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ACC has title game out clause for CFP expansion

If people look at the Conference Title games as a Quarter Final game before the CFP, they make a ton of sense. Thus, it’s more inclusive than just 4 teams if these games are included which I believe was the original intent. The “goal” is to determine the number 1 team not the 4 best teams. Including the Confernce Champions accomplishes that goal. Aka Georgia losing to Alabama in the SEC Championship Game and thus Oklahoma was the 4th team in. Georgia lost so they are out.

No need for expansion really as it’s built in already. This talk wouldn’t be happening if the B1G wasn’t left out twice now.
 
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If people look at the Conference Title games as a Quarter Final game before the CFP, they make a ton of sense. Thus, it’s more inclusive than just 4 teams if these games are included which I believe was the original intent. The “goal” is to determine the number 1 team not the 4 best teams. Including the Confernce Champions accomplishes that goal. Aka Georgia losing to Alabama in the SEC Championship Game and thus Oklahoma was the 4th team in. Georgia lost so they are out.

No need for expansion really as it’s built in already. This talk wouldn’t be happening if the B1G wasn’t left out twice now.
I think you should keep reposting this throughout the year, because it's exactly what people need to know. 4 team playoff with conference championship games preceding is perfect for finding the national champ
 
If people look at the Conference Title games as a Quarter Final game before the CFP, they make a ton of sense. Thus, it’s more inclusive than just 4 teams if these games are included which I believe was the original intent. The “goal” is to determine the number 1 team not the 4 best teams. Including the Confernce Champions accomplishes that goal. Aka Georgia losing to Alabama in the SEC Championship Game and thus Oklahoma was the 4th team in. Georgia lost so they are out.

No need for expansion really as it’s built in already. This talk wouldn’t be happening if the B1G wasn’t left out twice now.

Except one team doesn’t have that quarter final game.
 
Except one team doesn’t have that quarter final game.

The PAC-12 has stunk. The whole thing started when 2 SEC teams were selected last year ahead of a B1G team. Having Notre Dame in this year was like throwing gas on the fire for the B1G.

The only reason to restructure is money and the B1G’s huge ego. I’m not sure the $’s are there either.

The other thing that the University Presidents have to think about is how many games is to many, Clemson is playing in 15 games this year, What is the limit? The Presidents are suppose to see this as Student / Athletics.
 
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It's still worth it at nearly the halfway point of the current contract.

In terms of ratings/viewership here's the data:

2014-2018 Current NY6 Bowls + CFP NC Game Viewership: 526.586 million viewers*
2009-2013 Current NY6 Bowls + BCS NC Game Viewership: 493.170 million viewers

*This total is not taking into account the 20 plus million viewers tomorrow night's game is likely to have.

One might counter that in the BCS era there were only 4 BCS Bowls and starting in the 2006-07 season the NC game was hosted by one of the four sites the following week after their official Bowl was played a week earlier. So the above data is skewed since the Cotton and Peach data from 2009-2013 is being used when they were "lesser bowls". And this would be a legitimate point to make.

However, expanding the data out to include the NC games, current NY6 Bowl games, plus the following 7 bowls games - Citrus, Outback, Alamo, Orlando Bowl (Champs, Russell Athletic, Camping World), Holiday, Music City, and Gator the aggregate data is as follows:


2014-2018 - 700.393 million viewers
2009-2013 - 698.650 million viewers

Again, the 2014-2018 doesn't have the 20+ million likely viewers for tomorrow night's game but it is closer than just using the NC game plus the current NY6 bowl games.

The winners appear to be (assuming tomorrow nights' game only gets the lowest number of viewers the BCS NC game received between 2009-2013):

Winners:

Cotton - up 34%
Orange - up 31%
Sugar - up 29%
Peach - up 21%
Music City - up 19.5%
Gator - up 18% (move from ESPN2 to ESPN may have helped)
NC Game - up 2.6%
Rose - up 2.6%

Losers:

Orlando - down 7.5%
Fiesta - down 11%
Alamo - down 14%
Holiday - down 18% (first three years in new era on a trajectory to be a 19% winner, but appears move to FS1 tanked that big time)
Citrus - down 26.5%
Outback - down 40% (move to ESPN2 may have hurt)

If any one has additional insight, for either a winner or loser, I hope you share.

Cheers,
Neil
 
If people look at the Conference Title games as a Quarter Final game before the CFP, they make a ton of sense. Thus, it’s more inclusive than just 4 teams if these games are included which I believe was the original intent. The “goal” is to determine the number 1 team not the 4 best teams. Including the Confernce Champions accomplishes that goal. Aka Georgia losing to Alabama in the SEC Championship Game and thus Oklahoma was the 4th team in. Georgia lost so they are out.

