of delusional...RG John Urschel would be the smartest guy on your team, by far, and was a First-Team All-B1G guard. LT Donovan Smith is going to be a future 1st or 2nd round pick and he's arguably better than Urschel but had a hand injury last year that slowed him down a little. You say nobody will be able to run past your defenders? TE Jesse James is 6-7, 260 and runs a 4.5 40, you'll hear his name on Sundays as well and he probably isn't our best tight end. The title goes to Kyle Carter who was a consensus first-team Freshmen All-American. And finally FOR THE OFFENSE, Allen Robinson was a first-team All-B1G and won the B1G receiver of the year award, 77 receptions and 11 touchdowns ain't bad. That's 5 guys on one side of the ball without mentioning RB Zach Zwinak, C Ty Howle, and TE Matt Lehman.

I don't feel like teaching you all day but on defense DB Adrian Amos, DE Deion Barnes, DT DaQuan Jones and Glenn Carson would without a doubt be starting for Cuse.

For a while I thought you actually might know what you're talking about but then you said something idiotic like that and made an irrational prediction. After Saturday I feel like your opinion might change from "5 but 2 had hamstring issues." It's a minor HAMSTRING injury not a turn ACL. But good luck though, you'll need it.

How about you tell me what you know about the Syracuse players who you think these guys would just walk in and replace and we can go from there. I know you think your players are all great, and you should since you're a fan, but tell me about who they would start over and why. FWIW you named 4 of the 5 I had in mind so nice work there.

Pretty much, tell me why my predictions are irrational vs just the standard chest puffing over how good your players are and why you feel I've slighted them. I've yet to meet a PSU fan that knows much of anything about Syracuse so here's your chance to be that guy.

 

[orangenirvana]

These Ped State fans are douche bags.