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Frank and trevor......

Sure was - wouldn't have happened without him. He played some of the most complete -- and restrained -- basketball of his career during that span.
Yes -- complete because he also began to make moves and finish. Something he could not do (and did not try to do) earlier in his career.

Keep in mind -- Cooney was in his 5th year in the program by the time he played like that. Frank did not have a red-shirt year, and is rather young for a junior (same age as Tyus and Sidibe). Cooney was a shooter earlier in his career, when he was an age similar to Frank now. Frank is the primary ball-handler, contributing 6 assists, as well as scoring 14.7 points per game. Likely has more upside, given his age. Very different players; very different roles. Similar flak from fans.
 
Cooney was frustrating because the coaching staff never had an option to cut back his minutes. His usage rate was too high. Kid never did anything off the court to be unlikable.
Frank is lucky JB is a lot more forgiving than others.
Cooney doesn’t deserve this comp.
Not a TC hater. He played b/c JB didn't have other options, and he contributed despite not having elite (NBA-level) talent. Against UNC he was a man-possessed. Maybe I'm too conservative, but off the court, not perfect:

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I always find it funny when people say they want to mix program kids with 1 and 2 year kids because when the program kids are here they get attached for the things they aren't good at. Then after they are gone we talk exclusively about their 4th or 5th year in our system. Trevor and Frank are no different. They can join Christmas, Southerland, Rautins and whole host of others. I remember people saying it's so frustrating why can't Southerland take it to the hoop. Well if he could drive to go along with his ability to shoot from 3 at 6'8" he would be Carmelo. I remember people talking about Rak leaving the program going into his junior year because we needed to recruit over him as he would never figure it out. Now it seems all people remember is his senior year. Part of having program kids is that they aren't going to give significant contributions year 1 and 2. Then they will do meaningful stuff the last year or two.
 
I always find it funny when people say they want to mix program kids with 1 and 2 year kids because when the program kids are here they get attached for the things they aren't good at. Then after they are gone we talk exclusively about their 4th or 5th year in our system. Trevor and Frank are no different. They can join Christmas, Southerland, Rautins and whole host of others. I remember people saying it's so frustrating why can't Southerland take it to the hoop. Well if he could drive to go along with his ability to shoot from 3 at 6'8" he would be Carmelo. I remember people talking about Rak leaving the program going into his junior year because we needed to recruit over him as he would never figure it out. Now it seems all people remember is his senior year. Part of having program kids is that they aren't going to give significant contributions year 1 and 2. Then they will do meaningful stuff the last year or two.

No doubt. But if I had to pick, I'd rather have the program kids who aren't pro prospects more due to physical limitation than skill deficits. Especially when they're guards - if they've got no shot at the NBA because they've got short arms or no lift or bad foot speed, OK; if it's because they don't really pass or drive to the basket and finish, not so good.

With bigs, especially under Boeheim, give me a guy who knows what to do in the zone and keeps the ball high and is calm with his back to the basket on offense. Bonus if he can shoot with both hands. Heck, even a Baye (who never really mastered the offensive part) is usually good enough on a Boeheim team.
 
I always find it funny when people say they want to mix program kids with 1 and 2 year kids because when the program kids are here they get attached for the things they aren't good at. Then after they are gone we talk exclusively about their 4th or 5th year in our system. Trevor and Frank are no different. They can join Christmas, Southerland, Rautins and whole host of others. I remember people saying it's so frustrating why can't Southerland take it to the hoop. Well if he could drive to go along with his ability to shoot from 3 at 6'8" he would be Carmelo. I remember people talking about Rak leaving the program going into his junior year because we needed to recruit over him as he would never figure it out. Now it seems all people remember is his senior year. Part of having program kids is that they aren't going to give significant contributions year 1 and 2. Then they will do meaningful stuff the last year or two.

The thing is the last year of a Southerland, Rautins, Triche, or Rak are better than the first years of one and dones such as Mal, McCullough, or Donte Greene. I don't think thats debatable.
 
Not a TC hater. He played b/c JB didn't have other options, and he contributed despite not having elite (NBA-level) talent. Against UNC he was a man-possessed. Maybe I'm too conservative, but off the court, not perfect:

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It's funny look at this picture. James Southerland is one of the most likable guys. He is always funny and I think really was liked by everybody. I still remember after the UVA game while he was being interviewed Southerland kissed JB on the top of the head and laughed and everyone was cracking up. I feel like a lot of that had to happen. Guys like that are important. You needs guys that are basketball focused people to keep everyone driving to get better. I would say that is Battle but we don't a universally respected funny break the ice guy. MM is probably the closest thing. If we had I wonder if the Geno thing would have gone different.
 
It's funny look at this picture. James Southerland is one of the most likable guys. He is always funny and I think really was liked by everybody. I still remember after the UVA game while he was being interviewed Southerland kissed JB on the top of the head and laughed and everyone was cracking up. I feel like a lot of that had to happen. Guys like that are important. You needs guys that are basketball focused people to keep everyone driving to get better. I would say that is Battle but we don't a universally respected funny break the ice guy. MM is probably the closest thing. If we had I wonder if the Geno thing would have gone different.

When did we play UVA with Southerland?
 
It's funny look at this picture. James Southerland is one of the most likable guys. He is always funny and I think really was liked by everybody. I still remember after the UVA game while he was being interviewed Southerland kissed JB on the top of the head and laughed and everyone was cracking up. I feel like a lot of that had to happen. Guys like that are important. You needs guys that are basketball focused people to keep everyone driving to get better. I would say that is Battle but we don't a universally respected funny break the ice guy. MM is probably the closest thing. If we had I wonder if the Geno thing would have gone different.

I don't remember that kiss at all, not that I'm disputing it happened. I'll have to see if that's on the youtube. Just the visual in my mind is cracking me up.
 
I don't remember that kiss at all, not that I'm disputing it happened. I'll have to see if that's on the youtube. Just the visual in my mind is cracking me up.
I remember my cousin called me up after the Marquettte game and we were cracking up about Southerland kissing the top of JB’s head in that interview. Hilarious. Even Verne was laughing.
 
Trevor definitely protected the ball better, he was as good a defender, and a better shooter.

Just because frank has better athleticism it does not mean that he does everything better.

And that is not to mention attitude. Trevor had an impeccable attitude.

Trevor also had intangibles Frank hasnt developed yet...such as Cooney Face(tm) and Shaky Potatoes! Love 'em both, go away haters, Go Orange!

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