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No didn't miss the discussion just find them laugable, So he promised Gross he would take nobody from the staff ... sure he did, and it does not matter if its his Alma Mater he was hired to do a job and if that means hiring a coach he is comfortable with here than he should do it or he would...

From the begining I had the number I expected to leave for Buffalo at 4, which would be in line with normal, The 4 I expected would have been the OC, DC, henderson (an NFL guy) & Wheatly, who I was surprised had not left all ready. It is normal for that type turnover and is not "gutting the...

Sorry didn't mean to polute the board with some actual facts but my point is he needs to do his job, and if that means taking coaches he can trust from hereso be it he would not be doing anything the industry does not do regularly. Maybe he will take more but as of now it is 1 maybe 2, enough of...

Can we please stop with the gutting the staff. As of right now Hackett is the only one that went to Buffalo. I know rumors Wheatly may too...but that would be 2 All new coaches have not completed their staff yet, but as of now below are the positions TN & CIN are filling from the new coaches...

That is an old thread he commited to Houston

So if everything we heard is true its 2 coaches we should thank him I thought once announced minimum 3-4

His talk is more than talk, his defense performed... continuity is more than the assistant coaches if Shafer is talking about keeping the same systems and culture I think everyone needs to remember 4 years ago we had small class and got rid of a lot of players I do not believe anyone sees that...

Because people on the board know more than the people making the decisions seems obvious to me :-)

My point is that if DM did them so wrong why in the interviews and preser be so complimentary and praise him so much? If he was such a snake why go out of way to say what great job he did like both SS &TGD did. I think that no one hear really knows how it all went down and again the way they...

This is part of the job because it happens every time.SS seemed very commentary at the preser if it was that bad I would think DM would not have been mentioned let alone praised like he was

So I would assume since you make so much more in your profession than a Bills coach, and you are in the top of your field you will be writing that check to start the IPF in a "heartbeat"

Could it be you heard him say thing you interpreted one way and he meant them another. I have met the man and spoken with him, and I do not feel the way you do. I did and still think he is a man of high character, but no one is perfect and no man could come to Syracuse and satisfy all the fans...

Not so sure you find any that would meet your standards in ciaching

Please list the examples of head coaches that take new head coach positions and take none of their assistants I am sure it happens but just I don't remember any...again extremely nieve not to think he takes the 3 I mentioned earlier

Can you elaborate?

Let me rephrase they should have "assumed" pretty nieve to not think some coaches go with him

Scout has an article but I am too cheap to pay :-)

I think people need to relax ALL HC take assistants with them, u would also expect that the new OC would want his own people just like when DM allowed SS to bring in a couple of his guys. Like I said earlier knowing SS was HC I expected minimum hack, Henderson & Wheat gone I would imagine SS and...

Comparing coaching profession to investment banking not even remotely similar...but let's use your analogy. If u are at top of profession than the comparison would be after DM was at the top of NFL I.e several Super Bowl wins a ton of money in bank etc, but I still

As a person that used to play defense ... I would play for him in a heartbeat

Apples and oranges

https://twitter.com/keonlyn8/status/290631179181359104

We could just give it some time he's been head coach less than a week

Not nice lol

Or did the fan base here what they wanted to hear, or interpret what he said differently than what he was trying to communicate; players seem to be ok https://twitter.com/keonlyn8/status/290631179181359104

G? Fvzx

I expected Hack, Wheatley and Henderson at minimum and do not blame DM or any for going

You mean he isn't in Buffalo saying how can I ruin SU football (sarcasm alert)

Finally the truth

That is why this board is so irritating people say they no facts when very few if any truly have accurate information and some claim to have information but only really have an agenda which is really weird considering this is a college football message board

I think the key is you don't know, and you don't know when that changed or why and how it happened

Because if he grabbed him immidiately ZA would have stayed? I do not think so especially if we do not have an OC because he is unavailable for some reason, if it is just trying to decide and come up with deal that is another story

So because he thought the uncertainty of the coaching staff was a risk to his future he chose to do what is best for his future? If any program puts that much stock in an 18 year old 2 to 3 star recruit, they need to fire every one involved. He did what he felt best for him, SU will be fine. And...

My point was that everyone does not commit to the coaches some do commit to the school and the program, and the fact that someone said that about SU where it is in the rebuild I think says something about the integrity of how the program is being rebuilt

As of now we lost 1 redruit, and DM did nothing to us except make the program go from laughing stock to respectable

Opportunities don't always come every year, sometimes an opportunity opens up quicker than you expect, and you have to take the chance

I know how you feel when I was 12 my girlfriend cheated on me and I wrote her a dooosey, but than I turned 13 and learned that sometimes things happen can we grow up, he took a promotion, apparently those in the top league of football actually think he is a good coach, unlike some on this board

Wayne Williams said he commited to SU & SU Football

But Gross said Doug was comunicating all along, you do not know how things went down, so don't pretend you do

As of now how many coaches did he take? I think 1, how many head coaches take a new head coach position and do not take any from old staff...I would say that is rare. So your solution is to lead kids on to think OC is still hear until after they sign and than anounce, that is far more sleezy...

Man some of you guys bring bipolar to a new level maybe hex-polar

Just because you guys on the board feel like jilted lovers, my understanding is the players love him and are happy for him, there may be a few, but I think they all have a lot of respect for coach and can understand his opportunity

The sucession plan is the AD's job

I would welcome him back in a heart beat

Thankful he came because it was his hard work and leadership that turned the program around. We will be fine just need to make the right hires. Maybe ergo heavier JUCOS next 2 years a to make up, but we will be very strong on D, need a QB, maybe Charlie maybe Wilson... The program will be fine...

Look we all need to lighten up. It is a big deal we lost a very good head coach an up and coming OC, and one of the better recruits we almost landed. Short term it's awful. If we make the right hires and land an ok class this year to keep our numbers up we should be ok long term when you wake...

ESPN has its own agenda and generally speaking SU football ain't on it. I hate ESPN only watch games there

A new fo of torture shaferboarding

You guys are ridiculous he has been grooming him from day 1. He took him because he thinks he can do the job as OC that fulfills the vision he has for the offense. If he feels he is the best guy for the job (and a lot of NFL guys think its a good choice) he needs to hire him for him to be...

I think the deal Hacket was going to sign was OC with raise, not HC