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Message: [QUOTE="Dick_in_MI, post: 5702852, member: 225"] SU has its icons. Red was not quite iconic as a player, but there are very few of those, and he is certainly very much in the next level. As a player, Top 20 all-time scorer, 5th all-time in assists, 6th all-time in steals. Gave a lot of years of his life to the program as a coach as well. Sad that it didn't work out for him as a coach. Just like elsewhere in the professional world, sometimes people are really good at their jobs through various levels and then flame out as a VP or President. Red flamed out, and it happens, but he can hold his head high for everything else he gave to SU. Best wishes for whatever else life holds for him going forward. [/QUOTE]