Who wants to earn extra credit?

[Jake]

So it's quite possible that G-Town, Uconn and St. John's will all end up with losing seasons (and honestly, we're not far removed). I assume in the JB era, that has never happened.

But it also means that we will have three OOC loses to teams that ended up with losing seasons.

Other than St. John's last season, I can't remember the last time we lost an non conference game to any team that finished under .500...especially at home.

Which one of you lunatics is going to figure out:

A) the last time we lost an OOC game at home to a team that finished with a losing record

B) if we've ever had 2 non conference losses in the same season to teams that finished under .500.

 

[jdubs30]

All I got from this post is that UConn and Georgetown both suck -- I'm ok with that

 

[W'boro'Cuse315]

B). In '01-02 we lost to both Georgia Tech & Tennessee on the road & they each finished 15-16.

Can my extra credit be a PM identifying the next "Mystery Recruit"??

 

[OrangeXtreme]

We lost to Canisius during the 1967-68 season.

Canisius finished 7-17.

We also lost to Niagara that year, but they finished 12-12.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

What about that Cleveland state team SU lost to.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

What about that Cleveland state team SU lost to.

26-11.

 

[wallacecuse]

What about that Cleveland state team SU lost to.

Didnt that team win an NCAA tourney game?

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Didnt that team win an NCAA tourney game?

IDK. Asking.
There was also that Ohio team we lost to in the Carrier Classic.

 

[HOFCeluck]

Didnt that team win an NCAA tourney game?

Yeah they killed Wake Forest in a upset that surprised no one.

 

[EastCoast2]

Did that BC team we lost to in 2014 in our blue uniforms finish above .500?

 

[bballbeadle]

What about that Cleveland state team SU lost to.

PLEASE! I have only recently managed to erase that shot from my memory banks and now you lodged it right back in there again!

 

[Flacusian]

I made a beeline to the Cleveland State record for that year...but no dice. I went all the way back to 75 and couldn't find one. I'm going to have to file a "I just don't know" on this one.
There have been some crazy losses... Like Austin Peay... Dayton...Old Dominion... but as far as I can tell they all had winning seasons.:noidea:

 

[Jake]

So, as I suspected...St John's (and maybe G-town),will be the first sub .500 OOC team(s) to ever win at Syracuse in the JB era.

This team was historically terrible.

 

[Briancuse]

Didnt that team win an NCAA tourney game?

Ya they beat Arizona.

 

[orange79]

Ya they beat Arizona.

Actually, beat Wake as a 13 seed, but then lost to 12 seed Arizona.

 

[Jasoncuse]

1968-1969 lost to an 11-13 Niagara team.
1967-1968 lost to 7-17 Canisius, 12-12 Niagara and 11-13 UConn
1962-1963 lost to 9-15 St John's
1961-1962 lost to 10-14 Fordham and 8-15 Colgate!

So it's been 50 years and happened in between JB's playing and coaching careers. We also were independent at the time, so all games were technically out of conference.

 

[SUGIANT]

Job for SWC

 

[llandz]

Wow. Now I'm really depressed.

 

[cuseinseattle]

We lost to Canisius during the 1967-68 season.

Canisius finished 7-17.

We also lost to Niagara that year, but they finished 12-12.

That Canisuis game was brutal. If Boeheim would have switched out of the zone we would have won.

 

[IthacaMatt]

What about that Cleveland state team SU lost to.

That was my first thought, too.

 

[orangenirvana]

Wow. Now I'm really depressed.

Don't worry. We'll appreciate this team more next year after Lydon (and possibly Battle) leaves and White/Roberson/Gillon/Coleman graduates.

 

[Cheriehoop]

That was my first thought, too.

Cleveland St was a good team. They made the NCAA's that year losing to Arizona in the 2nd round. We lost in the regional semifinals that year, one more NCAA win than Cleveland St. I was courtside (thank you again) and it happened right in front of me when they made that buzzer beating 3/4 court shot. Uggh. We should have won that game regardless but that SU team got the experience, focus to become the great 2009-2010 team.

 

[SWC75]

So it's quite possible that G-Town, Uconn and St. John's will all end up with losing seasons (and honestly, we're not far removed). I assume in the JB era, that has never happened.

But it also means that we will have three OOC loses to teams that ended up with losing seasons.

Other than St. John's last season, I can't remember the last time we lost an non conference game to any team that finished under .500...especially at home.

