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I thought I'd look at past seasons where Syracuse started out 3-0:

source: Syracuse Historical Scores

1890 We went 4-4 the rest of the way = 7-4
1901 + 4-2 = 7-2
1902 + 3-2-1 = 6-2-1
1903 + 2-4 = 5-4
1905 + 5-3 = 8-3
1913 + 3-4 = 6-4
1916 + 2-4 = 5-4
1918 + 2-1 = 5-1
1919 + 5-3 = 8-3
1920 + 3-2-1 = 6-2-1
1921 + 4-2 = 7-2
1922 + 3-1-2 = 6-1-2
1923 + 5-1 = 8-1
1924 + 5-2-1 = 8-2-1
1925 + 5-1-1 = 8-1-1
1926 + 4-2-1 = 7-2-1
1927 + 2-3-2 = 5-3-2
1928 + 1-4-1 = 4-4-1
1930 + 2-2-2 = 5-2-2
1931 + 4-1-1 = 7-1-1
1933 + 1-4 = 4-4
1934 + 3-2 = 6-2
1935 + 3-1-1 = 6-1-1
1937 + 2-2-1 = 5-2-1
1938 + 2-3 = 5-3
1942 + 3-3 = 6-3
1959 + 8-0 = 11-0
1960 + 4-2 = 7-2
1967 + 5-2 = 8-2
1975 + 3-5 = 6-5
1987 + 8-0-1 = 11-0-1
1991 + 7-2 = 10-2
2015 + 1-8 = 4-8
2018 + 7-3 = 10-3
2022 + ??? = ???

Prior to World War II, Syracuse, like a lot of schools, would open the season with 2-3 games against small colleges, (we are 15-0 vs. Clarkson, 10-3 vs. Hamilton - 1890-92 - 25-0 vs. Hobart and 11-0 vs. Niagara). The record after their first three games, which is when they started to play what was then known as 'big time' opposition, is their 'real' record. Since the war we've been 3-0 only nine times. The 1959 and 1987 teams, of course, ran the table. The 1960 team got to 5-0. 1991 and 2018 got to 4-0. 1967, 1975 and 2015 lost game 4. Scott Shafer's team, which started 3-0, then lost 8 games in a row is the only 3-0 SU team to have wound up with a losing record. If we can beat Virginia, we're a cinch to get to 5-0, since Wagner is probably the worst team we've played since those pre-war warm-up teams. That would put us up there with '59, '60 and '87. (In the pre-war era, 1902, 1923, 1924, 1925, 1931, 1934, 1935 and 1942 also made it to 5-0 with a leg up from those early teams.)
 
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The Virginia game is enormous from a historical perspective but overlooked in all this is - we'd be guaranteed to be undefeated for another 3 weeks after that game. That's 3 weeks we could enjoy without the nerves that accompany game week/day. 3 weeks of increasing national exposure. Talk of trying to sell-out the Dome for NC St is a lot more interesting than discussing fifty shades of blue on Ticketmaster.

Friday night is huge. Let's play well. get out of this game without any more season-ending injuries. Let's get Tuck back on track.
 

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This game has massive implications

We win, we are relevant on a national stage. We would be one of the only teams in the nation with 3 wins against P5 opponents.

We lose, everyone is going to say it’s the same old same old Syracuse football program.

Hopefully the fans bring it tomorrow, we’ve got a doozy!!
 

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This game has massive implications

We win, we are relevant on a national stage. We would be one of the only teams in the nation with 3 wins against P5 opponents.

We lose, everyone is going to say it’s the same old same old Syracuse football program.

Hopefully the fans bring it tomorrow, we’ve got a doozy!!
frankly, it's similar to what we said about the Purdue game. let's get it done and in easier fashion this time, please! 5-0 is a big difference from 4-1, just 1 win from a bowl with a daunting(albeit not quite as daunting as we thought) schedule the last 7 games, 5-0 likely gets us ranked, etc etc. I think UVA will end up getting their offensive act together at some point, but catching them now and in a short week should help.
 

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I thought I'd look at past seasons where Syracuse started out 3-0:

source: Syracuse Historical Scores

1890 We went 4-4 the rest of the way = 7-4
1901 + 4-2 = 7-2
1902 + 3-2-1 = 6-2-1
1903 + 2-4 = 5-4
1905 + 5-3 = 8-3
1913 + 3-4 = 6-4
1916 + 2-4 = 5-4
1918 + 2-1 = 5-1
1919 + 5-3 = 8-3
1920 + 3-2-1 = 6-2-1
1921 + 4-2 = 7-2
1922 + 3-1-2 = 6-1-2
1923 + 5-1 = 8-1
1924 + 5-2-1 = 8-2-1
1925 + 5-1-1 = 8-1-1
1926 + 4-2-1 = 7-2-1
1927 + 2-3-2 = 5-3-2
1928 + 1-4-1 = 4-4-1
1930 + 2-2-2 = 5-2-2
1931 + 4-1-1 = 7-1-1
1933 + 1-4 = 4-4
1934 + 3-2 = 6-2
1935 + 3-1-1 = 6-1-1
1937 + 2-2-1 = 5-2-1
1938 + 2-3 = 5-3
1942 + 3-3 = 6-3
1959 + 8-0 = 11-0
1960 + 4-2 = 7-2
1967 + 5-2 = 8-2
1975 + 3-5 = 6-5
1987 + 8-0-1 = 11-0-1
1991 + 7-2 = 10-2
2015 + 1-8 = 4-8
2018 + 7-3 = 10-3
2022 + ??? = ???

