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19-0 -- what does it mean?

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Before the season started, I made a comparison / prediction between this year's squad and the 1999-2000 team, in that we were returning a bunch of talent from a team that seemed to underachieve, but could really be formidable if a couple of things fell into place and the returning players took their games up a notch.

The 1999-2000 team entered that year coming off of a disappointing season where we were literally the first team eliminated from the NCAA tournament, but were returning a bunch of starters who were perceived as not quite being good enough for the team to be elite. There was actually quite a division on the boards about that group of players--and whether or not it was a "good" thing that the nucleus of that team was returning, given the subpar results of the previous year.

I'm not suggesting that the personnel perfectly match up between the two years [for example, one major difference is that the 1999-2000 had a pretty good inside player in Etan Thomas who was a more consistent low post threat than Fab].

But there are a lot of similarities between this year's squad and the 1999-2000 team. Both were quarterback by a much maligned PG who was perceived by some as being a liability.

Both teams featured rotations that were well outside the Boeheim standard 7.5 [the 1999-2000 team played 9 guys for most of the year, with Shumpert, Deshaun, Griffin, and Celuck on the bench].

Both teams featured pretty good outside shooting.

Both teams had the benefit of a lot of scoring pop off of the bench.

And both teams started out 19-0.

The 1999-2000 team's core nucleus came back, and the seniors who hadn't gotten the job done the previous year made incremental improvements in their game that made both them and the team much more effective. This year's team returned four starters, and all have elevated their level of play--including the two seniors.

The key difference in my mind is that the 1999-2000 team lacked a transcendent talent. We had some very good players--including two NBA journeymen types in Hart / Thomas, but no true superstar. Before this season started, I would have completely agreed that this condition would be applicable to this year's team, as well, but I think Dion Waters is beginning to demonstrate that he might be the superstar / transcendent talent that could put the team over the top.

19-0 is an incredible place to be. I remember how much fun the 1999-2000 season was [including how disappointing it was to lose to Seton Hall, ending that winning streak]. That team finished well in the regular season and ended up having a nice run in the NCAA tournament--running into a buzzsaw having to play eventual NCAA champion MSU in Detroit [a game I attended with my dad]. But despite that disappointing ending, it was a helluva season--a very special year to root for the Orangemen. But that team couldn't finish the job after the great start, and take the season to the next level.

Obviously, this team's story is still being written. But when I look at how the season has gone so far, and what this team is poised to accomplish, I'm reminded that dream seasons like this [and 1999-2000] don't come along very often. I've thoroughly enjoyed the ride so far--and the rise to #1--and I can't wait to see what heights this team is capable of achieving the rest of the way.

Looking forward to seeing us dismantle Pitt tonight, which would accomplish both getting that monkey off of our back and setting a new "record" for the team starting 20-0.

What a ride it has been so far!

Let's Go Orange!!!
 
The key difference in my mind is that the 1999-2000 team lacked a transcendent talent. We had some very good players--including two NBA journeymen types in Hart / Thomas, but no true superstar. I thought that this condition would hold true for this year's team, as well, but I think Dion Waters is beginning to demonstrate that he might be the superstar / transcendent talent that could put the team over the top.

Let's Go Orange!!!

This...I also think the base level of talent on this team is much much higher and others around us are much much lower. On those teams, I never felt like we had good "basketball players". We had some athletic guys, some guys that could shoot, some guys that could block shots. But there simply is no comparison between Billy Celuck and Baye. Or Shumpert and Dion. Even our guys like Hart I feel were much less ballers than counterparts like Scoop. Our players now are just much more dynamic.
 
Nice post. Funny that you mention that comparison, because before last season I predicted that our 2010-2011 would unfold a lot like 1998-1999 did. We'd be inconsistent, lose some frustrating ones, and blow out some good teams. We'd also have a shot to be great this year.

I wasn't bold enough to follow up on that this summer. It's been going pretty well so far, so I'm going to continue to avoid the comparisons.
 
Shumpert, DeShaun, Celuck and Griffin vs. Dion, Keita, Southerland, CJ and MCW

If you only knew the bench difference and didn't compare other intangibles, I would conclude that the 11-12 Orange would beat the 99-00 Orangemen by 25.
 
I actually think last year's team is a better comparison to the 99-00 team.

10-11 team started off 18-0 before hitting a bit of a skid (finished the season 9-8), losing 4 in a row a one point, before going into the NCAAt as a 3 seed. Of course, we got upset by 11 seed Marquette, but it wasn't a giant upset as they had beaten us earlier in the year. We were led by a solid, but not spectacular low post player in Rick Jackson, similar to Etan Thomas in 00.

99-00 started off 19-0 before faltering down the stretch (7-6 to end the season). They entered the NCAAt as a 4 seed, but performed well, imo.

This season is different because we have the majority of pieces back from last year, and a great number of them have improved.
 
I actually think last year's team is a better comparison to the 99-00 team.

Agree with this. If my memory is correct, 99-00 won ugly a lot, much like last year (especially early).

11-12 is a thing of beauty so far.
 
I always thought that in 99-00 when we were 19-0 that were were a little overrated and our annual swoon was coming. Even when we made the NCAA's I never had that warm fuzzy feeling like we would make a run (even though at halftime against MSU I was changing my tune). With this team I have that feeling.
 

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