All its gonna take is a good 3 point shooting team to beat us.

[Su Grad Wannabe]

It's not going to be tonight but someone will eventually shoot us out the gym, Marquette almost did on there comeback if they hit more of there 3' s which eventually opens up the middle. I would like for us to go to man if were up 20+ or facing a very good 3-point shooting team, to not give them a chance to come back or beat us if there a less talented team. That's my number one fear is we get in the tourny and we let a team shoot us out the gym that has no business even hangin with us.

 

[longislandcuse]

It's not going to be tonight but someone will eventually shoot us out the gym, Marquette almost did on there comeback if they hit more of there 3' s which eventually opens up the middle. I would like for us to go to man if were up 20+ or facing a very good 3-point shooting team, to not give them a chance to come back or beat us if there a less talented team. That's my number one fear is we get in the tourny and we let a team shoot us out the gym that has no business even hangin with us.

Pretty sure this is how any good team can be beat. Example, Ohio State last night.

 

[Orange Barrel]

It's not going to be tonight but someone will eventually shoot us out the gym, Marquette almost did on there comeback if they hit more of there 3' s which eventually opens up the middle. I would like for us to go to man if were up 20+ or facing a very good 3-point shooting team, to not give them a chance to come back or beat us if there a less talented team. That's my number one fear is we get in the tourny and we let a team shoot us out the gym that has no business even hangin with us.

If we're up 20+ the zone is probably working to damn near perfection.

 

[ORANGEsPHK]

As Bilas is fond of saying, the three point shot is the great equalizer for lesser teams and enables them to have a shot of winning any game.

 

[ORANGEsPHK]

I would like for us to go to man if were up 20+ or facing a very good 3-point shooting team, to not give them a chance to come back or beat us if there a less talented team. That's my number one fear is we get in the tourny and we let a team shoot us out the gym that has no business even hangin with us.

I agree that it would be an opportunity for the team to get some MTM game experience, but I would rather see a dose of the freshmen in the 2-3 to prepare us for the NCAAs. The 2-3 is a huge reason why we are doing so well this year and I'd rather have the freshmen get more experience and, hopefully, better prepared when JB calls on them. Especially if we are +20 over the other team.

 

[marz09cuse]

If we're up 20+ the zone is probably working to damn near perfection.

Exactly, the only thing that has to change if we're up 20 at half is to come out with the same intensity on D as the first half in order to maintain or increase that lead. We've had more than a few games where we got lazy on D in the 2nd half and left open shooters, or allowed them to penetrate rather easily.

 

[orangefan13]

The strongest part of m2m is the guards manning up and wanting to get the ball on defense, not telling them to bring it and try to score. Our guards can do that in the zone. Waiters, Scoop, Triche, and MCW need to want to frustrate and get the ball, and keep working harder on it in practice.

Its no secret in the 2-3 zone there is atleast twice as much sliding at the guard spots and center as there is on the wings.

 

[jordoo]

Hmmm like Florida? Aren't they a very high quality good 3pt shooting team that shot about 50% from dep against us? How could we possibly have won that game?

Kids and teams go off from 3 against all styles of defense and then its prett yhard to beat them no matter what defense you are playing. We routinely defend the 3 year in and year out very well. Look at the stats. If you are going to gripe at least do it with some inteligence. Your fear of losing to a hot 3pt shooting team is valid but not simply because we play a 2-3 zone.

 

[chlywtr]

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[StopCoolio]

Not sure that’s all it’s going to take. NC State shot 50% from 3, Providence shot 46% and they both lost by 16 and 14 respectively in their buildings. Not the best teams out there but teams are going to need more than a hot shooting night to take us out.

 

[Su Grad Wannabe]

As Bilas is fond of saying, the three point shot is the great equalizer for lesser teams and enables them to have a shot of winning any game.

That's what I'm sayin and that's the zone's weakness. You swing the ball around enough your almost gurantee a open look for 3.

 

[jordoo]

That's what I'm sayin and that's the zone's weakness. You swing the ball around enough your almost gurantee a open look for 3.

Um statistically it is not the zones weekness. We defend the 3 very well percentage wise. Yes we force teams to take a lot of 3's but we defend those shots very well in the 2-3 historically.

 

[jdubs30]

OSU has what it takes to beat us. It takes good 3pt shooting and a great low post threat. If Sullinger is healthy OSU has the formula.

 

[RF2044]

OSU has what it takes to beat us. It takes good 3pt shooting and a great low post threat. If Sullinger is healthy OSU has the formula.

OSU does not have good three point shooting, overall.

Doesn't mean that they wouldn't beat us any given day, but I don't agree with your assessment. There has been an enormous dropoff between how they shot the ball from outside last year and how they shoot it this year. They miss Diebler giving them that floor spacing / balance.

