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orange79
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At this point still a Q1 win, though.
It won't be for long they are sinking like a stone.
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And still plenty of Q1 win opportunities left on the schedule.
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What are you talking about? They lost on the road to a buzzer beater against a quality MAC team and then beat a top MAC team on the road. Ideally the only lose one more MAC game and they’ll get an auto bid.
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I believe he was talking about Ohio St.
They will have to totally tank the season in order to not be a Q1 win by the end of the season. Right now, they stand at 46 in the NET. Yes, that is down from earlier in the season, but they will probably end up in the 50's or possibly 60's. They won't lose out.
They would have to drop below 75 for that win to drop from Q1 to Q2. So, at worst, it will be a Q2 win, but I don't expect that to happen. There are only 3 P5 teams below 135 (the threshold that determines a Q2 from a Q3 road win) - our own Wake Forest, and Washington St and Cal from the perhaps historically bad Pac 12. Yes, even Rutgers is above that Medoza line (although at 132 they are flirting with it).
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I was at the game. Incredibly fun to watch. So much up and down. I was seriously impressed with both teams. Watching them race the ball up the court in person really really emphasized how terrible we are at it.
Really fun MAC game. There are some quality teams in that conference. Kent state has some players.
Really fun MAC game. There are some quality teams in that conference. Kent state has some players.
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Osu wont matter after we beat tech tonight
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Yes, but tonight would ease the burden that win at OSU currently carries on our resume significantly
Osu not buffalo
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So no chance at a 4-5 seed? Let me know
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My bad. LGO
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We aren't a bubble team and we will control our seeding not what teams we played the first year of the month end up doing. This stuff is nauseating especially with how much parity there is in the top leagues after a couple teams.
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The OSU Q1 win most definitely factor into our seeding. And indirectly, the Buffalo Q1 loss could be a factor also (SOS-wise).
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We will be in but we will have a decent amount of losses. We will be in line for a higher seed than teams with 2-3 fewer losses than us. The following will determine seed:
ACC record
ACC road scalps vs ranked teams
Don't lose both ACC marquee home games vs UVA and Duke
Don't bomb out of the ACC tournament as we have every single year and for once make it to Friday
How our OOC opponents fare down the stretch really isn't going to matter. The above things are what will give a Syracuse team with 9 losses a 4 seed over a team with 6 losses not how uconn or Ohio St fare.
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Sorry, you're missing the point. The selection committee looks at who we beat, to whom we lost, SOS, etc. This is all factored into the new NET (NCAA Evaluation Tool - which replaces the RPI).
Quadrant wins (which quadrant, how many, etc.) will play a huge role in determining our seed. Some of those things you mention play a role in our NET rating, currently 44. ACC record really doesn't, at least directly.
Your statement that "How our OOC opponents fare down the stretch really isn't going to matter" is not correct. As I said above, the OSU Q1 win is very important (the losses are probably not nearly as important, although they contribute to SOS). The committee does not consider when you played a team. They have said that publicly.
We have (as the NET stands right now) 8 more opportunities for Q1 wins. We currently have 2. The OSU win counts as a Q1 win just as the Duke win does. One is not any more or less important. Winning ACC games does not matter, per se. Winning games against highly ranked teams does. Those highly ranked teams just happen to be in the ACC, but that doesn't really matter. The committee doesn't look at conference strength anymore. They look at quadrant wins. If we are up against a PAC-12 team, the committee will not look at the 2 teams and say, "SU gets a better seed because they play in a better conference." It doesn't work that way anymore. It's all about teams - conference is coincidental. Is it better to play in a better conference? Absolutely. Will the committee look at conference record? No. They will look at the quadrants of the wins we had.
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A 1 seed would go nuts if they have to face Syracuse before the elite 8. I don't think the committee would do it.