No need for expansion really as it’s built in already. This talk wouldn’t be happening if the B1G wasn’t left out twice now.

There have been two years in which team that did not play in a conference championship game was invited to the party. I would have no issue with the Committee being obligated to take the best four conference champions, but that has not been what has been happening.
 
There have been two years in which team that did not play in a conference championship game was invited to the party. I would have no issue with the Committee being obligated to take the best four conference champions, but that has not been what has been happening.

It's three out of five. Ohio State in 2016, Alabama in 2017, and Notre Dame this year. I would take issue with a team like Pitt (had they won the ACCCG) going to the playoff. But that is just me. Now, if each conference could figure out a way for its best two teams to play in that game, I might be convinced. But no, not as things currently exist.

Cheers,
Neil
 
How about the Big 10 have one of the top 4 quality teams? That solves all issues.
 
why would moving from espn to epn2 cause and ratings changes of those magnitudes? are there large cable systems getting only espn these days?
 
Dissolve the division format. ensure the two best teams play in the conference championship. then you might have something.

I would love to see this across the board. But the SEC might be against it. Makes it harder for them to get two teams in. Would UGA have even made the playoff last year?
 
I would love to see this across the board. But the SEC might be against it. Makes it harder for them to get two teams in. Would UGA have even made the playoff last year?
The SEC should be against it. That's like capping cbb tourney teams for the ACC at the top 4, when teams #5, 6, 7 are capable of Final 4 runs. A conference shouldn't be penalized for being the best.
 
The SEC and B1G voted against changing the championship game rule only because they were hoping that the ACC would implode and they could pick over the remnants. If anything, they would benefit more from the change than anyone else because the B1G would have had another thatOSU-Meeshigan game instead of having the Bucknuts play NWern. Right now, the division structure works for the SEC because Bama and UGA are winning their divisions and would also be in the championship game under "2 best teams". But one year Bama was cut out because they lost to Auburn. They still went to the playoffs because that was their only loss and probably would have been in the championship game under "2 best teams". They're also ignoring the years when LSU and Bama were their best teams but only one could go to the championship game.
 
Dissolve the division format. ensure the two best teams play in the conference championship. then you might have something.

So 3 winners from the power conferences + notre dame (when they are undeafeted and or have 1 loss?)

Really starting to question why Notre Dame should even warrant inclusion as an indy...
 
why would moving from espn to epn2 cause and ratings changes of those magnitudes? are there large cable systems getting only espn these days?

It doesn't. Someone contacted me and told me the move from ESPN2 to ESPN or ABC helps because that means ESPN/ABC values that game more than anything else they have available to air. They explained that the reverse is also true. If a game moves to ESPN2 it is because they have something they deem more valuable to air in the ESPN or ABC slot.

So, let's take the Citrus and the Outback. Prior to the new CFP system one of those games would air on ABC while the other aired on ESPN at the noon/1PM NYD time slot. But now with their being six NY6 Bowls, the Fiesta, Cotton, and Peach alternate at that time slot for ESPN giving ABC the Citrus and leaving the Outback with two games to compete against from ESPN2, rather than just one. The only time the Outback catches a break is when NYD falls on a Sunday. The NY6 bowl game aired on Monday January 2nd at 1PM on ESPN while the Outback had the same time slot on ABC. Meanwhile the Citrus aired on Saturday December 31st on ABC in that early time slot with the Gator as competition.

Just a long-winded way of saying that it has to do with level and number of competition in the time slot and obstinance on the part of SEC/B1G that their games won't be moved from their traditional spots even though it might be better ratings wise at least if they did.

Cheers,
Neil
 
If people look at the Conference Title games as a Quarter Final game before the CFP, they make a ton of sense. Thus, it’s more inclusive than just 4 teams if these games are included which I believe was the original intent. The “goal” is to determine the number 1 team not the 4 best teams. Including the Confernce Champions accomplishes that goal. Aka Georgia losing to Alabama in the SEC Championship Game and thus Oklahoma was the 4th team in. Georgia lost so they are out.

No need for expansion really as it’s built in already. This talk wouldn’t be happening if the B1G wasn’t left out twice now.

The P5 with 4 spots is the problem. The fact that 2 teams from one conference also get in from time to time further erodes that argument.

Expanding to 6 solves it somewhat, I just hate bye weeks. 8 is the obvious solution.

They'll get there. Mostly because they are greedy as hell.
 
It's three out of five. Ohio State in 2016, Alabama in 2017, and Notre Dame this year. I would take issue with a team like Pitt (had they won the ACCCG) going to the playoff. But that is just me. Now, if each conference could figure out a way for its best two teams to play in that game, I might be convinced. But no, not as things currently exist.

Cheers,
Neil
They did, but the B1G vetoed the plan.
 

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