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Ok you are the AD and you need to keep the FB coach happy (recruiting areas and not too tough an OOC schedule), keep the Bottom-line happy (Help the Finances), and finally excite the fans and alumni base (plays games where fans want to travel too and where alumni and future students reside)

Rule: No scheduled games can be cancelled but you can move a game to a different year (even to the 2030's). Don't worry about the ACC games, just assume 8 games going forward. Start to factor in Big 10/Pac12 games after 2023. For argument sake just set aside 1 game a year. Of course, you as an AD should always have a easy way to to remove or move a game if you need to schedule 2 alliance games from 2024 and on.

2023
2024 (need 1 Alliance game)
2025 (need 1 Alliance game)
2026 (need 1 Alliance game)
2027 (need 1 Alliance game)
2028 (need 1 Alliance game)
(no games scheduled)

2029 (need 1 Alliance game)
 
Ok you are the AD and you need to keep the FB coach happy (recruiting areas and not too tough an OOC schedule), keep the Bottom-line happy (Help the Finances), and finally excite the fans and alumni base (plays games where fans want to travel too and where alumni and future students reside)

Rule: No scheduled games can be cancelled but you can move a game to a different year (even to the 2030's). Don't worry about the ACC games, just assume 8 games going forward. Start to factor in Big 10/Pac12 games after 2023. For argument sake just set aside 1 game a year. Of course, you as an AD should always have a easy way to to remove or move a game if you need to schedule 2 alliance games from 2024 and on.

2023
2024 (need 1 Alliance game)
2025 (need 1 Alliance game)
2026 (need 1 Alliance game)
2027 (need 1 Alliance game)
2028 (need 1 Alliance game)
(no games scheduled)

2029 (need 1 Alliance game)
Would rather tell the conference we would like to eliminate playing Notre Dame. Give us a chance to schedule someone else.
 
Would rather tell the conference we would like to eliminate playing Notre Dame. Give us a chance to schedule someone else.
So you want to get fired? LOL

If the Alliance ever "pans out" for yearly Alliance two game OOC teams, I bet the ACC will put a caveat that they can only support 1 Alliance game for those teams that play ND.
 
2024/27 get James Madison to come up to the dome, they will be D1 and needs cames.
Might not be the most exciting news line but an okish game to play in the dome and will get clicks with JMU being "new".
 
My take:

2023
2024 (need 1 Alliance game)
  • 08/31 - Ohio
  • 09/07 - @Rutgers
  • 09/21 - at Army
  • TBD UConn from 2025 (play them later in season to help their scheduling)
2025 (need 1 Alliance game)
  • 08/30 - vs Tennessee (in Atlanta, GA)
  • 09/06 - UConn (we better be good in '25) Washington State
  • 09/27 - Army
  • TBA - at Notre Dame
  • Not sure if we qualify for a 13th game with the UT game...if we do, add a FCS or lowly G5 buy game.
2026 (need 1 Alliance game)
2027 (need 1 Alliance game)

  • 09/03 - New Hampshire (Fri night from 2026)
  • 09/11 - James Madison
  • 11/06 - at UConn
  • 11/27 - at UCLA
  • 12/04 - at Hawaii (13th game rule)
2028 (need 1 Alliance game)
  • 09/01 - Colgate (Fri night)
  • 09/09 - at James Madison
  • 09/16 - Buffalo
  • 10/07 - UCLA

2029 (need 1 Alliance game)
  • 08/31 - Morgan St (Fri night)
  • 09/08 - Notre Dame
  • 09/15 - at Buffalo
  • 09/29 - James Madison
James Madison is a 2 for 1
Buffalo is a 2 for 1 host them again in 2030 or 2031
 
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2024/27 get James Madison to come up to the dome, they will be D1 and needs cames.
Might not be the most exciting news line but an okish game to play in the dome and will get clicks with JMU being "new".
Didn't read your post...but I thought the similar

The alliance will bring in some VG P5 teams but they are tough to figure out where to place them.
 
Revising mine for MEAC and 60-40 B1G/P12

I think in the future you will see every conference at 10 P5 games. So we might end up with 2 alliance games when we don't have Notre Dame.

2023 - I think this will remain the same. A little late to change. Adding an alliance game (if B1G and P12 go down to 8 conference game people will have spots). Kinda late to bump WMU or Army but would be better to.
2024 I'll leave this the same but it would be best to bump a Ohio or Army for an FCS
  • 08/31 - Ohio
  • 09/21 - at Army
  • at Arizona State
  • Maryland
2025 I don't think this changes. Would be good if we can bump UConn or Army for an FCS
2026
  • 09/05 - New Hampshire Changing this to Colgate from 2023
  • 09/26 - at Army
  • 10/03 - UConn move out UConn to 2028 and add in Arizona State instead adding Rutgers
  • TBA - at Notre Dame
2027
  • 11/06 - at UConn
  • at Maryland
  • Colorado
  • Colgate Changing this to Howard
2028
UConn from 2026
Holy Cross
at Colorado
Penn State


