Will there be rioting if Zimmerman is acquitted?

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  1. eao1115

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    Honest question - could the country experience widespread inner city rioting if George Zimmerman is acquitted?
  2. AirForceOrange

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    Not sure about the entire country...sadly, probably in that community at least...

    You know some idiots will use it as an excuse to commit crimes such as breaking into places to steal stuff, vandalism, etc.
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    April 26th, 1992
    There was a riot on the streets
    Tell me where were you?
    You were sittin' home watchin' your TV
    While I was participating in some anarchy
    First spot we hit it was the liquor store
    I finally got all that alcohol I can't afford
    With red lights flashin', time to retire
    And then we turned that liquor store into a structure fire
    Next stop we hit, it was the music shop,
    It only took one brick to make the window drop
    Finally we got our own P.A.
    Where do you think I got this guitar that you're hearing today?
    (Cuz' as long as I'm alive, I'ma live ill B)
    When we returned to the pad to unload everything
    It dawned on me that I need new home furnishings
    So once again we filled the van until it was full
    Since that day my livin' room's been much more comfortable
    Cause everybody in the hood has had it up to here
    It's getting harder, and harder, and harder each and every year
    Some kids went in a store with their mother
    I saw her when she came out she was gettin' some Pampers
    They said it was for the black man
    They said it was for the mexican
    But not for the white man
    But if you look at the streets, it wasn't about Rodney King
    [- From: http://www.elyrics.net -]

    It's this -up situation and these -up police
    It's about comin' up and stayin' on top
    And became 187 on a mother in' cop
    It's ain't in the paper, it's on the wall
    National guard
    Smoke from all around

    (Any unit, any unit...)
    (Homicide, never doing no time)

    Give me my share, my share.
    Gimme my share, I want it.
    Gimme my share, I need it now, I need it now.
    My share.
    A wicked one who doesn't wanna see me go.
    Just gimme my share, I want it. Gimme my share.
    But you don't want to give it to me,
    You don't wanna see me go.
    Gimme my share, I want it, Gimme my share.
    But there is a wicked one.

    (Units be advised of an attempt 211 to arrest now at 938 Temple, 9-3-8
    Temple, many subjects with bats trying to get inside the CB's
    House... they're trying to kill him)

    Let it burn
    Wanna let it burn, wanna let it burn
    Wanna wanna let it burn
    (I feel insane)
    Riots on the streets if Miami
    Whoa, riots on the streets of Chicago
    On the streets of Long Beach
    In San Francisco
    Riots on the streets of Kansas City
    Tuskaloosa, Alabama
    Cleveland, Ohio
    Fountainberry, Paramount, Vista Buelle
    Eugene, Oregon
    Eureka, California
    Hesperia
    Santa Barbara
    Mother in' Nevada
    San Diego
    Lakewood, Florida
    in' 29 Palms
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  5. MidnightJacket

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    This would be my guess as well. The public has a short attention span. Only those most affected by it will still care.
  6. eao1115

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    I hope you're right, but with the Rodney King situation, the incident itself took place on 3/3/91, and the acquittals didn't take place until 4/29/92. The rioting took place after the acquittals. And the riots weren't confined to LA, there was rioting in other cities like Las Vegas and San Francisco, as well.
  7. victor

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    More fundamental question will the verdict be based on the merits of the evidence or the composition of the jury? I was also fairly certain that it would be a hung jury with 12 jurors not so sure with 6.
  8. CuseCPT

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    Yes, but not country wide, is my prediction.
  9. Cowtown

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    Timeless observation from Frank Zappa in 1965 after the Watts riots ...

    "Wednesday I watched the riot, seen the cops out on the street
    Watched 'em throwin' rocks and stuff and chokin' in the heat
    Listened to reports about the whisky passin' 'round
    Seen the smoke and fire and the market burnin' down
    Watch while everybody on his street would take a turn
    To stomp and smash and bash and crash and slash and bust and burn ...

    Well, I seen the fires burnin' and the local people turnin'
    On the merchants and the shops who used to sell their brooms and mops
    And every other household item, watched the mob just turn and bite 'em
    And they say it served 'em right because a few of them are white,
    And it's the same across the nation black and white discrimination
    Yellin' "You can't understand me!" 'n all that other jazz they hand me
    In the papers and TV and all that mass stupidity
    That seems to grow more every day each time you hear some nitwit say
    He wants to go and do you in because the color of your skin
    Just don't appeal to him no matter if it's black or white
    Because he's out for blood tonight ...

