PG Situation/Battle at Point in 17-18?

[HakAttack]

Others were posting this in other threads but IMO it deserves its own thread. I would absolutely put Battle at the point next year. He's shown he's got the handle and can actually blow by guys. He can also finish at the rim, which is something that Gillon and Howard have completely failed at this year.

Larger issue is the PG turnover. The last five years have produced five different PG, with Howard this year being the sixth in six years. Hard to gain year to year traction when there's such turnover at arguably college basketball's most important position.

2012: Scoop
2013: MCW
2014: Ennis
2015: Joseph
2016: Gbinjie
2017: Howard

 

[longislandcuse]

Completely on board.

We're loaded with 4's and 5's next year.

There are decent 2/3's available to bring in next year. We can find some shooters for him.

Make Battle the centerpiece at point next year.

 

[AZcuse77]

Others were posting this in other threads but IMO it deserves its own thread. I would absolutely put Battle at the point next year. He's shown he's got the handle and can actually blow by guys. He can also finish at the rim, which is something that Gillon and Howard have completely failed at this year.

Larger issue is the PG turnover. The last five years have produced five different PG, with Howard this year being the sixth in six years. Hard to gain year to year traction when there's such turnover at arguably college basketball's most important position.

2012: Scoop
2013: MCW
2014: Ennis
2015: Joseph
2016: Gbinjie
2017: Howard

I agree and have stated Battle would be our best point even TODAY. The problem seems to be we then don't have a 2/3. White is fine as a catch and shoot I guess the reason most think he can't play the 2 is defense. We are just so thin I guess but who is coming in that can play the 2 or 3 when we only landed second tier big guys? I hope we can pull off something for next year on the international or transfer market. Moyer is a small forward right? Who else is there?

 

[OrangeDW]

Others were posting this in other threads but IMO it deserves its own thread. I would absolutely put Battle at the point next year. He's shown he's got the handle and can actually blow by guys. He can also finish at the rim, which is something that Gillon and Howard have completely failed at this year.

Larger issue is the PG turnover. The last five years have produced five different PG, with Howard this year being the sixth in six years. Hard to gain year to year traction when there's such turnover at arguably college basketball's most important position.

2012: Scoop
2013: MCW
2014: Ennis
2015: Joseph
2016: Gbinjie
2017: Howard

Just a few years ago we were on such a run. We had Flynn and MCW as lottery picks and Ennis a first rounder and in between them Scoop and Triche were solid. Amazing how quickly things change.

 

[HakAttack]

Just a few years ago we were on such a run. We had Flynn and MCW as lottery picks and Ennis a first rounder and in between them Scoop and Triche were solid. Amazing how quickly things change.

Yeah, we complain about not having length this year at the top of the zone, but that wasn't a problem for Flynn or Triche.

The difference is having PGs who can run an offense without major limitations.

 

[two3zone]

Not ideal but I think we're at the point this year and with the poor recruiting we need someone next year. I'm on board.

 

[AZcuse77]

Yeah, we complain about not having length this year at the top of the zone, but that wasn't a problem for Flynn or Triche.

The difference is having PGs who can run an offense without major limitations.

Triche was 6'4 ... flynn was short but fast as a bullet during his college days and a different level of talent than Gillon.

Gillon is a mid-major guard getting exposed...

 

[Edfromsodus]

PG Howard
SG autry
SF Moyer
PF TT
C Chuku

Lydon and Battle are first rounders

 

[iommi]

I guess we could put Battle at the point and Ayala at the 2? 3 would be?

AZcuse77 Is that Liv Boeree in your avatar pic?

 

[AZcuse77]

I guess we could put Battle at the point and Ayala at the 2? 3 would be?

AZcuse77 Is that Liv Boeree in your avatar pic?

Im impressed... yes it is.

 

[FrancoPizza]

On board with battle at PG because of what he's shown recently but it's not like we can just mail order decent 2s and 3s from amazon... unless you're U.K.