2029
2030
Fordham Changing this to Colgate
at Penn State
Temple
Stanford changing this to UCLA as Stanford is limited due to ND games

2031
at UCLA
Northwestern
Norfolk State
Army

2032
at Northwestern
Holy Cross
at Army
Notre Dame

So the next 10 seasons we have:

B1G 9x (MD 2x, RU 2x, PSU 2x, NW 2x, Purdue 1x)
P12 6x (ASU 2x, Colorado 2x, UCLA 2x)
ND 4x
SEC 1x (Tenn)
G5 13x (Army 6x, UConn 3x, Temple 2x, WMU 1x, Ohio 1x)

FCS 7x
MEAC 3x (Howard, Morgan State, Norfolk State)
Colgate 2x
Holy Cross 2x
We lose the New Hampshire game
 
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HRE Otto IV I like Holy Cross for a potential FCS add. Didn't think of them, went with the traditional Colgate.

Instead of James Madison on my schedule (joining The SunBelt) a series with UMASS, Akron, FIU, FAU, GA State all could be considered.
 
Ok you are the AD and you need to keep the FB coach happy (recruiting areas and not too tough an OOC schedule), keep the Bottom-line happy (Help the Finances), and finally excite the fans and alumni base (plays games where fans want to travel too and where alumni and future students reside)

Rule: No scheduled games can be cancelled but you can move a game to a different year (even to the 2030's). Don't worry about the ACC games, just assume 8 games going forward. Start to factor in Big 10/Pac12 games after 2023. For argument sake just set aside 1 game a year. Of course, you as an AD should always have a easy way to to remove or move a game if you need to schedule 2 alliance games from 2024 and on.

2023
2024 (need 1 Alliance game)
2025 (need 1 Alliance game)
2026 (need 1 Alliance game)
2027 (need 1 Alliance game)
2028 (need 1 Alliance game)
(no games scheduled)

2029 (need 1 Alliance game)

Some objectives here...

Schedule to go bowling We need to go 3-1 at minimum OOC every year. Try and schedule for that to happen.

Try and schedule 3 home OOC games when possible. If we can do 2 of 3 years with 3 OOC games at home, we have done well.

Try and get drivable away games when possible.

Threw this together fast. Hope I didn't make any ghastly mistakes.

2023
This is a good schedule. Actually open with the FCS game. Yay. 3 home games OOC. Yay. The away game is in an area we recruit and is possibly winnable. Good job JW!

2024 (need 1 Alliance game)
  • 08/31 - Ohio
  • 09/07 - Penn State
  • 09/21 - at Army
  • 11/23 - FCS game (prefer Colgate)
Don't like opening up with Ohio (prefer the FCS game there). I am going to assume we bounce home and away with the alliance games.

For 2024, we should therefore host an Alliance game. Because the schedule is relatively weak and not much sizzle to sell for season tickets, it makes sense to play a good team OOC, one that might travel some. Ideally, we do Penn State here. They would make the most impact financially and I think PSU fans would appreciate an away game that is an easy drive from PA.

2025 (need 1 Alliance game)
  • 08/30 - vs Tennessee (in Atlanta, GA)
  • 09/06 - UConn
  • 09/13 - at Arizona
  • 09/27 - Army
  • TBA- at Notre Dame (moved to 2028)
We need to play the Alliance game away. Gotta make space for it. My first thought is to move the ND away game to 2028, where we have no OOC games scheduled. Not sure if that is possible but I would try. Let's assume ND is willing to cooperate here. We need to play the Alliance game on the road. Let's add Arizona, a winnable game to a venue relatively easy to travel to.

2026 (need 1 Alliance game)
Need to move or cancel a game this year as well to make room for an Alliance game. I don't think we can't ask ND to do this again so that is out. We don't want to lose the sure win against New Hampshire so I don't see us moving that. So I see us asking UConn to move this game and it probably goes to 2028. Them being independent should give them flexibility to move games few other schools have.

Our home schedule is pretty crappy so the Alliance game would ideally be against an attractive team that will help us sell tickets. I am assuming we will host a P12 school here. Thinking it would be best to play a school we have either never played or rarely played. Thinking someone like Utah, who no one in the ACC wants to play, is a likely candidate.

2027 (need 1 Alliance game)
  • 09/04 - FCS game (Colgate?)
  • 09/11 - at Rutgers
  • 9/18 - UB
  • 11/06 - at UConn
This will be an away Alliance game. Thinking doing another 9/11 game against Rutgers is a good idea. Pretty sure they will want to schedule SU at Rutgers ASAP and we kind of owe the Scarlet Knights that game where they forfeited when they all had diseases when they were supposed to play us last year.

We also need to add a MAC level opponent for a home game. Akron would be a good choice. They are bad and it is an easy trip for our fans for the game there. But I think we should pull the trigger here and start a series with UB.

