ACC Top 30 players per CFN

[Eric15]

Dungey is #27. He's listed as the 4th best QB after Lamar Jackson, Deondre Francois and Kelly Bryant.

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[Orijinal]

Dungey is #27. He's listed as the 4th best QB after Lamar Jackson, Deondre Francois and Kelly Bryant.

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I really think that if Dungey stays healthy the whole year, he's gonna put up numbers that are gonna make these prognostications look foolish

 

[KaiserUEO]

I really think that if Dungey stays healthy the whole year, he's gonna put up numbers that are gonna make these prognostications look foolish

well 'these prognostications' or at least 'this' one...is pretty damn high praise.

 

[Eric15]

well 'these prognostications' or at least 'this' one...is pretty damn high praise.

Yeah I didn't interpret having a QB in the upper third in the conference to be an insult at all.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Yeah I didn't interpret having a QB in the upper third in the conference to be an insult at all.

seriously.

1 is the Heisman Trophy winner.

the other was the back up to the should've been Heisman Trophy winner and NC winner.

the other is the stud at Florida St.

and to top it off, they were naming 30 guys in the conference only...30.

they could've left those 3 QBs on it and added no one else and no one wouldve batted an eye.

they added Dungey.

wow.

 

[gbo]

Dungey is #27. He's listed as the 4th best QB after Lamar Jackson, Deondre Francois and Kelly Bryant.

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I'm a Clemson guy and I wouldn't have Dungey at 4. We aren't even sure if Bryant is going to start or not.

 

[Deuga]

I'm a Clemson guy and I wouldn't have Dungey at 4. We aren't even sure if Bryant is going to start or not.

I'm sure the writers at CFN know more about this than I do, and I'm sure whomever is the starter at Clemson will be at least good. However, Bryant has thrown 18 passes in his career. To proclaim an inexperienced 3 star guy will be suddenly great seems like a gutsy call.

 

[Orijinal]

seriously.

1 is the Heisman Trophy winner.

the other was the back up to the should've been Heisman Trophy winner and NC winner.

the other is the stud at Florida St.

and to top it off, they were naming 30 guys in the conference only...30.

they could've left those 3 QBs on it and added no one else and no one wouldve batted an eye.

they added Dungey.

wow.

I just think, again, if Dungey stays healthy, he'll put up better numbers. Won't win as many games. But put up better numbers.

And I also think that Jackson is overrated. And I'm not saying it as a Syracuse homer. I seriously think his ability is overrated. He can run like no one's business, but as teams figure that out, he's just not going to be as effective

 

[upperdeck]

jackson runs so much and takes crazy risks doing it you cant help but think he gets dinged in some way, but its also a huge part of that offense just letting him take off.

 

[gbo]

I'm sure the writers at CFN know more about this than I do, and I'm sure whomever is the starter at Clemson will be at least good. However, Bryant has thrown 18 passes in his career. To proclaim an inexperienced 3 star guy will be suddenly great seems like a gutsy call.

Agreed. Year 2 of Baber's offense...I expect way more fireworks.

 

[KaiserUEO]

I just think, again, if Dungey stays healthy, he'll put up better numbers. Won't win as many games. But put up better numbers.

And I also think that Jackson is overrated. And I'm not saying it as a Syracuse homer. I seriously think his ability is overrated. He can run like no one's business, but as teams figure that out, he's just not going to be as effective

If he wins another Heisman or lullavil plays for the F4, that paragraph will go down in board lore.

Hell, it's already there...he WON the Heisman.

 

[Chip]

jackson runs so much and takes crazy risks doing it you cant help but think he gets dinged in some way, but its also a huge part of that offense just letting him take off.

I think that's what happened to Louisville at this end of 2016. He wasn't the same QB that was racking up 800 yards against us and FSU. Took its toll.

Glad we get them 2nd to last game in 2017 instead of 2nd to first. One small step for mankind...

 

[Orijinal]

If he wins another Heisman or lullavil plays for the F4, that paragraph will go down in board lore.

Hell, it's already there...he WON the Heisman.

Yeah. For basically what he accomplished in the first half of the season, and that's according to a lot of people.

He ain't winning a Heisman again, and it's not gonna be close.

But I know ...I do say the stupidest things on this board, don't I?

He was a Heisman winner who was completely one-dimensional. That's my definition of overrated.

Glad I can make you laugh with my opinions

 

[sufandu]

Even if Dungey puts up bigger numbers I won't automatically say he's better than Jackson or Francios . This offense is made to put up big numbers and numbers by themselves do not determine a how good a player is. When McNabb was a senior, a number of qbs put up bigger numbers but wouldn't have been considered better.

Having said that, I'll take the 3rd or 4th best qb in the ACC and an offense that puts up video game numbers. Hopefully, it all adds up to a bowl game at the end of the year with a surprise win or two along the way.

