Curse of Coach P

CUSENEPA

Walk On
Joined
Sep 12, 2015
Messages
9
Like
4
After nearly twenty years of disappointment I’m officially resigned myself to the firing of Coach P. Canned following a bowl game which we can only dream of making these days. It’s like the Cubs and the goat. Thoughts?
 

OrangeXtreme

The Mayor of Dewitt
Joined
Aug 15, 2011
Messages
154,455
Like
227,255
We fired a guy who went 6-6 on his worst day.

Since then we beg the football gods just to get back to 6-6.

The gods are cruel, and they have long memories.

After the Israelites sinned at Mount Sinai, God made them wander the desert for 40 years before they were allowed to enter the Promised Land.

GoldenCalf.jpg



We've only been wandering for 17 years. Long way to go.
 

sufandu

Living Legend
Joined
Aug 30, 2011
Messages
10,838
Like
13,995
We fired a guy who went 6-6 on his worst day.

Since then we beg the football gods just to get back to 6-6.

The gods are cruel, and they have long memories.

After the Israelites sinned at Mount Sinai, God made them wander the desert for 40 years until they were allowed to enter the Promised Land.

View attachment 208288


We've only been wandering for 17 years. Long way to go.
Well, 4-8 was actually his worst.

He shouldn't have been fired the way he was. I suspect he would have been a few years later though, hopefully with a bit more respect and a better replacement.
 

OrangePA

Hall of Fame
Joined
Aug 24, 2011
Messages
9,043
Like
11,294
After nearly twenty years of disappointment I’m officially resigned myself to the firing of Coach P. Canned following a bowl game which we can only dream of making these days. It’s like the Cubs and the goat. Thoughts?
It's the curse of the folks who made decisions back in 2004 who didn't understand the situation, and the curse of locals - like Brent Axe - who mouth off for attention - and don't know or understand the facts or the inner workings of major college football.
 

GoSU96

Living Legend
Joined
Aug 17, 2011
Messages
16,228
Like
24,596
P was let go at the right time, IMO. His tenure was… tired.
It was the WAY it was done, AND the guy who replaced him, that was the real mistake.
No, if you change just to make a change and you screw up the second part, the the first part is just as bad.

it’s one decision, a single screw up
 

DoctorBombay

All American
Joined
Aug 27, 2011
Messages
6,490
Like
12,766
No, if you change just to make a change and you screw up the second part, the the first part is just as bad.

it’s one decision, a single screw up
That’s just it…i disagree that letting P go was “a change just to make a change”. In hindsight, it ended up being a bad decision- but at the time it happened, i agreed w/ it & still do to this day.
P’s teams were starting to get blown out on a regular basis. After years of being in the top half of the league, we’d started backsliding in what was a very mediocre Big East.
Fans had grown entitled, and bored. Did we take P for granted? Of course. We aren’t the first fanbase or program to not appreciate what we have because we “should” be better.
But at the time, letting P go was at best a 65-35 proposition, w/ most folks wanting him gone.
Now, had we made a good solid hire w/ proven NE roots to pick up the mantle and keep the program on track, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Instead in our lofty quest to become the “USC of the North”, we found GRob.
In any case, P deserved better than he got, and Darryl made a horrendous mistake. Those 2 things are mutually exclusive, imo.
 

All4SU

Living Legend
Joined
Aug 26, 2011
Messages
11,540
Like
15,603
Had they addressed the root problem - investment in facilities and assistants - rather than just bring frustrated over wins and losses, we could have ridden out the down cycle with Coach P, and SU would have remained a top program in the East. Impatience and short-sightedness cost us dearly.
 

elimunelson

All Conference
Joined
Aug 27, 2011
Messages
3,713
Like
5,818
No, if you change just to make a change and you screw up the second part, the the first part is just as bad.

it’s one decision, a single screw up
The big issue was Jake retiring. Had he stayed the transition would have been smoother. P was going to leave at some point. The time he did was atrocious. Give him 2005/2006 and maybe the UConn ascension is minimalized, maybe Rutgers stays mediocre.
 

721Comstock

2019-20 Iggy Co-Winner Leading Rebounder
Joined
Sep 1, 2015
Messages
14,104
Like
53,611
The big issue was Jake retiring. Had he stayed the transition would have been smoother. P was going to leave at some point. The time he did was atrocious. Give him 2005/2006 and maybe the UConn ascension is minimalized, maybe Rutgers stays mediocre.

Neither of those last 2 things is a ‘maybe’.

“Nature abhors a vacuum”.

When Cuse got the death penalty by virtue of hiring GERG, Rutgers and UConn were able to move in and move up.
It’s not a coincidence.

I mean, Ray Rice flipped from Syracuse to Rutgers after P got canned, and he was the catalyst for them becoming some semblance of respectable.
(at least for a little while).

IF P stays even 1 more season, that never happens.
And having a stud player like that probably keeps us winning for another 3-4 years, rather than wandering in the desert, and having to dig out of a crater the depth of the Mariana Trench.
 

zjscuse

Starter
Joined
Jan 23, 2014
Messages
1,026
Like
1,536
What do you mean MaN doc HolLYwOoD is going to make us the uSC of tHe nOrTh. I listened to a Podcast I can’t remember who’s I think it was Tyler maronas, and either him or the person he was interviewing literally said g rob on his recruiting pitch stated that they just needed to come in and do strength and conditioning and he was a guaranteed starter lol
 

texascpa

Living Legend
Joined
Aug 26, 2011
Messages
11,142
Like
14,097
Well, 4-8 was actually his worst.