2028 (need 1 Alliance game)
  • 9/3 - FCS opponent (Colgate?)
  • 9/10 - UConn (rescheduled from 2026)
  • 9/17 - Maryland
  • TBA - at Notre Dame (was originally scheduled for 2025)
Two games were moved into this year. Also need an FCS opponent and a home Alliance game. Thinking Maryland would be a good fit here. They would probably bring some fans and there is some history here to generate interest.

2029 (need 1 Alliance game)
Morgan State fills the FCS slot (even though I think they are moving up to FBS by then). This is the second game of a home and home series with UB. We need to play on the road for our Alliance game and with ND on the schedule, would prefer it be against a bad team so we take on a relatively easy opponent and play at a hard play to place at to try and get another OOC game. Pretty sure the rest of the ACC will not be anxious to go to Pullman.
 
HRE Otto IV I like Holy Cross for a potential FCS add. Didn't think of them, went with the traditional Colgate.

Instead of James Madison on my schedule (joining The SunBelt) a series with UMASS, Akron, FIU, FAU, GA State all could be considered.

Colgate and Holy Cross are traditional opponents and close by making it cost less to have them come play us. Plus being Patriot league there is less of a chance of them being competitive. I believe Fordham is the 3rd most played non Ivy team. I would rotate the three teams.

I would also rotate the Northeast G5 schools that we have a history with: UConn (14x including current series), Army (24x including current), Navy (27x), and Temple (36x).

For the B1G I would put them in personal preference order as the below. Really would want to keep it to the Top 4 most of the time.

1. Maryland (37x)
2. Rutgers (41x)
3. Penn State (71x)
4. Northwestern (11x)
5. Illinois (12x)
6. Michigan (12x)
7. Nebraska (12x)
8. Minnesota (5x)
9. Purdue (3x including current series)
10. Iowa (4x)
11. Wisconsin (5x)
12. Ohio State (5x)
13. Michigan State (12x)
14. Indiana (7x)

P12 would prefer the Top 4 too.

1. Stanford (0x)
2. UCLA (8x)
3. Arizona State (0x)
4. Colorado (1x)
5. Arizona (2x)
6. Utah (0x)
7. USC (4x)
8. Washington (4x)
9. Oregon (0x)
10. Cal (2x)
11. Washington State (1x)
12. Oregon State (7x)

If we need a 2nd G5 game then can rotate Ohio MAC schools.

Miami (4x)
Akron (3x)
Kent State (3x)
Toledo (3x)
Bowling Green (2x)
Ohio (2x including current series)

I would also consider Tulane (9x), FAU (0x), FIU (0x), USF (10x), Buffalo (4x), and UMass (0x).
 
Careful what you wish for with JMU. They know what they’re doing.
Oh for sure but I think it would still be a fun game to have at the dome and I have a feeling we are trending in a direction where teams like they won’t be like playing Liberty has been
 
I’m all about easy OOC games (we need them), let’s have our annual alliance game be Rutgers if possible; easy, make it a rivalry, help recruit in Jersey.

Or can it not be the same team every year?
 
I’m all about easy OOC games (we need them), let’s have our annual alliance game be Rutgers if possible; easy, make it a rivalry, help recruit in Jersey.

Or can it not be the same team every year?
I doubt we can play Rutgers every year. I do think we'll play the Big 10 east teams the most though.
 
Careful what you wish for with JMU. They know what they’re doing.
If we are worried about JMU we should give up big boy football. Not saying they can't upset us but we should go into the games as the Alpha Dog.
 
Unfortunately, the Alliance implications reduce the chances of having series with Vanderbilt, GA State, FAU, Tulane and others.

I agree with previous posts that the non-Alliance/ND games should all be winnable (including 2 “gimmies”).
 
If we are worried about JMU we should give up big boy football. Not saying they can't upset us but we should go into the games as the Alpha Dog.
It's not JMU per se. I'd much rather play an entity where we know where they'll be in five years. (Name your MAC school of choice.)
 
Play Uconn every year. Some years twice
 
Alright..

As AD, I'm not touching the 2023, 2025 or 2026 seasons and I'm going to 2030. Those completed years are between perfect and fine... and IF Notre Dame isn't in the ACC by then, they should count as an Alliance game, these schedules were in before the club formed. We will be checking the other teams and their openings and stick to their rules that I see in their future schedule. Usually most teams stick to one P5 or now Alliance game per year for most. Same with SU, but 2025, 2029, and maybe 2030 are exceptions.

For 2024, I am filling Rutgers in for the game we owe them from 2020 and getting it out of the way. I would try and make a yearly game vs Rutgers and add another P5 game + G5 + FCS. It's going to be one of the easiest P5 games on average and it'll always count as an Alliance game. Also. regional rival is nice. For the sake of this experiment. That will start in 2031...

SU actually has a deal with the MEAC, so all FCS games will be Regional or the MEAC Schools. Basically you can choose from a list of Stony Brook, Albany, Wagner, URI, Villanova, Colgate, New Hampshire, Monmouth, Holy Cross, Fordham, Howard, NC Central , Delaware St, Norfolk St, and SC St. Most of these teams are open from 2027-2030..which is what we will be trying to fill in.