Prior to World War II, Syracuse, like a lot of schools, would open the season with 2-3 games against small colleges, (we are 15-0 vs. Clarkson, 10-3 vs. Hamilton - 1890-92 - 25-0 vs. Hobart and 11-0 vs. Niagara). The record after their first three games, which is when they started to play what was then known as 'big time' opposition, is their 'real' record. Since the war we've been 3-0 only nine times. The 1959 and 1987 teams, of course, ran the table. The 1960 team got to 5-0. 1991 and 2018 got to 4-0. 1967, 1975 and 2015 lost game 4. Scott Shafer's team, which started 3-0, then lost 8 games in a row is the only 3-0 SU team to have wound up with a losing record. If we can beat Virginia, we're a cinch to get to 5-0, since Wagner is probably the worst team we've played since those pre-war warm-up teams. That would put us up there with '59, '60 and '87. (In the pre-war era, 1902, 1923, 1924, 1925, 1931, 1934, 1935 and 1942 also made it to 5-0 with a leg up from those early teams.)
So if my scanning skills are up to snuff, we’ve only had ONE losing season when starting out 3-0. Unfortunately that season was 2015.
 

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I'm wondering how many times in the last 65 years we have been 5-0. That is on the table. Obviously we were in '59 and '87
 

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I'm wondering how many times in the last 65 years we have been 5-0. That is on the table. Obviously we were in '59 and '87

"The 1959 and 1987 teams, of course, ran the table. The 1960 team got to 5-0. 1991 and 2018 got to 4-0. 1967, 1975 and 2015 lost game 4."
 

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awesome, so under current bowl eligibility rules, every one of those SU teams would go bowling so to speak. except for Cigar Boy's swan song "We're 3-0!" team. that figures.
Shafer's 3-0 was so soft. Didn’t it include a lucky OT win vs. Villanova and the missed extra point they called good vs. a directional Michigan team? And I think the 3rd was vs. Wake while Clawson started rebuilding.
 

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Shafer's 3-0 was so soft. Didn’t it include a lucky OT win vs. Villanova and the missed extra point they called good vs. a directional Michigan team? And I think the 3rd was vs. Wake while Clawson started rebuilding.
So the equivalent of a Rutgers 3-0 then?
 

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Shafer's 3-0 was so soft. Didn’t it include a lucky OT win vs. Villanova and the missed extra point they called good vs. a directional Michigan team? And I think the 3rd was vs. Wake while Clawson started rebuilding.
No it was very soft, but the Villanova game was 2014 and we escaped against Central Michigan in OT, but there was no blown extra point call, that was Toledo in 2011. Either way, yes, way soft!
 

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No it was very soft, but the Villanova game was 2014 and we escaped against Central Michigan in OT, but there was no blown extra point call, that was Toledo in 2011. Either way, yes, way soft!
Thanks for clarifying. All the years run together for me especially the last 2 forgettable years of Shafer. That guy was in way over his head. He was an embarrassment for cursing out Swinney when they rightfully went for a TD way ahead near the end of a 1st half and Shafer said a lot of stupid things in press conferences.
 

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Shafer's 3-0 was so soft. Didn’t it include a lucky OT win vs. Villanova and the missed extra point they called good vs. a directional Michigan team? And I think the 3rd was vs. Wake while Clawson started rebuilding.

No it was very soft, but the Villanova game was 2014 and we escaped against Central Michigan in OT, but there was no blown extra point call, that was Toledo in 2011. Either way, yes, way soft!

Thanks for clarifying. All the years run together for me especially the last 2 forgettable years of Shafer. That guy was in way over his head. He was an embarrassment for cursing out Swinney when they rightfully went for a TD way ahead near the end of a 1st half and Shafer said a lot of stupid things in press conferences.

From the link I provided:


2015-Syracuse (ACC)

9/4 vs. Rhode Island (non-IA) W 47 0
9/12 vs. *Wake Forest (3-9) W 30 17
9/19 vs. Central Michigan (7-6) W 30 27
9/26 vs. Louisiana State (9-3) L 24 34
10/10 @ South Florida (8-5) L 24 45
10/17 @ *Virginia (4-8) L 38 44
10/24 vs. *Pittsburgh (8-5) L 20 23
10/31 @ *Florida State (10-3) L 21 45
11/7 @ *Louisville (8-5) L 17 41
11/14 vs. *Clemson (14-1) L 27 37
11/21 @ *North Carolina State (7-6) L 29 42
11/28 vs. *Boston College (3-9) W 20 17

4-8-0 (327-372)

It was kind of a snake bit team. It was a weak 3-0 but 3-0 nonetheless. We gave both LSU and Clemson all they could handle, (I think Mahoney was our QB in both), lost to Virginia on a horrible "was his arm going forward?" call, lost by a field goal to Pitt and gave NC State a good battle. The Louisville game might have cost Shafer his job: he and his OC couldn't even agree on why they left Dungey in in a 10-41 game with seven minutes left and he got hurt and missed the rest of the year.
 

