1996 Syracuse vs. Virginia Tech
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orangenirvana
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I miss Syracuse games on CBS. Always felt like an event.
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Nantz doing college football. Weird.
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Tebucky Jones was bigger than any RB we have now, and faster too. Athletic freak. Then the next year he plays safety and makes the NFL. Go to an hour in and watch what I mean.
A lot of interesting things watching these old games. Thomas, a really good back, gets hurt and in come McIntosh and Jones. Those were the days. McNabb was so dangerous at all times. Gadson and Abrams at the corners were studs. Fun to watch. Plus you get a little classic P with the time out on an extra point. 20 years ago is a long time but with all the upheaval in college football, all the new offenses, and the struggles we've had -- that feels like it could be 50 years ago
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McNabb's fake option pitch and then the juke on the 72 yard run were amazing. His ability to make huge plays out of nowhere was incredible.
So many future first round/early 2nd round picks out there making plays...McNabb, Konrad, Darius, Abrams, Bulluck, Jones, Johnson. The line really did a job on the Hokies that day too.
So many future first round/early 2nd round picks out there making plays...McNabb, Konrad, Darius, Abrams, Bulluck, Jones, Johnson. The line really did a job on the Hokies that day too.
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I hope he didn't use..."hello friends " for football
Brent and Keith on abc were always my fav.
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A few years ago I did a study of how many SU lettermen later played in the pros, were drafted or signed as free agents and what teams they earned their letters on. It was a way measuring changes in the talent level. I may update it this fall but here's what I came up with in the McNabb Era, the richest we've ever had for talent:
1995 (24) Record: 9-3-0
Kevin Abrams, DB
Antonio Anderson, DL
Dana Cottrell, LB
Jeff Danish, DL
Donovin Daruis, Safety
Stan Gibbs, LB
Marvin Harrison, WR
Nate Hemsley, LB
Tebucky Jones, DB
Scott Kiernan, OL
Rob Konrad, FB
Deon Maddox, WR
Orlindo Mare, kicker
Donovan McNabb, QB
Phil Nash, DB
Antwaune Ponds, LB
Sean Reali, punter
Kaseem Sinceno, TE
Malcolm Thomas, RB
Jim Turner, WR
Anthony Walker, DB
Brent Warren, OL
Roland Williams, TE
Sir Mawn Wilson, WR
1996 (28) Record: 9-3-0
Kevin Abrams, DB
Antonio Anderson, DL
Steve Brominsky, TE
Keith Bullock, LB
Dana Cottrell, LB
Darryl Daniels, WR
Jeff Danish, DL
Donovin Daruis, Safety
Stan Gibbs, LB
Nate Hemsley, LB
Kevin Johnson, WR
Tebucky Jones, DB
Scott Kiernan, OL
Rob Konrad, FB
Deon Maddox, WR
Donovan McNabb, QB
Ian McIntosh, safety
Phil Nash, DB
Antwaune Ponds, LB
Sean Reali, punter
Kaseem Sinceno, TE
Quinton Spotswood, WR
Malcolm Thomas, RB
Nate Trout, kicker
Jim Turner, WR
Anthony Walker, DB
Brent Warren, OL
Roland Williams, TE
1997 (28) Record: 9-4-0
Will Allen, CB
Mark Baniewicz, OT
Steve Brominsky, TE
Dee Brown, RB
Keith Bullock, LB
Darryl Daniels, WR
Jeff Danish, DL
Donovin Daruis, Safety
Stan Gibbs, LB
Morlon Greenwood, LB
Kevin Johnson, WR
Tebucky Jones, DB
Scott Kiernan, OL
Rob Konrad, FB
Jeff Lowe, WR
Donovan McNabb, QB
Ian McIntosh, safety
Phil Nash, DB
Jeff Pilon, guard
Jason Poles, DB
Antwaune Ponds, LB
Kaseem Sinceno, TE
Quinton Spotswood, WR
Nick Sudano, FB
Nate Trout, kicker
Jim Turner, WR
Brent Warren, OL
Roland Williams, TE
1998 (35) Record: 8-4-0
PJ Alexander, OT
Will Allen, CB
Mark Baniewicz, OT
Mathieu Beaudoin, tackle
Steve Brominsky, TE
Dee Brown, RB
Keith Bullock, LB
Charles Burton, LB
David Byrd, DB
Darryl Daniel, WR
Eric Downing, DT
Willie Ford DB
Dwight Freeney, DE
Stan Gibbs, LB
Morlon Greenwood, LB
Quentin Harris, DB
Maurice Jackson, WR
Kevin Johnson, WR
Scott Kiernan, OL
Rob Konrad, FB
Jeff Lowe, WR
Donovan McNabb, QB
Ian McIntosh, safety
James Mungro, RB
Phil Nash, DB
Sean O’Connor, guard
Duke Pettijohn, FB/LB
Jeff Pilon, guard
Marc Pilon, DL
Jason Poles, DB
Richie Simpkins, OL/DL
Quinton Spotswood, WR
Nick Sudano, FB
Nate Trout, kicker
Pat Woodcock, WR
Ugh...I remember when my 49ers drafted him. What a bust!