    You know we got to sit around at home and watch this thing begin
    But I bet there won't be many live to see it really end
    'Cause the fire in the street ain't like the fire in the heart
    And in the eyes of all these people don't you know that this could start
    On any street in any town in any state if any clown
    Decides that now's the time to fight for some ideal he thinks is right
    And if a million more agree there ain't no Great Society
    As it applies to you and me our country isn't free
    And the law refuses to see if all that you can ever be
    Is just a lousy janitor unless your uncle owns a store
    You know that five in every four just won't amount to nothin' more
    Gonna watch the rats go across the floor and make up songs about being poor."



    Sometimes it seems like not much has changed ...
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    I had to like the hell out of a cowtown post. zappa > sublime
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    It was statistically inevitable. Don't worry, you'll get over it. ;)
  12. eao1115

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    Am I correct that we can drop F bombs on here but the word s-e-x gets auto-corrected?
  13. PeteCalvin

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    Only if the typical rabble rousers like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson turn this into a circus like they did the first time. The bottom line is no one really knows for sure what happened. I don't think Zimmerman went out there with the intent to kill Martin, nor do I think Martin was as innocent in the altercation as many want to believe he was. However, he didn't deserve the fate he met that night either. I think Zimmerman got himself into a situation that escalated beyond what he could handle. I think he was sick of the crime in his neighborhood and did a little too much to combat it. I think he confronted Martin thinking he matched the description of some robbers who had hit a house that same week, the two exchanged heated words, the altercation became physical, they fought, Zimmerman went for his gun and it became a free for all with each guy trying to control the weapon. Zimmerman got control first and pulled the trigger. What if Martin had gotten the gun first? What would the story be then? Would he have pulled the trigger?

    People can argue all they want about race being involved, but that's horse***t. Zimmerman was playing police officer and got in way over his head. Had he not brought the damn gun with him, it would have been nothing more than a fist fight that probably would have been called in to the real cops. He may not have had the balls to stop Martin in the first place.

    Zimmerman is definitely guilty of being stupid. Was it murder? That's up to the jury to decide. It's more likely he would have been easily convicted of manslaughter. If he is acquitted of murder, I certainly hope saner heads will prevail and people won't riot...err...take advantage of the situation to rape and pillage their neighborhoods. They would be no better than Zimmerman.

    I still remember watching Reginald Denny get his brains beat in with bricks because he happened to get cornered on a street where people were "rioting". He just wanted to get through the street corner in his truck. Some hoods decided he had to pay. I think they got mad because he honked his horn and told them to move. Rodney King got beat up by cops who were aquitted and these thugs thought that made it OK to beat an innocent man within an inch of his life? My gosh I hope our society has learned something and progressed since 1992.
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    Man, Zimmerman has gotten really fat. His lawyer claims its because he is under stress. Understandable he's under stress and depressed. But I never understood the concept of being depressed making you eat more.
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    Everybody self medicates differently. Some use drugs, booze, or s e x . Others eat pizza.
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    3 out 4 for me...damn I must be really depressed!!



    Or I just like booze, s ex and pizza...wonder what that would say if I did all three at the same time? Would it be considered a suicide attempt?
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    Difference between liking something and going overboard. For example if you are at the bar every night blowing strange men you might have a problem but if you are only out once a week then you are probably okay.
  18. AirForceOrange

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    Dude...I am so glad my office is still fairly empty...would have had people wondering why tthat idiot in that cubicle is laughing his ass off...again...


    :rolling:
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  19. All4SU

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    I love this post. And I fear we have learned nothing. In fact, I believe we as a "society" (and I use the term VERY loosely) have become even more reactionary, violent and volatile.
  20. AZOrange

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    Zero chance he's acquitted.
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    Not sure about murder...likely convicted for manslaughter...
  22. PeteCalvin

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    I don't think there is enough evidence to prove first degree murder, which is what most of the hardcore race mongering people wanted from the beginning. Is he on trial for first degree murder only or multiple counts? If he's only being tried for first degree, chances are good that he'll walk. If they have him for third degree, or manslaughter and some firearms charge, he'll probably be convicted.