 

[OrangeDW]

On board with battle at PG because of what he's shown recently but it's not like we can just mail order decent 2s and 3s from amazon... unless you're U.K.

I find it hard to believe that there are no perimeter players out there that are decent players that wouldn't come to Syracuse. We're friggin Syracuse. With available playing time. We'll get somebody. Right?

 

[two3zone]

I guess we could put Battle at the point and Ayala at the 2? 3 would be?

AZcuse77 Is that Liv Boeree in your avatar pic?

So if Battle leaves we legit need a 1, 2, 3, to go along with TT who can't play D, 2 freshman, Moyer and 72?

Manoman...

 

[AZOrange]

Battle at PG in the league? Maybe. Battle at PG next year at Cuse? No.

 

[AZcuse77]

I find it hard to believe that there are no perimeter players out there that are decent players that wouldn't come to Syracuse. We're friggin Syracuse. With available playing time. We'll get somebody. Right?

I really don't remember if Gillon was a late add or if we really thought he could play at ACC level coming from CSU. Was he that impressive or was that a desperation move from losing Richardson to the draft and no other options? I mean he was a 2 anyways obviously Gbinije was gone. How are we in this bad a spot?

 

[SoBeCuse]

Final Fours don't matter all THAT much to recruits I think or else Kansas and Arizona shouldn't be outrecruiting us constantly. We just haven't been able to play with the big boys in terms of the reloading game. That, the sanctions, and the staff messing up on certain player evaluations...guards especially where there is little margin for error. I really worry about next season, however.

 

[AZcuse77]

Battle at PG in the league? Maybe. Battle at PG next year at Cuse? No.

I can't tell if this is a "he gone" post or if you think he cant run point at Cuse. At this timestamp its about 25% max we make the tourney. Battle could blow up the last 12 ACC games but I think he's gone after next year.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Yeah, we complain about not having length this year at the top of the zone, but that wasn't a problem for Flynn or Triche.

The difference is having PGs who can run an offense without major limitations.

Wasn't triche a legit 6'4"?

 

[HakAttack]

Wasn't triche a legit 6'4"?

He was. He always seemed smaller to me though. I thought he was 6'2 or so.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Triche was 6'4 ... flynn was short but fast as a bullet during his college days and a different level of talent than Gillon.

Gillon is a mid-major guard getting exposed...

Whoops. Should have continued reading.

 

[SoBeCuse]

I really don't remember if Gillon was a late add or if we really thought he could play at ACC level coming from CSU. Was he that impressive or was that a desperation move from losing Richardson to the draft and no other options? I mean he was a 2 anyways obviously Gbinije was gone. How are we in this bad a spot?

I think Joseph, Mike, Mali, Cooney leaving gave us like one guard and ballhandler in Howard, right? But he was raw still. White was more of a desperation get for filling a shooting void when Mali left. Ugh.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

He was. He always seemed smaller to me though. I thought he was 6'2 or so.

Probably because he was so jacked.

I also thought he was great at the defensive slides up top. And always kept a hand up.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Okay, so Frank isn't a great shooter with the ball. But he's shot pretty well in a lot of games this year so the potential is there. I think.

What if we made battle the PG and moved Frank to the 2G? Worth a try at this point.

 

[AZcuse77]

I think Joseph, Mike, Mali leaving gave us like one guard and ballhandler in Howard, right? But he was raw still. White was more of a desperation get for filling a shooting void when Mali left. Ugh.

Is howard a great ballhandler? He played 30 seconds... picked up his dribble just over half court then made a garbage pass with his man covered. Then JB "we can't just jerk these guys out they lose confidence" pulled him immediately and we never saw him again despite Gillon being awful. They both are not good.

 

[SoBeCuse]

Is howard a great ballhandler? He played 30 seconds... picked up his dribble just over half court then made a garbage pass with his man covered. Then JB "we can't just jerk these guys out they lose confidence" pulled him immediately and we never saw him again despite Gillon being awful. They both are not good.

Oh I know. I should've put ballhandler in quotes or something. It's elementary stuff these guys are messing up. Really frustrating.