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What I like about 100 miles is that it’s pretty reflective of what kind of area each school is in. It’s not perfect, of course. If you go by state boundary, that gives Florida State credit for a lot of its players coming from Miami. (It currently has many.) Miami is about the same number of...

Are you incapable of understanding nuance? First of all, I say in my initial post "100 miles is arbitrary" because you can't run Excel calculations saying "vibes", so I picked a number that made sense to me and ran it by non-Cuse football friends to get a sense of what their opinion would be...

1) What does pro sports have to do with anything in this conversation, other than it makes people not care about college sports and therefore have little awareness about various nuances regarding different teams? 2) "Most schools with a roster over 50% from 300+ miles faired worse than those...

Who was the Maryland lax player who won a Nattie for Ferris State as their QB like 2 years ago?

"Syracuse has to do this but other schools don't." You saying that doesn't convince me I'm "losing anything." My data shows there isn't a single approach that coaches follow or need to follow, especially when you arbitrarily start saying "well these schools don't need to because of X, Y, or Z."...

Define "Back Yard." To me, "Back Yard" is go up to 50 people who follow college football and most will tell you their team is Syracuse. That is, the school is top of mind among the locals. That's where the "local" advantage comes from - a lifelong desire to play for the "local" school because a...

Again, the numbers suggest there’s no connection between where your players come from and winning. This is not an instruction guide for “Syracuse should go here to recruit and they’ll replicate the performance of school X.” UNC and NC State each have ~35 local players. They don’t seem to look...

It was raised on another thread that all teams start roster construction and get specific skill sets from outside areas. It got me thinking - is this true? Is there a standard template for how to build a team? I aggregated 2023 rosters - including name, position, and hometown - for all ACC...

I'd assume the structure of the terracing is borderline too narrow for modern standards and the wider seats would need to jut back into the aisle behind to support the extra buttressing needed to keep them in place. Plus, the armrests would take away space in the opposite direction. This is the...

What do you mean “at this point?” I started this way. I’m tired of Syracuse fans using the same talking points over and over and over and over again. The “gotta hammer the NE” trope is tired and doesn’t match reality, but a bunch of loud people who sat in freezing weather at Archbald think it’s...

Syracuse's region is Upstate NY, and the HS football in Upstate NY produces few prospects. Syracuse has long been at a disadvantage because of it. You can delude yourself all you want that Syracuse's "backyard" is New Jersey or Philadelphia or Connecticut, when only wealthy kids from wealthy...

Where have I said "we shouldn't be recruiting there?" Please, point to the exact passage. My whole point is that you seem to think "recruiting better in NYC and NJ will magically make the team better." It's recruiting better that will improve the team. Full stop. The rest is just some weird...

So, first of all, I was pointing out in my post that Michigan, Notre Dame, and Penn State don't recruit NY and NJ nearly as much as the poster implying. Second of all, don't put words in my mouth. I've made it very clear what I'm arguing, and if this is your takeaway, that's on you.

Did you stop to think for two seconds what possible reason I would have for not wanting to recruit blue chip players?

What does that have to do with anything I said?

What do you consider "our backyard?" Upstate NY? There have been 18 P4 commits out of the whole state above Rockland and Westchester between 2019 - 2024. That's like 3 commits a year - not something you can rely on, even if you get them all. NYC? Rutgers is 40 miles away and Penn State...

The point of my objection is that I think the "if we recruit better in NY and NJ, we'll win" mindset is outdated at best and misguided at worst. There's lots of evidence to suggest that "if we recruit better in NY and NJ, we'll win" is not correct! I am genuinely puzzled by the "getting better...

You're looking at this as a coach who knows players who have moved on to play in college and take a lot of pride in that. I am looking at this strictly as data points.

Your argument is "it worked under Pasqualoni, so therefore it will work again"? So much has changed since then. Demographic shifts, the rise of 7-on-7, exposure factories like IMG, HUDL, internet recruiting databases / ranking sites, and more teams in Cuse's so-called "backyard." The little...

I'm realizing the argument you're trying to make is "winning consistently has to start close to home." I'm going to look into the numbers on that because I don't know if it's that simple. (Look at the Schiano Rutgers redux, for example.)

I'm pulling some hard numbers on roster construction to put my argument to the test. I will post it, regardless of whether I'm right or wrong.

Diggs lines up at TE. Look for blue pants and a white #10 pinnie.