Also going to take into account the conference realignment for the 2025 season.

Teams' availability in Power 5 and Alliance:

B1G.
Iowa is open 2027 through 2030.
Northwestern is open 2028 through 2030.
Michigan is open 2029 and 2030... (Bring the Go Blue Banner back?)
Penn State is open 2027 through 2030.
Rutgers is open 2028 and 2029.
P12.
USC is open 2027 through 2030.
Oregon St is open 2028 and 2029.

Other P5:
Baylor is open 2029 and 2030.
West Virginia is open 2029 and 2030.
Vanderbilt has an opening 2030.
Texas AM has an opening 2030.
BYU is open 2027 through 2030 and have schedule flexibility.
Cincinnati is open 2028 and 2029.
Houston is open 2028 through 2030.
with Texas and Oklahoma, not sure if their existing OOC SEC games will be moved thus they have openings...but we aren't playing them so whatevs..

These options for 2027 leaves the program against some pretty heavy hitters in Iowa, Penn State, or USC. I think you absolutely try and get WVU on for 2029 and 2030 for history sake, which means you still need an Alliance game in 2030. Going 4-0 out of conference is important. 3-1 is acceptable but we need to schedule closer to 2023 and 2026 to get those extra practices and bowl games more years than not.

G5
You can get a game with UConn. UMass, and Army anytime you want. Navy is never happening unless they and ND join the ACC together. I would advocate that hard to the ACC as your AD.

Temple, Toledo, and East Carolina are open 2029 and 2030.
Akron, Kent State, East Michigan, West Michigan, James Madison, and Coastal Carolina are open 2027 through 2030.
BGSU and Ball State 2028 through 2030
Buffalo 2027, 2029, and 2030.
Ohio 2028 and 2030
Central Michigan, FAU, and Charlotte 2028 and 2029.

2023
2024 (need 1 Alliance game)
  • 08/31 - Ohio
  • 9/7- at Rutgers
  • 9/14 - Howard
  • 09/21 - at Army
2025 (need 1 Alliance game)
2026 (need 1 Alliance game)
2027 (need 1 Alliance game)
  • TBA - USC(N)
  • TBA - Kent State
  • TBA - NC Central
  • 11/06 - at UConn
2028 (need 1 Alliance game)
  • TBA - at Northwestern
  • TBA - James Madison
  • TBA - Monmouth
  • TBA - Charlotte
2029 (need 1 Alliance game)
2030 (need 1 Alliance game)
  • TBA - Northwestern
  • TBA - at West Virginia
  • TBA - James Madison
  • TBA - Fordham
In addition to Rutgers in 2024, we added Howard. With two away games but both around the NYC metro area, it's a fun travel year.

2027 is trouble but we convince USC to get a game on a neutral site for a kickoff game in Vegas. Our West Coast Alum are happy and us on the East Coast get an excuse to get to Sin City. Win/Win and achieves a quality game which should happen every now and then. We get the WVU games in 2029 and 2030 and get Northwestern in the Journalism Bowls in 2028 and 2030.

With James Madison moving up, give them a 2 for 1 and travel on the year ND and WVU are home in 2029. Give Kent State and Charlotte some cash for a one off in 2027 and 2028. Fordham, Monmouth, NC Central finish off the FCS games.

So this decade we get to go to Atlanta, Vegas and Chicago and play an old rival. We travel to Connecticut and Virginia for some G5 games. Opportunities to go 4-0 or 3-1.

 
Alright..

As AD, I'm not touching the 2023, 2025 or 2026 seasons and I'm going to 2030. Those completed years are between perfect and fine... and IF Notre Dame isn't in the ACC by then, they should count as an Alliance game, these schedules were in before the club formed. We will be checking the other teams and their openings and stick to their rules that I see in their future schedule. Usually most teams stick to one P5 or now Alliance game per year for most. Same with SU, but 2025, 2029, and maybe 2030 are exceptions.

For 2024, I am filling Rutgers in for the game we owe them from 2020 and getting it out of the way. I would try and make a yearly game vs Rutgers and add another P5 game + G5 + FCS. It's going to be one of the easiest P5 games on average and it'll always count as an Alliance game. Also. regional rival is nice. For the sake of this experiment. That will start in 2031...

SU actually has a deal with the MEAC, so all FCS games will be Regional or the MEAC Schools. Basically you can choose from a list of Stony Brook, Albany, Wagner, URI, Villanova, Colgate, New Hampshire, Monmouth, Holy Cross, Fordham, Howard, NC Central , Delaware St, Norfolk St, and SC St. Most of these teams are open from 2027-2030..which is what we will be trying to fill in.

Also going to take into account the conference realignment for the 2025 season.

Teams' availability in Power 5 and Alliance:

B1G.
Iowa is open 2027 through 2030.
Northwestern is open 2028 through 2030.
Michigan is open 2029 and 2030... (Bring the Go Blue Banner back?)
Penn State is open 2027 through 2030.
Rutgers is open 2028 and 2029.
P12.
USC is open 2027 through 2030.
Oregon St is open 2028 and 2029.

