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can dungey make the leap next year (crazy talk bear with me)

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so much of the game now is the QBs mind making all the checks and reads

the world is your oyster in this offense

i might be nuts but i don't think mayfield is that gifted, he's just really smart when it comes to playing (really stupid in non-playing ways)

wolford is nothing special talent wise and it showed his first three years. now look at him - 1,000 more yards, way more efficient.

if dungey has the senior year light bulb moment along with his other talents, what does this offense do if he has a 150 qb rating? is a 15% improvement in yards per play reasonable? I think so

if so, at this years number of plays, that equal 524 yards per game

that's 6th in the country.

What if the defense gets only 5% better per play? that's only 94th in the country. It's not unreasonable to expect that. at the same number of plays, that gets you giving up 420 yards per game

If you average 104 more yards than your opponents, you're going to be really good

Now the defense might face more plays by not giving up so many long TDs... raining on the parade

But still, this shows what is possible when you crank up the pace and get extra plays by not punting as much

it wouldn't surprise me if babers does this sort of math when he projects out when his teams make the leap. crank up the number of plays takes some time to get there but he eventually thinks his offense will be better than theirs and you amplify it with way more plays from pace and non-punts
 
He is going to tear the ACC into shreds. Don't worry about receivers, that is Babers specialty.
 
Dungey’s heisman campaign/body rests in the O lines hands.


Our running game should improve.

Our Oline’s development is EVERYTHING. We face arguably the best defensive lines in the NCAAs annually.
 
This improvement has to come from Eric doing a better job of making reads and working through progressions. I firmly believe that's what it will take. Rather than killing himself on a 7 yard run, how about an extra 7-9 yards over the middle to a tight end? Save his body and live to play a whole season. The yards will come as he does better seeing the field as a QB rather than as a RB.

It doesn't mean he has to stop running totally, but watch Babers' last season at BG and you'll see what needs to be done.
 
Millhouse said:
so much of the game now is the QBs mind making all the checks and reads

the world is your oyster in this offense

i might be nuts but i don't think mayfield is that gifted, he's just really smart when it comes to playing (really stupid in non-playing ways)

wolford is nothing special talent wise and it showed his first three years. now look at him - 1,000 more yards, way more efficient.

if dungey has the senior year light bulb moment along with his other talents, what does this offense do if he has a 150 qb rating? is a 15% improvement in yards per play reasonable? I think so

if so, at this years number of plays, that equal 524 yards per game

that's 6th in the country.

What if the defense gets only 5% better per play? that's only 94th in the country. It's not unreasonable to expect that. at the same number of plays, that gets you giving up 420 yards per game

If you average 104 more yards than your opponents, you're going to be really good

Now the defense might face more plays by not giving up so many long TDs... raining on the parade

But still, this shows what is possible when you crank up the pace and get extra plays by not punting as much

it wouldn't surprise me if babers does this sort of math when he projects out when his teams make the leap. crank up the number of plays takes some time to get there but he eventually thinks his offense will be better than theirs and you amplify it with way more plays from pace and non-punts
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If Perry P and RJ Anderson can do it, ED can.
 
factories don't like to go with this approach because you're thinking perfect season and you don't want to amplify the plays against that one team that might be better than you, you want to beat them in a slugfest knowing that you don't need to amplify the number of plays against teams you're so much better than per play

we're never going to have a huge per play advantage because the defense won't be consistently great but we're going to amplify small advantages against our peers and then we hope for the best against factories - if you create chaos, you might catch a break against one or two of them
 
If the oline catches up the rest takes care of itself.. by year end teams were running 6 in the box and still stuffing the run enough it took away passing lanes. Neal showed that with just a few holes a RB can rush close to a 100. but you have to believe the oline is just some small bit better next year , if its better than that then the offense takes off and thats without better QB play.

WR play doesnt need to be better, just consistent which is what Dino always says. ISH made 3-4 catches a game that were tough, the majority were scheme based and teams never worried about him running by them. If we add that then the safety cant just abuse the run and play action game.

we had a backup and a backups backup throw for 200-300 in a half the last 2 weeks. That shows you what the offense can do.
 
Pyle said:
I feel like Nassib had a big jump too. I mean he was good as a junior, but his last year was lights out.
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i think dungey will have a bigger jump, he's better than nassib was his first 3 years overall (third year dip), mostly because I expect more TDs
 
This offense needs the defense to be all caught up in defending an accurate QB making quick reads. Dungey appears to abandon that too quickly. He’s a good runner and our RB’s have been suspect - so it’s kind of a shoehorned version of the BG/Baylor O.

If he’s better protected, maybe he doesn’t bail so quickly. He’s a dangerous enough passer that he can make the jump. If he wants to.
 
I think he definitely make another leap per say. He doesn’t have the arm strength Mayfield has, but I get what you are laying down.

There’s no reason he can’t become a better passing threat. He doesn’t really have glaring weaknesses out there either.
 
Millhouse said:
he'll get there, with a zillion reps, he'll have no choice. guy with no hands will be a 90 catch guy in a year or two
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Agree with this. Remember what AET's rep was before he arrived here.
 
javadoc said:
I recall them looking a lot different/better as seniors.
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Nunes, RJ, Perry, Nassib, even McNabb. All were much better passers their senior year than the other years. One might say that some of them had nowhere to go but up, but still.

I would hope that happens with Dungey too, it makes sense that it would. I also hope his games played per season goes up. To, say, 13.
 
I'm just looking for him to make a small leap that will make a huge difference to our fortunes next year: learning when to take a hit and when to avoid one. If you're scrambling, the mantra I've always heard is, "First down, touchdown, get down." If you're fighting for a first, you can take a hit. If you are fighting for the TD, you can take a hit. But if it's 2nd-and-10 and you've picked up 15 yards, do NOT take a hit trying to turn 17 into 20.

That alone keeps him on the field and keeps him from being all banged up, which is what we need from him more than anything else. Any other improvement would be gravy.
 
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