Fran Brown was at Baylor for 2 years and Georgia for 2 years. And yet he still has strong coaching ties ties to New Jersey.

My argument is not "it doesn't matter if we don't recruit locally." And it is definitely not "we shouldn't recruit locally." My argument is "Cuse's lack of success over the last 20 year is not correlated to where the players are recruited from." There's a big difference.

If you NEED to have parents within driving distance, then how are all of the examples I've posted in this thread of players going to schools not within driving distance of home also true? Why do you need to get on a plane to have a good relationship with someone, when Zoom and FaceTime and text...

But like you said - there's a hundred things that happen to make a winner.

I'm not questioning the recruiting philosophy of the staff. And I very much understand there's a million factors that go into this. I'm specifically calling out the crowd on here who think there's a correlation between winning and where the players are recruited from.

This is a truism, but the key to getting the best players you can (and those who fit your scheme) is recruiting well. But what you're talking about, the Babers cast-a-net approach vs. the Brown relationships approach, are just that - approaches. And thus far, it seems Brown and Co are doing...

The prevailing argument of the board seems to be "We need to recruit in the Northeast." Which, we do. And we always have. But there seems to be this continuous narrative that recruiting the Northeast harder will make Cuse a winner again. When asked for explanation, the reasons why Syracuse...

The key is to get the best players. Where they come from is immaterial. Proximity to home is just a recruiting angle.

And there-in lies my point. That's a false correlation. You can win with talent from anywhere and everywhere. And you can get talent in numerous ways. Sure, some of Cuse's issues have been talent related. But you can't specifically connect losing records with where players went to high school...

Saying "all knowledge is on my side and you need to do the work to prove you are wrong" isn't much of an argument.

Just an example - The 2024 Top 50 players in NJ are going to 29 different FBS or FCS schools. So let's stop with this belief that only certain states are picked over - recruiting is a national game. Also, of the Top 50 from NJ, at least 18 are going to schools at the edge of or outside that 6...

So you're just waving your hand to an extremely vague and loose mixture of theories to generalize what needs to be done when every school in CFB has their own unique sets of challenges and opportunities in recruiting?

Why though? People say this like it's carved in stone. I think it's great that Coach Fran is focusing on the NE - that seems to be something Wildhack is targeting, and Brown is off to one heck of a start. But "Cuse has to recruit successfully close to home to be successful" in and of itself...

This isn't a Syracuse-specific argument, but Boise State has feasted for decades on under-recruited talent out of California, West Virginia pre-Big XII was built around studs out of Florida, Washington St under Leach was all guys out of California and Florida, Utah and BYU use religious connects...

No college coach is going to take the Atletico Bilboa approach of limiting their roster to a specific regionality just for the sake of identity. It's a relationships game - Brown has them in the general region and is working them. Marrone did the same thing (via Anselmo). It's also a...

Recent alum.

"Blazing Saddles could NEVER be made today!" /s

Don't forget that our HC and both coordinators worked under Rhule for at least 4 seasons.

Hitting an arbitrary benchmark isn't proof of anything. And I don't need to chill. I just need to stop posting here,

What does that have to do at all with what I said? I shared that "his evaluation, from what I've been told, will likely take a knock because he plays in a private school league." You pointing to a 4 star rating to prove a point doesn't make what I said wrong. In fact, it's just annoying. I...

I never said he wasn't going to be noticed.

So you're saying you know best? I'm passing along something someone who knows more about Texas HS football politics than you or me does. I never said, "He got this rating because..." I'm saying I was told guys in Texas get dinged evaluation-wise for playing at private schools.

I'm passing on information that someone who knows more about these things than I do told me. Do with it what you want.

And 247 has him as our lowest ranked commit.

To be extremely clear, this is not my position. Just explaining a viewpoint. That said, I'm assuming this is where the question of opposing talent / issue with private school in Texas comes in. Talent in Texas doesn't flock to private schools like they do in NYC, NJ, Chicago, etc. So is he...

Don't count on it with Carney. A friend of mine has ties to the Texas recruiting evaluation scene - he told me there's a bias against private school players (both by schools and recruiting sites) in Texas because they're not playing in the extremely competitive public school leagues.

Same high school as Zaire Franklin (among other noteworthy but not as immediately relevant alums).

Averaged 29 attempts a game last season, and he had Marvin Harrison Jr. as a target.