Other P5:
Baylor is open 2029 and 2030.
West Virginia is open 2029 and 2030.
Vanderbilt has an opening 2030.
Texas AM has an opening 2030.
BYU is open 2027 through 2030 and have schedule flexibility.
Cincinnati is open 2028 and 2029.
Houston is open 2028 through 2030.
with Texas and Oklahoma, not sure if their existing OOC SEC games will be moved thus they have openings...but we aren't playing them so whatevs..

These options for 2027 leaves the program against some pretty heavy hitters in Iowa, Penn State, or USC. I think you absolutely try and get WVU on for 2029 and 2030 for history sake, which means you still need an Alliance game in 2030. Going 4-0 out of conference is important. 3-1 is acceptable but we need to schedule closer to 2023 and 2026 to get those extra practices and bowl games more years than not.

G5
You can get a game with UConn. UMass, and Army anytime you want. Navy is never happening unless they and ND join the ACC together. I would advocate that hard to the ACC as your AD.

Temple, Toledo, and East Carolina are open 2029 and 2030.
Akron, Kent State, East Michigan, West Michigan, James Madison, and Coastal Carolina are open 2027 through 2030.
BGSU and Ball State 2028 through 2030
Buffalo 2027, 2029, and 2030.
Ohio 2028 and 2030
Central Michigan, FAU, and Charlotte 2028 and 2029.


2023
2024 (need 1 Alliance game)
  • 08/31 - Ohio
  • 9/7- at Rutgers
  • 9/14 - Howard
  • 09/21 - at Army
2025 (need 1 Alliance game)
2026 (need 1 Alliance game)
2027 (need 1 Alliance game)
  • TBA - USC(N)
  • TBA - Kent State
  • TBA - NC Central
  • 11/06 - at UConn
2028 (need 1 Alliance game)
  • TBA - at Northwestern
  • TBA - James Madison
  • TBA - Monmouth
  • TBA - Charlotte
2029 (need 1 Alliance game)
2030 (need 1 Alliance game)
  • TBA - Northwestern
  • TBA - at West Virginia
  • TBA - James Madison
  • TBA - Fordham
In addition to Rutgers in 2024, we added Howard. With two away games but both around the NYC metro area, it's a fun travel year.

2027 is trouble but we convince USC to get a game on a neutral site for a kickoff game in Vegas. Our West Coast Alum are happy and us on the East Coast get an excuse to get to Sin City. Win/Win and achieves a quality game which should happen every now and then. We get the WVU games in 2029 and 2030 and get Northwestern in the Journalism Bowls in 2028 and 2030.

With James Madison moving up, give them a 2 for 1 and travel on the year ND and WVU are home in 2029. Give Kent State and Charlotte some cash for a one off in 2027 and 2028. Fordham, Monmouth, NC Central finish off the FCS games.

So this decade we get to go to Atlanta, Vegas and Chicago and play an old rival. We travel to Connecticut and Virginia for some G5 games. Opportunities to go 4-0 or 3-1.


I forgot about the MEAC agreement. So I would do a rotation like below:

Year 1- Colgate
Year 2- MEAC1 (Morgan State?)
Year 3- Holy Cross
Year 4- MEAC2 (Howard?)
Year 5- Colgate
Year 6- MEAC3 (Norfolk State?)
Year 7- Holy Cross
Year 8- MEAC4 (Delaware State?)
Year 9- Colgate
Year 10- MEAC5 (SC State?)
Year 11- Holy Cross
Year 12- MEAC6 (NC Central?)

So over the 12 years you play all 6 MEAC schools once, plus Colgate and Holy Cross 3x each. You can use this model for as long as we are allowed to play FCS schools.

WV wouldn't be part of the alliance so I doubt we see them.

I think we will see the 3 alliance conference go 3+5/5 and then play 2 OOC alliance games, with the exception for OOC rivalries and Notre Dame. To even things out and fill up ND's need for 10 P5 games, maybe they can add 2 B1G games per year.

So that leaves annually:

ACC 19 games (28 games - 4 SEC - 5 ND)
B1G 26 games (28 games - 2 ND)
P12 21 games (24 games - 2 ND - 1 BYU)

So if the ACC played 12 B1G and 7 P12 that would leave:

B1G 14 games
P12 14 games

Which works out perfectly as those 14 games are against each other.

ND would have 5 ACC, 2 B1G, USC, Stanford, Navy, 1 SEC/B12, 1 G5. That gives them 10 P5 games just like all the other P5 teams will have.

ACC gets 12 B1G games, 7 P12 games, 5 ND games, 4 SEC games
B1G gets 14 P12 games, 12 ACC games, 2 ND games
P12 gets 14 B1G games, 7 ACC games, 2 ND games, and 1 B12 game (BYU)

For SU over a 6 year period we would likely see:

6 games vs B1G (3 schools home and away)
4 games vs P12 (2 schools home and away)
2 games vs ND (home and away)

For the B1G games I think SU can get the Eastern schools (MD, RU, PSU) and NW. For the P12 we might get left overs.