He shouldn't have been fired the way he was. I suspect he would have been a few years later though, hopefully with a bit more respect and a better replacement.

If he wasn't fired, we would have had Ray Rice, and who knows how good of a 4 years we would have had.
 

Cusefan78

Starter
Joined
Aug 30, 2011
Messages
1,358
Like
2,011
The big issue was Jake retiring. Had he stayed the transition would have been smoother. P was going to leave at some point. The time he did was atrocious. Give him 2005/2006 and maybe the UConn ascension is minimalized, maybe Rutgers stays mediocre.
Jake stayed too long. At the end he settled in when we needed someone to keep pushing. We lost recruits not because of a tired program it was because of tired facilities. If p had some basic improvements like weight rooms and locker rooms things would have been a lot better.
 

OrangeXtreme

The Mayor of Dewitt
Joined
Aug 15, 2011
Messages
154,455
Like
227,255
Jake stayed too long. At the end he settled in when we needed someone to keep pushing. We lost recruits not because of a tired program it was because of tired facilities. If p had some basic improvements like weight rooms and locker rooms things would have been a lot better.

Jake had a huge list of facilities improvements that he wanted to make. But he didn't have the money in the budget.

And Buzz wouldn't open up the checkbook. Back then, everytime SU went to a bowl game, the Athletic Department couldn't keep the money. It went into the General Fund. We had a decent run from 87-98, but the football program never saw that money reinvested.

So Jake did the best he could with what he had to work with.
 

sufandu

Living Legend
Joined
Aug 30, 2011
Messages
10,838
Like
13,995
If he wasn't fired, we would have had Ray Rice, and who knows how good of a 4 years we would have had.
Maybe. I'm not sure one player that's not a QB changes the whole program's trajectory. In 2002 Walter Reyes ran for over 1100 yards and set the single season record for rushing TDs (17) and we were 4-8. The next year he ran for over 1300, coming close to Joe Morris's record, and broke his single season record for rushing TDs (20) and we were 6-6.
 

Cuse1985

Walk On
Joined
Sep 30, 2018
Messages
136
Like
239
Sometimes i miss the short side option on third down. I remember being at Virginia and the entire Syracuse section booing him when he ran to the tunnel at halftime and i never felt worse for a coach(or anyone) from the look on his face. It was over then and there for him.
 

dollarbill44

All American
Joined
Aug 28, 2011
Messages
7,200
Like
10,193
Jake had a huge list of facilities improvements that he wanted to make. But he didn't have the money in the budget.

And Buzz wouldn't open up the checkbook. Back then, everytime SU went to a bowl game, the Athletic Department couldn't keep the money. It went into the General Fund. We had a decent run from 87-98, but the football program never saw that money reinvested.

So Jake did the best he could with what he had to work with.
Wait, are you saying that there were actually several factors? That's not allowed.
You make a very strong point that shouldn't be overlooked or forgotten. And that is, Buzz was not a strong advocate for the athletic department, particularly the football team.
 

dollarbill44

All American
Joined
Aug 28, 2011
Messages
7,200
Like
10,193
Sometimes i miss the short side option on third down. I remember being at Virginia and the entire Syracuse section booing him when he ran to the tunnel at halftime and i never felt worse for a coach(or anyone) from the look on his face. It was over then and there for him.
That game stunk.
 

elimunelson

All Conference
Joined
Aug 27, 2011
Messages
3,713
Like
5,818
Jake had a huge list of facilities improvements that he wanted to make. But he didn't have the money in the budget.

And Buzz wouldn't open up the checkbook. Back then, everytime SU went to a bowl game, the Athletic Department couldn't keep the money. It went into the General Fund. We had a decent run from 87-98, but the football program never saw that money reinvested.

So Jake did the best he could with what he had to work with.
Wait we arguing that Jake wasn’t the best AD the school ever had and prob a top 5 AD in Big East/Northeastern sports ever? I didn’t expect anyone to say anything negative about Jake.

He was gruff but boy did he run a great athletic dept in his run. I wish the school pleaded w him to pick his successor and figure out how to modernize the dept. the modernity of college sports happened a few times in his tenure. By mid 2000s it was a facility game which there wasn’t funds for.

I would agree that Ray Rice would have been a Tucker like success.
 

dollarbill44

All American
Joined
Aug 28, 2011
Messages
7,200
Like
10,193
Wait we arguing that Jake wasn’t the best AD the school ever had and prob a top 5 AD in Big East/Northeastern sports ever? I didn’t expect anyone to say anything negative about Jake.

He was gruff but boy did he run a great athletic dept in his run. I wish the school pleaded w him to pick his successor and figure out how to modernize the dept. the modernity of college sports happened a few times in his tenure. By mid 2000s it was a facility game which there wasn’t funds for.

I would agree that Ray Rice would have been a Tucker like success.
I didn't get that take at all from the post.
 
Top Bottom