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From the link I provided:


2015-Syracuse (ACC)

9/4 vs. Rhode Island (non-IA) W 47 0
9/12 vs. *Wake Forest (3-9) W 30 17
9/19 vs. Central Michigan (7-6) W 30 27
9/26 vs. Louisiana State (9-3) L 24 34
10/10 @ South Florida (8-5) L 24 45
10/17 @ *Virginia (4-8) L 38 44
10/24 vs. *Pittsburgh (8-5) L 20 23
10/31 @ *Florida State (10-3) L 21 45
11/7 @ *Louisville (8-5) L 17 41
11/14 vs. *Clemson (14-1) L 27 37
11/21 @ *North Carolina State (7-6) L 29 42
11/28 vs. *Boston College (3-9) W 20 17

4-8-0 (327-372)

It was kind of a snake bit team. It was a weak 3-0 but 3-0 nonetheless. We gave both LSU and Clemson all they could handle, (I think Mahoney was our QB in both), lost to Virginia on a horrible "was his arm going forward?" call, lost by a field goal to Pitt and gave NC State a good battle. The Louisville game might have cost Shafer his job: he and his OC couldn't even agree on why they left Dungey in in a 10-41 game with seven minutes left and he got hurt and missed the rest of the year.
The thing I remember about the close losses to LSU and Clemson was Shafer punting late in the game when we were within striking distance but needed the ball. If I remember correctly, many on the board believed Shafer was satisfied with keeping the final score respectable rather than winning the game. What a terrible hire as HC he was by Doc Hollywood.
 

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From the link I provided:


2015-Syracuse (ACC)

9/4 vs. Rhode Island (non-IA) W 47 0
9/12 vs. *Wake Forest (3-9) W 30 17
9/19 vs. Central Michigan (7-6) W 30 27
9/26 vs. Louisiana State (9-3) L 24 34
10/10 @ South Florida (8-5) L 24 45
10/17 @ *Virginia (4-8) L 38 44
10/24 vs. *Pittsburgh (8-5) L 20 23
10/31 @ *Florida State (10-3) L 21 45
11/7 @ *Louisville (8-5) L 17 41
11/14 vs. *Clemson (14-1) L 27 37
11/21 @ *North Carolina State (7-6) L 29 42
11/28 vs. *Boston College (3-9) W 20 17

4-8-0 (327-372)

It was kind of a snake bit team. It was a weak 3-0 but 3-0 nonetheless. We gave both LSU and Clemson all they could handle, (I think Mahoney was our QB in both), lost to Virginia on a horrible "was his arm going forward?" call, lost by a field goal to Pitt and gave NC State a good battle. The Louisville game might have cost Shafer his job: he and his OC couldn't even agree on why they left Dungey in in a 10-41 game with seven minutes left and he got hurt and missed the rest of the year.
That was the year he should have gone ballistic, on the CMU coach for not suspending that clown for the dirty hit on Eric.
 

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The thing I remember about the close losses to LSU and Clemson was Shafer punting late in the game when we were within striking distance but needed the ball. If I remember correctly, many on the board believed Shafer was satisfied with keeping the final score respectable rather than winning the game. What a terrible hire as HC he was by Doc Hollywood.
He was awful and acted like an assclown to boot while he was here.
 

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Wow I was expecting to scan down to the 90's and see at least 3 3-0 starts. Maybe those teams did under perform after all. All that talent and no 3-0 starts? I am shocked at this one.
 

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Wow I was expecting to scan down to the 90's and see at least 3 3-0 starts. Maybe those teams did under perform after all. All that talent and no 3-0 starts? I am shocked at this one.

SU usually played a tough OOC so that really made it difficult to go 3-0.
 

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The thing I remember about the close losses to LSU and Clemson was Shafer punting late in the game when we were within striking distance but needed the ball. If I remember correctly, many on the board believed Shafer was satisfied with keeping the final score respectable rather than winning the game. What a terrible hire as HC he was by Doc Hollywood.

The media and fans were a little upset after the close call against CMU to get to 3-0 and he just went off basically insinuating we hadn't been 3-0 in forever and should be happy. I imagine the last three seasons weren't easy for Dino, but I don't recall him ever letting it get to him the way it did Shafer. He seems happy at MTSU and I hope he is.
 

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The media and fans were a little upset after the close call against CMU to get to 3-0 and he just went off basically insinuating we hadn't been 3-0 in forever and should be happy. I imagine the last three seasons weren't easy for Dino, but I don't recall him ever letting it get to him the way it did Shafer. He seems happy at MTSU and I hope he is.

He was promoted above his level of competence.
 

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