With our 10 P5 games and 1 FCS game, that would leave room for only 1 G5 game. While I would love Navy, we can't get them while they are in the AAC. They do not have many openings (8 AAC games, ND, Army, Air Force). So I would rotate over a 7 year span:


Temple
@Army
UConn
@Temple
Army
UConn
@UConn

This gives us some variety while also playing traditional opponents. For UConn you go 2 for 1, so 4 out of 7 years we have 7 home games. For the 3 years that we only have 6 home games, we play once in West Point, once in Philly, and once in Hartford. Those are all easy for our fans to attend, and we aren't in a location too often to deter road attendance.

If the FCS games go away then we can play the 6 Ohio MAC schools on a rotation. So each team home and away once per 12 years.

Ideally I really want SU to play as many games in the Northeast as possible, while also playing traditional opponents. So Penn State, West Virginia, Colgate, Rutgers, Maryland, Temple, Holy Cross, Navy, Army, UConn. Outside of UConn we have played the other 9 schools two dozen or more times.

While Buffalo and UMass are in the Northeast, we have no history with either school and the games do not help recruiting. I suppose if UMass did a 2 for 1 with the 1 at Gillette it wouldn't be the worst thing. But we already play every other year in Boston and every now and then in Hartford. And would it even be worth it for Gillette to have a game with maybe 25k there? For Buffalo a 2 for 1 wouldn't be awful either, as long as we play them once in a blue moon. In the end IMO Temple, Army, UConn are way better options.
 
We need to also push for Pitt and BC to be split. That will give us one Northeast road ACC game a year. Would be great if we had 6-7 Dome games and 2 Northeast road games. That would mean 8-9 games a year in the Northeast. We would have 3 ACC road games in the South and ND/P12 OOC away from the Northeast. That IMO would be ideal.

Year 1 at 3 ACC, at Pitt, at Temple, at Notre Dame, 3 ACC, BC, MD, FCS
Year 2 at 3 ACC, at BC, at Maryland, 3 ACC, Pitt, Temple, P12, FCS
Year 3 at 3 ACC, at Pitt, at Army, at P12, 3 ACC, BC, RU, UConn
Year 4 at 3 ACC, at BC, at Rutgers, 3 ACC, Pitt, Army, Notre Dame, FCS
Year 5 at 3 ACC, at Pitt, at UConn, at P12, 3 ACC, BC, Penn State, FCS
Year 6 at 3 ACC, at BC, at Penn State, 3 ACC, Pitt, UConn, P12, FCS

That would give us:

51 games in the Northeast
... 39 games in Syracuse, NY
... 3 games in Boston, MA
... 3 games in Pittsburgh, PA
... 1 game in College Park, MD
... 1 game in Piscataway, NJ
... 1 game in State College, PA
... 1 game in Philadelphia, PA
... 1 game in West Point, NY
... 1 game in Hartford, CT
18 games in the South (although 3 of those will be in VA which isn't too far South)
2 games in the West
1 game in South Bend, IN

If the FCS games go away I would try for 2 for 1s with UMass, Buffalo, or Ohio MAC schools to keep as many games in the Northeast as possible.

Edit

The 18 Southern games would likely yield:

6 games in NC (1 yearly game)
3 games in VA (game every other year)
3 games in FL (game every other year)
3 games in KY (game every other year... assuming we get stuck with Louisville as a yearly game)
1-2 games in GA
1-2 games in SC

Edit II

Plenty of variety too:

6 games vs
... BC
... Pitt
... Louisville
3 games vs
... UVA
... VA Tech
... Miami
... FSU
... GA Tech
... Clemson
... UNC
... NC State
... Duke
... Wake
... UConn
2 games vs
... MD
... RU
... PSU
... ND
... P12 Team A
... P12 Team B
... Temple
... Army
1 game vs
... Colgate
... Holy Cross
... MEAC Team A
... MEAC Team B
... MEAC Team C

That is 27 different opponents over a 6 year span.

Or if FCS games go away add 3x vs UMass (2 for 1) and 2x vs Ohio MAC Team A, for 24 different teams played. That would knock it down to 50 Northeast games (down to 37 in Syracuse, NY but add 1 in MA) and add one game to OH. Yes, 21 of those 24 teams would be the same 21 teams over and over. Only the P12 games and Ohio MAC games would be outside of that. But it is still 21 teams which doesn't make things stale.

Edit III

While this would be great from SU's perspective, it takes 2 to tango.

Penn State- 2 games vs SU in 6 years is too much given desirable ACC games vs BC, Pitt, UVA, VA Tech, FSU, Miami. Might need to change them to 2 games in 12 years. We can have Northwestern replace the 2 less games. That is one less Northeast game and adds Chicago, IL to the list.

Rutgers- desirable games vs old ACC foes in Pitt, BC, VA Tech, and Miami. We might be able to pull off 2 games in 6 years.