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Thank you, watched it in its entirety. Completely worth it. It seems like yesterday I was watching those guys, how fast 20 years goes by.
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Isn't he a goat herder or some stuff now. I think they talked about him in the 30 for 30 with Tommy Brady. I'm thinking of someone else, Gino Carmazzi maybe?
That's a really interesting compilation. I found this link that just gives you who was drafted or signed as a free agent by year of their graduation/departure (link). I'm sure, SWC, that you are well aware of this link but what I found interesting was how few guys were actually drafted in the first three or four rounds (Harrison alone in 96, Anderson and Abrams in 97, Jones, Darius and Roland Williams in 98, Mcnabb, Johnson and Konrad in 99, Bullock in 00).
The point in looking at that is that it underscores how important it is to pack a roster full of good football players -- regardless of whether or not they end up being big time pros. As cool as it is to land big time recruits (the 3 star LB commitment this week, for example), what will make or break this staff (at least until we are winning a ton of games and putting up a ton of points) is how well they do landing kids like Phil Nash, Rod Gadson, Nate Hemsley, JR Johnson, Jason Poles, et. al. Not huge commits, not long, prosperous NFL careers, but really quality college football players that can help you win games.
This isn't to say we haven't had those kids in the past 20 years or so, but we need a ton of them. Injuries happen at absurd rates these days and the ability to replace a Kyle McIntosh with a Dee Brown is essential. You also need to be able to sign a kid under the radar and develop that kid from a good athlete into a really good football player.
In short, we all get excited over the Tommy DeVitos and Nadarius Fagans (and hopefully for good reason), but what this staff is able to do with in terms of finding and developing guys like Keirston Johnson and Kadeem Trotter is going to be extremely interesting.
Still can't decide if P should be applauded for all of that talent he managed to bring in or canned because he wasn't able to win more than 9 wins during any of McNabb's 4 years.
NJ talent was the best kept secret in college football until about 2004.
NJ talent was the best kept secret in college football until about 2004.
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Thomas' fumble was not a fumble. He still had the ball tucked in his arm when he landed. Ball came loose after he went to the ground. TBuck's was a fumble.
What cost the game was three McNabb int's and a dropped TD by Deon Maddox. Minny need a career high 50+ FG at the gun to win by two.
Giovanni Carmazzi from Hofstra.
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They showed a stat at one point, we were something like 225 - 1 when scoring 30+ points. (The 1 was that terrible loss to Minnesota)
What do 30 points get you these days?
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Love how McNabb got down field and did a little blocking!
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I always thought it was crazy that he was so big and fast and still didn't work out at RB. I suppose it speaks to the unmeasureable "it" that is necessary to be good at the position.
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I am of this era, and I can't really bad mouth these teams or their coaches, but I what I am thinking more and more through the lense of time is that; yes we were VERY talented, and no, it wasn't really Coach P. Coach P was a mediocre recruiter who recruited good sized kids and found some diamonds in our region (you're right, NJ has been discovered). We were not the fastest team out there (Miami was) but we were fast enough and creative enough, and talented enough. In reality you can see wins and talent start to decline as soon as he was fully distanced from Mac's teams. P took over in what 1991? He and we had sustained success and with that he was able to bring in fans, and talent (we keep saying that's what we need now, you can see what it does for you just by looking at this). McNabb was on campus in 1994/1995 as a RS Frosh. Harrison was here a year earlier, Darius and T Jones were on campus in 1993 I think as well. I don't think he was ever able to replicate that early recruiting success and I think that was residual of the success that SU had under Mac, that P sustained with Mac's recruits. Also consider the optics then and the image of SU. In the early 90's the idea of the black QB was still an unjustifiably contentious one. SU seemed to embrace the idea that a good QB is a good QB and race was not an issue. What else would you expect from the alma mater of Jim Brown and Ernie Davis? We went from Don McPherson to Marvin Graves to Kevin Mason, and yes I think that may have had an influence on Donovan McNabb. He landed some great players as time went on, but I think the drop off was apparent by 2000. He could not sustain the success and that effected recruiting (and vice versa). I don't think P was bad, but I don't think I can give him full credit for his first successes. Babers will be self made.