    Sometimes the DA's jump the gun in these high profile cases and try to go for more than they can truly prove.
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  23. PeteCalvin

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    I hope you're wrong but fear you may be right.
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    " The bottom line is no one really knows for sure what happened."

    * Followed by an essay on he thinks what happened *

    "OMG GREAT POST!!"

    Am I missing something?

    Also, "They would be no better than Zimmerman."
    Well, Zimmerman was just stupid. So they'd be stupid too. No harm, no foul. right?
  25. PeteCalvin

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    I stated an opinion of what I think happened based on what I've read. Feel free to share what you think happened. Bottom line is we truly don't know what happened that night. However, I think there is enough evidence to show it wasn't first degree murder and it wasn't a guy out to kill a kid because of his color. People expecting that verdict better be ready for an acquittal.

    And if people "riot" (ie burn stuff, loot, beat people) in the street because they don't like the verdict, whatever it is, they should be tear gassed and taken to jail. We don't need another LA. We don't need another Reginald Denny in the name of "justice".
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    "Bottom line is we truly don't know what happened that night."

    Again.

    Nevermind...
  27. PeteCalvin

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    So I'm not allowed to say what I think happened based on the evidence I have read up to this point? All I stated is that none of us really know for sure, but what has been released thus far certainly doesn't paint the picture of a cold blooded murder. I don't think I'm far off from what they'll find. It certainly has the look of a tragic accident that was caused by some overzealous actions and stupid decisions on the part of Zimmerman. I'm not a lawyer, but that's the way I see it, and I don't think people should pretend to be shocked and outraged if the verdict is not guilty of first degree murder.
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    Well, it's both condescending and arrogant to tell the rest of us that no one really knows what happened while at the same time saying you probably do.
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    Really?! Are you serious? I stated my OPINION. What I said is the logical conclusion I came to based on what has been written about this tragedy so far, after emotion is removed. What exactly was offensive about what I said? I didn't say Martin deserved it or wasn't a tragic victim. I also didn't say Zimmerman was innocent. I just said the whole thing is probably not what it has been portrayed as in the media. People want to make this about race, that Zimmerman was motivated by race. I don't think that was the case. I think his motivation was anger about crime in the area, and I think he made a tragic error in judgment by playing police officer that night. Just my opinion. And what if the shooting had gone the other way, Martin shooting Zimmerman with his own gun? Again, I just posed a question. It could have been twisted terribly and unfairly against Martin, IMHO.

    Arrogant and condescending? I see posts on here everyday that are far worse in that department. If you disagree with me, fine. I don't agree with a lot of other things on this board. My post was not meant to be either.
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  30. AZOrange

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    Second degree. Plus I think merger doctrine would apply.
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    Some of us put all four together at the same time.
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    Yeah, you stated your opinion, which you think isn't that far off from what they'll find. There's nothing wrong with having a take on what happened. The issue is your opinion of your opinion. Your response to everyone else's take was no one really knows what happened. So you come off acting like your opinion is better than everyone else's, regardless of whether or not that was your intention.

    Nothing you said was offensive per se and it doesn't really matter if other people have said worse.
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    I don't think there will be widespread rioting; though I would hope that an acquittal in this case, coupled with the absolutely insane not guilty verdict in the case where the Texas man murdered an escort over $150.00, and the many other deaths arising from "make my day" laws will cause those states to examine those laws. There's a political movement in this country among certain states, largely those controlled by republican governors and legislatures, that values property over life and seems to foster an environment where deadly force is a good first option.

    And this case proves how easy it is when the victim is dead and his murderer gets to use the "he started it defense" even though it is pretty clear Martin was defending himself from crazy stalker Zimmerman.

    Here's some more reading on the tragedy in Texas:

    http://gawker.com/texas-says-its-ok-to-shoot-an-escort-if-she-wont-have-511636423
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/06/ezekiel-gilbert-acquitted-murder-prostitute_n_3398225.html
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  34. PeteCalvin

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    With second degree he might be screwed.
  35. All4SU

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    Exactly. Some people here have a difficult time differentiating between fact and opinion both when they read it and when they post it.

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