Maryland- every other ACC team except Louisville. Probably need to change them to 2 games in 12 years. I guess we could rotate through the rest of the B1G. Gives plenty of variety. One less Northeast game and adds another game in the Midwest to the list.

Temple- they definitely want closer games given their conference. But with historical Penn State, Pitt, BC, RU, VA Tech, MD, Cincy all nearby it will be hard. So we are looking at 2 games in 12 years. We would need to replace them with UMass, Buffalo, or an Ohio MAC (meaning 1 less NE game and one more OH game). I would also consider Tulane, who we have a history with. Going to New Orleans once every 12 years seem like a good idea.

Army and UConn we can probably pull off given their need for games as Independents.

So it would be more like:

Year 1 at 3 ACC, at Pitt, at Temple, at Notre Dame, 3 ACC, BC, MD, FCS
Year 2 at 3 ACC, at BC, at Maryland, 3 ACC, Pitt, Temple, P12, FCS
Year 3 at 3 ACC, at Pitt, at Army, at P12, 3 ACC, BC, RU, UConn
Year 4 at 3 ACC, at BC, at Rutgers, 3 ACC, Pitt, Army, Notre Dame, FCS
Year 5 at 3 ACC, at Pitt, at UConn, at P12, 3 ACC, BC, Penn State, FCS
Year 6 at 3 ACC, at BC, at Penn State, 3 ACC, Pitt, UConn, P12, FCS
Year 7 at 3 ACC, at Pitt, at UMass, at Notre Dame, 3 ACC, BC, Northwestern, FCS
Year 8 at 3 ACC, at BC, at Northwestern, 3 ACC, Pitt, UMass, P12, FCS
Year 9 at 3 ACC, at Pitt, at Army, at P12, 3 ACC, BC, RU, UConn
Year 10 at 3 ACC, at BC, at Rutgers, 3 ACC, Pitt, Army, Notre Dame, FCS
Year 11 at 3 ACC, at Pitt, at UConn, at P12, 3 ACC, BC, B1G, UMass
Year 12 at 3 ACC, at BC, at B1G, 3 ACC, Pitt, UConn, P12, FCS


12 games vs
... BC
... Pitt
... Louisville (really hope we don't get stuck with them)
6 games vs
... UVA
... VA Tech
... Miami
... FSU
... GA Tech
... Clemson
... UNC
... NC State
... Duke
... Wake
... UConn
4 games vs
... RU
... ND
... Army
3 games vs
... UMass
2 games vs
... MD
... PSU
... Northwestern
... B1G Team A
... P12 Team A
... P12 Team B
... P12 Team C
... P12 Team D
... Temple
... Colgate
1 game vs
... Holy Cross
... MEAC Team A
... MEAC Team B
... MEAC Team C
... MEAC Team D
... MEAC Team E
... MEAC Team

That is 35 different schools over a dozen years.

100 games in the Northeast
... 78 games in Syracuse, NY
... 6 games in Boston, MA
... 6 games in Pittsburgh, PA
... 1 game in College Park, MD
... 2 games in Piscataway, NJ
... 1 game in State College, PA
... 1 game in Philadelphia, PA
... 2 games in West Point, NY
... 2 games in Hartford, CT
... 1 game in Foxborough, MA
36 games in the South
... 12 games in NC (yearly game)
... 6 games in VA (game every other year)
... 6 games in FL (game every other year)
... 6 games in Louisville, KY (game every other year... assuming we get stuck as a yearly game)
... 3 games in Atlanta, GA
... 3 games in Clemson, SC
4 games in the West
... 4 different locations (hopefully UCLA, ASU, Colorado are 3 of those)
4 games in the Midwest
... 2 game in South Bend, IN
... 1 game in Chicago, IL
... 1 additional location

Edit IV

If FCS goes away then you try to get 2 for 1s vs 3 of the 6 Ohio MAC schools. That would drop Syracuse, NY to 75 and the Northeast to 97. Midwest goes up to 7 games with 3 in Ohio. We would have 3 Ohio MAC schools 3x each. Overall it is 6 less teams played, or 29 total. If we can't get an Ohio MAC team to bite we can offer Buffalo (keeps game in NE), Tulane (adds a game in the South), or Marshall (NE?) a 2 for 1 deal. Worst case you move onto the Directional Michigan MAC schools as 2 for 1s.
 
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We need to also push for Pitt and BC to be split. That will give us one Northeast road ACC game a year. Would be great if we had 6-7 Dome games and 2 Northeast road games. That would mean 8-9 games a year in the Northeast. We would have 3 ACC road games in the South and ND/P12 OOC away from the Northeast. That IMO would be ideal.