 

[UnknownOrange]

Yeah. For basically what he accomplished in the first half of the season, and that's according to a lot of people.

He ain't winning a Heisman again, and it's not gonna be close.

But I know ...I do say the stupidest things on this board, don't I?

He was a Heisman winner who was completely one-dimensional. That's my definition of overrated.

Glad I can make you laugh with my opinions

Plenty of guys win the Heisman being 1 dimensional though. Lamar is not one of them.

Ron Dayne had 1 catch in 1999

Lamar Jackson had more passing yards than Cam Newton, Tebow, Troy Smith, Leinart, and that BUM Eric Crouch.

Lamar had an incredible year. Amazing college player.

 

[Trueblue25]

Jackson was a hair from singlehandedly beating Clemson. Im gonna go ahead and say him being called overrated as a heisman winner is herecy.

 

[gbo]

I think what Orijinal is saying is that Jackson basically coasted off of what he did in the first half of last season. He was pretty average his final few games. He's an exciting player no doubt.

 

[longislandcuse]

Jackson didn't exactly seem like he had much help towards the end of the season with injuries and their o-line exposed.

They played auburn with half of their defensive starters out and everytime he dropped back to pass, Auburn did a 1 Mississippi and then had a free rush at Jackson.

 

[orange_in_VA]

Jackson was certainly incredible last season overall. Ville probably wins 5-6 games without him. However his completion percentage leaves a lot to be desired as a passer. He only completed 56% of his throws last year. It will be interesting to see if he can get it above 60% for a season while he's still in college. For comparison, Deshaun Watson completed 67-68% of his throws three years in a row. That's what an elite QB is supposed to look like statistically. Jackson is an elite athlete playing QB right now. He won the heisman because he's an incredible runner, and padded some passing stats against bad teams. He had half of his passing touchdowns in 3 games against Charlotte (6), Marshall (5) and BC (4).

 

[Orijinal]

However his completion percentage leaves a lot to be desired as a passer. He only completed 56% of his throws last year. Jackson is an elite athlete playing QB right now. He won the heisman because he's an incredible runner, and padded some passing stats against bad teams. He had half of his passing touchdowns in 3 games against Charlotte (6), Marshall (5) and BC (4).

And there it is ...

 

[gmoney44]

I think that's what happened to Louisville at this end of 2016. He wasn't the same QB that was racking up 800 yards against us and FSU. Took its toll.

Glad we get them 2nd to last game in 2017 instead of 2nd to first. One small step for mankind...

Playing them the 2nd to last game is a double edged sword. Our QB doesn't have the greatest track record of finishing seasons.

 

[TheCusian]

Even if Dungey puts up bigger numbers I won't automatically say he's better than Jackson or Francios . This offense is made to put up big numbers and numbers by themselves do not determine a how good a player is. When McNabb was a senior, a number of qbs put up bigger numbers but wouldn't have been considered better.

Having said that, I'll take the 3rd or 4th best qb in the ACC and an offense that puts up video game numbers. Hopefully, it all adds up to a bowl game at the end of the year with a surprise win or two along the way.

It's not the "accumulation" stats that define best. There are others that we do need to use to define "best"... completion % combined with YPC for example. INT per attempt. etc.

I do think wins are a poor barometer. It's a Marino vs Montana type discussion.

 

[TheCusian]

And there it is ...

It depends on how you want to value the role of the QB. If it's just as a passer, sure the guy is average.

I'd parse it this way: He deserved the Heisman based on production at the position. And if you're talking the OP (30 best players), he's got to be on the list and high up.

Best passing QB? No way. I'd take Francois, Dungey in that order.

 

[sufandu]

It's not the "accumulation" stats that define best. There are others that we do need to use to define "best"... completion % combined with YPC for example. INT per attempt. etc.

I do think wins are a poor barometer. It's a Marino vs Montana type discussion.

It all has to be considered along with the eye test. McNabb was not top 5 in one passing stat his senior year, including pass efficiency and completion percentage, and was outside the top 10 in at least half, yet a very strong argument exists that he was the best qb that year.

I get it. You love this offense, and I agree it will be exciting to see the numbers Dungey puts up. I'm looking forward to the season too. Just understand that someone attempting to inject perspective into something isn't the same as degrading it.

 

[HtownOrange]

jackson runs so much and takes crazy risks doing it you cant help but think he gets dinged in some way, but its also a huge part of that offense just letting him take off.

Add to that the fact that the OL is not the same as last season, LJ will have issues to deal with. That is not to say he is not a threat, just that it will not be an easy task to duplicate last seasons Heisman performance. Add to the crazy risks a new line and LJ may not be #1 or #2 in the ACC.