Which one of you lunatics is going to figure out:

A) the last time we lost an OOC game at home to a team that finished with a losing record

B) if we've ever had 2 non conference losses in the same season to teams that finished under .500.

I’ve researched how many losses Syracuse has had to losing teams in its 46 years streak of winning seasons and decided to throw in the even teams at no extra charge. There have bene 32 losses to losers and 6 losses to teams who lost as much as they won.

2/11/72 at Pittsburgh, (who finished 12-12) 99-109
12/28/73 vs. Miami University (13-13) in Charlotte invitational, Charlotte NC 74-96
2/11/74 at West Virginia (10-15) 77-78
1/29/75 at Penn State (11-12) 84-88
2/7/76 at Pittsburgh (12-15) 67-71
2/21/81 at Seton Hall (11-16) 65-66
2/7/83 at Pittsburgh (13-15) 74-85
3/5/83 at Connecticut (12-16) 54-55
1/19/85 Connecticut (13-15) 68-70
2/20/85 at Connecticut (13-15) 69-71
3/2/89 at Boston College (12-17) 87-90
1/21/92 at Villanova (14-15) 60-70
1/28/92 at Providence (14-17) 73-87
3/8/92 Villanova (14-15) 56-76
1/2/93 Villanova (8-19) 61-79
2/6/93 at University of Miami (10-17) 74-81
3/1/95 at St. John’s (14-14) 78-82
1/16/96 at West Virginia (12-15) 78-90
2/20/96 at Seton Hall (12-16) 79-80
2/12/97 at St. John’s (13-14) 87-91
1/13/98 Providence (13-16) 64-76
1/21/98 at Notre Dame (13-14) 63-83
2/7/98 Seton Hall (15-15) 61-85
2/21/98 at Rutgers (14-15) 58-62
12/9/98 at West Virginia (10-19) 59-73
12/12/98 Seton Hall (15-15) 64-80
12/16/01 at Georgia Tech (15-16) 80-96
1/19/02 at Tennessee (15-16) 62-66
1/29/03 at Rutgers (12-16) 65-68 (Yup, the Lamizana shots – the ESPN College Basketball Encyclopedia ranks our team the 9th “worst national champion” of all time because we lost this game.)
3/2/06 at DePaul (12-15) 69-108 (The worst defeat of the Boeheim Era.)
1/9/08 at Cincinnati (13-19) 66-74
2/13/08 at South Florida (12-19) 78-89
1/25/11 Seton Hall (13-18) 68-90
2/19/14 Boston College (8-24) 59-62 (OT)
3/4/14 Georgia Tech (16-17) 62-67
12/2/14 at Michigan (16-16) 65-68
12/5/15 Georgetown (15-18) 72-79
12/13/15 St. John’s (8-24) 72-84

This year we’ve lost to Connecticut (7-10) 50-52, St. John’s (9-11) 60-93 and Boston College (9-9) 81-96. Of course, we don’t yet know what their final records will be.

Twenty Six of our bad losses have bene on the road and one at a neutral court. I don’t see a trend of our worst teams of the era being the ones to lose to bad teams. The 16-13 team of 1981-82 lost all 13 games to teams with winning records. The best team of the Leo Rautins Era the next year lost two games to losers. The 1996-97 NIT team that went 19-13 lost one game to a loser. The 1996 Final Four team lost two such games and the 1998 team that went 26-9 had three of them. The team that most fans consider out most talented, the 1988-89 team that Had Sherman Douglas, Derrick Coleman, Stevie Thompson and Billy Owens even had a loss to a loser.

Here is a ranking of the Top Ten worst losses to non-winning teams, based on the combined number of games they were under .5000 and the margin of defeat:
3/2/06 at DePaul (12-15) 69-108 = -42
1/2/93 Villanova (8-19) 61-79 = -29
12/13/15 St. John’s (8-24) 72-84 = -28
1/25/11 Seton Hall (13-18) 68-90 = -27
2/7/98 Seton Hall (15-15) 61-85 = -24
12/9/98 at West Virginia (10-19) 59-73 = -23
12/28/73 vs. Miami University (13-13) in Charlotte invitational, Charlotte NC 74-96 = -22
3/8/92 Villanova (14-15) 56-76 = -21
1/21/98 at Notre Dame (13-14) 63-83 = -21
2/19/14 Boston College (8-24) 59-62 (OT)

Certainly the most surreal were the DePaul nightmare and a 25-0 #1 ranked team in strange uniforms losing at home to a Boston College team that was 6-19 at the time.