Year 1 at 3 ACC, at Pitt, at Temple, at Notre Dame, 3 ACC, BC, MD, FCS
Year 2 at 3 ACC, at BC, at Maryland, 3 ACC, Pitt, Temple, P12, FCS
Year 3 at 3 ACC, at Pitt, at Army, at P12, 3 ACC, BC, RU, UConn
Year 4 at 3 ACC, at BC, at Rutgers, 3 ACC, Pitt, Army, Notre Dame, FCS
Year 5 at 3 ACC, at Pitt, at UConn, at P12, 3 ACC, BC, Penn State, FCS
Year 6 at 3 ACC, at BC, at Penn State, 3 ACC, Pitt, UConn, P12, FCS

That would give us:

51 games in the Northeast
... 39 games in Syracuse, NY
... 3 games in Boston, MA
... 3 games in Pittsburgh, PA
... 1 game in College Park, MD
... 1 game in Piscataway, NJ
... 1 game in State College, PA
... 1 game in Philadelphia, PA
... 1 game in West Point, NY
... 1 game in Hartford, CT
18 games in the South (although 3 of those will be in VA which isn't too far South)
2 games in the West
1 game in South Bend, IN

If the FCS games go away I would try for 2 for 1s with UMass, Buffalo, or Ohio MAC schools to keep as many games in the Northeast as possible.

Edit

The 18 Southern games would likely yield:

6 games in NC (1 yearly game)
3 games in VA (game every other year)
3 games in FL (game every other year)
3 games in KY (game every other year... assuming we get stuck with Louisville as a yearly game)
1-2 games in GA
1-2 games in SC

Edit II

Plenty of variety too:

6 games vs
... BC
... Pitt
... Louisville
3 games vs
... UVA
... VA Tech
... Miami
... FSU
... GA Tech
... Clemson
... UNC
... NC State
... Duke
... Wake
... UConn
2 games vs
... MD
... RU
... PSU
... ND
... P12 Team A
... P12 Team B
... Temple
... Army
1 game vs
... Colgate
... Holy Cross
... MEAC Team A
... MEAC Team B
... MEAC Team C

That is 27 different opponents over a 6 year span.

Or if FCS games go away add 3x vs UMass (2 for 1) and 2x vs Ohio MAC Team A, for 24 different teams played. That would knock it down to 50 Northeast games (down to 37 in Syracuse, NY but add 1 in MA) and add one game to OH. Yes, 21 of those 24 teams would be the same 21 teams over and over. Only the P12 games and Ohio MAC games would be outside of that. But it is still 21 teams which doesn't make things stale.
Problem with all of this is it would require every single school to agree to this layout. And I'm not sure it would work for the other conferences without a handful of schools getting screwed. In which case, why are we getting thr perfect scenario?

I'm all for a schedule like that tho. Lol.
I tried to stay within the rules as much as possible.
 
Problem with all of this is it would require every single school to agree to this layout. And I'm not sure it would work for the other conferences without a handful of schools getting screwed. In which case, why are we getting thr perfect scenario?

I'm all for a schedule like that tho. Lol.
I tried to stay within the rules as much as possible.

ACC and Notre Dame games are set already. That is 50 of our 72 games over a 6 year span. I think we can get Rutgers, UConn, and Army to agree to a series every 6 years. It makes as much sense for them as it does for us. That gets us to 57 out of 72 games. As long as we are allowed to we should play an FCS game. We should be able to get 1 game vs Colgate, 1 game vs Holy Cross, and 3 games vs different MEAC schools over a 6 year period no problem. That is now 62 of 72 games. The 4 P12 games are part of the alliance and they have already agreed to those games. That leaves only 6 games left to schedule.

While ideally those 6 games would be 2 each vs Penn State, Maryland, and Temple as you stated it would require mutual desire. That is very doubtful for these three schools. We are more likely looking at playing them home and away once every 12 years vs 6 years. So we will need to find 2 more B1G teams to add to the rotation and 1 more G5.
 
ACC and Notre Dame games are set already. That is 50 of our 72 games over a 6 year span. I think we can get Rutgers, UConn, and Army to agree to a series every 6 years. It makes as much sense for them as it does for us. That gets us to 57 out of 72 games. As long as we are allowed to we should play an FCS game. We should be able to get 1 game vs Colgate, 1 game vs Holy Cross, and 3 games vs different MEAC schools over a 6 year period no problem. That is now 62 of 72 games. The 4 P12 games are part of the alliance and they have already agreed to those games. That leaves only 6 games left to schedule.

While ideally those 6 games would be 2 each vs Penn State, Maryland, and Temple as you stated it would require mutual desire. That is very doubtful for these three schools. We are more likely looking at playing them home and away once every 12 years vs 6 years. So we will need to find 2 more B1G teams to add to the rotation and 1 more G5.

I meant all the Alliance teams would have to agree to this scheduling format and these rotations made for each team. I love it in theory and the math seems to work. But not every team will get the perfect or dream scenario they want...and let's be real...especially Syracuse. You gave us the Syracuse dream schedule under

Unfortunately I don't ever see it happening unless there revenue sharing among the 41 schools. The reports have already been that it won't be some 10-15 year rotation (except your 2 G5/FCS games). More likely the 8 conference games will rotate without divisions, and you will schedule your 2 OOC Alliance games every offseason like basketball.
 

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