 

[longislandcuse]

What is this obsession with Ohio State? They are not as good as us and no im not scared of them.

 

[jdubs30]

OSU does not have good three point shooting, overall.

Doesn't mean that they wouldn't beat us any given day, but I don't agree with your assessment. There has been an enormous dropoff between how they shot the ball from outside last year and how they shoot it this year. They miss Diebler giving them that floor spacing / balance.

Buford and DeShaun Thomas scare me. Thomas is perfect for that foul line area as well.

 

[jdubs30]

What is this obsession with Ohio State? They are not as good as us and no im not scared of them.

They have size, length, 3 15ppg+ scorers and one of the best PGs in America (albeit he's short). They share the ball and take high quality shots. Not to mention they have the best post player in the country.

I'm not SCARED of team; but OSU has the best chance to beat us.

 

[jordoo]

OSU has what it takes to beat us. It takes good 3pt shooting and a great low post threat. If Sullinger is healthy OSU has the formula.

OSU misses Deibler more than anything IMO. In half court offense in combination with Sullinger they were very hard to defend. Not so much this year. They have guys who can shoot but no one scary. I think the 2-3 minumizes and changes what a guy like Sullinger does. I'd rather see OSU than UNC or Baylor at this point. The more I see of OSU the less impressed I am although they are still a very good team and will be in the running for a 1 seed.

 

[jdubs30]

OSU misses Deibler more than anything IMO. In half court offense in combination with Sullinger they were very hard to defend. Not so much this year. They have guys who can shoot but no one scary. I think the 2-3 minumizes and changes what a guy like Sullinger does. I'd rather see OSU than UNC or Baylor at this point. The more I see of OSU the less impressed I am although they are still a very good team and will be in the running for a 1 seed.

Baylor doesn't have the guard play to make a deep tournament run. Period.

 

[longislandcuse]

They have size, length, 3 15ppg+ scorers and one of the best PGs in America (albeit he's short). They share the ball and take high quality shots. Not to mention they have the best post player in the country.

I'm not SCARED of team; but OSU has the best chance to beat us.

Robinson of Kansas is better than Sullinger.

 

[ImperialOrange]

If a team hits a high % and volume of 3's against the zone then yes. The 2-3 zone is killer against unfamiliar teams though as we pick off a fair amount of entry passes as well as pass backs.

My biggest fear as a reason for losing is the dreaded stone cold shooting night. The combo of < 40% from the floor, and < 30% from 3.

 

[jordoo]

They have size, length, 3 15ppg+ scorers and one of the best PGs in America (albeit he's short). They share the ball and take high quality shots. Not to mention they have the best post player in the country.

I'm not SCARED of team; but OSU has the best chance to beat us.

If OSU plays defense against us like they did against Illinois they have no chance to beat us at all. They are losing to teams with far fewer weapons than us.

 

[Orangezoo]

OSU has the formula.. sort of.. for sully its about where he catches the ball. And honestly.. he could take 30 3s against us and that is just fine. One thing I noticed with him is he isn't attacking the boards with the same moxy as last year. Much more looking use that baby hook or hit the jumper. The thing about the zone is.. honestly the way Marquette attacked it is best. Get up and down off misses.. use strong guards to attack the middle and kick out to shooters or attack the rim. We get out on shooters faster in the zone than in MTM as the adjustment is quicker than one guy trying to go over or under the PNR. Its really about the ability to quickly move the ball. OSU misses Diebler a lot this year. Buford prefers to step into his shot. Also ... Craft is the only guy they used to feed the post last night... its clear Buford/Thomas are not that on target with passing the ball and therefore OSU not using the two man game very well. Last year where they would find Diebler on the corner after swinging it once more.. they don't have that this year. More relying on Sullinger to step out to help their ability to hit the three. In a way OSU is a rich man's Seton Hall.. better at the best positions but similar. A wing who can shoot/attack off the bounce.. an all american down low... and a crafty PG.. OSU happens to also have Thomas.. which levels them up. Still OSU attacks similar IMO to SHU. Get in the middle, using their big PF to get points with a soft touch. Against Fab.. half those would be swatted away. Also Sully is not good protecting the ball when he goes up.. Zone I think would really frustrate him when getting the ball downlow with little room to work.

 

[jdubs30]

Robinson of Kansas is better than Sullinger.

That's more of a personal opinion issue probably. Their both tremendous; I just think Sully is better if he's healthy.

Also, re: Baylor; they can't really shoot the 3 outside of Heslip...

 

[SU2NASA]

Being the the 3-point shot is worth 50% more points, if you're able to shoot 2-pointers less than 50% better than your 3-point shot average, then hoist 'em up kids.