Duke pay to play???

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I stopped caring about college hoops, and SU, in fanatical way several years ago. This is exactly why. Its like finding out there is no Santa as a kid. We aren't playing on a level playing field.. so for me now its meh
 

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I think it's really sad/embarrassing, that the FBI has been investigating quite few high-profile matters, and has come up with bupkis. Kinda hard to imagine that there was only smoke and no fire in every single one of them. They can arrest minor assistants, but never come up with the big fish? It's not even as if any of this is so well-concealed. They can't interview people under oath, and then use that threat of perjury to get to the real truth, Ruth?
 

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I think it's really sad/embarrassing, that the FBI has been investigating quite few high-profile matters, and has come up with bupkis. Kinda hard to imagine that there was only smoke and no fire in every single one of them. They can arrest minor assistants, but never come up with the big fish? It's not even as if any of this is so well-concealed. They can't interview people under oath, and then use that threat of perjury to get to the real truth, Ruth?
not sure I'd call Will Wade and Book on tape boasting of their payment methods "bupkis"
 

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So we have Michael Avenatti and Gilbert Arenas. I mean who wouldn't believe these two guys. I'm sure there have been 2 worse character witnesses at some point in recent memory.
 

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I know nothing will come of this but that doesn't mean I don't read the tweets and enjoy them and have them put a smile on my face. So at least they are accomplishing something.
 

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There's nothing to see here. Duke University conducted a full, exhaustive, wall-to-wall, thorough and thorough-going, complete, in-depth, all-out, all-encompassing, all-inclusive, all-embracing, replete, extensive, intensive, meticulous, detailed, definitive, painstaking, sweeping and encyclopedic investigation and found no evidence of basketball players being paid. Case closed.
 

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I think it's really sad/embarrassing, that the FBI has been investigating quite few high-profile matters, and has come up with bupkis. Kinda hard to imagine that there was only smoke and no fire in every single one of them. They can arrest minor assistants, but never come up with the big fish? It's not even as if any of this is so well-concealed. They can't interview people under oath, and then use that threat of perjury to get to the real truth, Ruth?
The FBI only investigated Adidas schools and that was because the case literally dropped into their laps from another case. The didn't investigate Nike or any other shoe company. People have gone to jail and Arizona and NC State have been notified of potential violations from what the FBI uncovered.
 

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The FBI only investigated Adidas schools and that was because the case literally dropped into their laps from another case. The didn't investigate Nike or any other shoe company. People have gone to jail and Arizona and NC State have been notified of potential violations from what the FBI uncovered.
LSU and Auburn need to get hit too. Huge lack of institutional control and head coach responsibility violations at both those places. If JB had to pay for our stupid minor violations, guys like a Miller and Wade both need to get canned and the schools hit with major sanctions.
 
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The FBI only investigated Adidas schools and that was because the case literally dropped into their laps from another case. The didn't investigate Nike or any other shoe company. People have gone to jail and Arizona and NC State have been notified of potential violations from what the FBI uncovered.
But why wouldn’t they go further and take the next logical step? They have to know it’s not limited to Adidas. Why impose such an artificial limit? The fbi can’t self-initiate investigations?
 

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There's nothing to see here. Duke University conducted a full, exhaustive, wall-to-wall, thorough and thorough-going, complete, in-depth, all-out, all-encompassing, all-inclusive, all-embracing, replete, extensive, intensive, meticulous, detailed, definitive, painstaking, sweeping and encyclopedic investigation and found no evidence of basketball players being paid. Case closed.
In a related story, the fox has concluded his report on the cause of hen house atrocities...and has found no evidence that any fox caused any of the hens (all now dead) harm.
 

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But why wouldn’t they go further and take the next logical step? They have to know it’s not limited to Adidas. Why impose such an artificial limit? The fbi can’t self-initiate investigations?
Of course they can self-initiate. But where should they start? What "probable cause" (PC) do they have to get wiretaps on people that work for and the schools connected to Nike? The wiretaps that gave the treasure trove of evidence of violations were originally on a financial fraudster that they were pursuing and the people connected to Adidas started calling him and to talk about the under the table payments. That's how the Adidas case dropped into their laps. Once people started talking to the fraudster, it now allowed the FBI to expand the number of wiretaps because they now had PC to go after those people for "defrauding an institution that receives Federal funds" (the usual Federal funds used as the basis are Pell Grants and research money).

There's a line in the book Gorky Park by Martin Cruz Smith that's meant to be derogatory about the FBI, but it's still true. It's something along the line of, "They can't do anything without their informants." If someone in the Nike chain gets caught for something else and decides to cooperate with the Bureau to get a break on sentencing, that could give them the PC to go after wiretaps, etc., against dook, Can't-tucky, UNC-CHeat, and the others everyone "knows" are cheating.
 

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Of course they can self-initiate. But where should they start? What "probable cause" (PC) do they have to get wiretaps on people that work for and the schools connected to Nike? The wiretaps that gave the treasure trove of evidence of violations were originally on a financial fraudster that they were pursuing and the people connected to Adidas started calling him and to talk about the under the table payments. That's how the Adidas case dropped into their laps. Once people started talking to the fraudster, it now allowed the FBI to expand the number of wiretaps because they now had PC to go after those people for "defrauding an institution that receives Federal funds" (the usual Federal funds used as the basis are Pell Grants and research money).

There's a line in the book Gorky Park by Martin Cruz Smith that's meant to be derogatory about the FBI, but it's still true. It's something along the line of, "They can't do anything without their informants." If someone in the Nike chain gets caught for something else and decides to cooperate with the Bureau to get a break on sentencing, that could give them the PC to go after wiretaps, etc., against dook, Can't-tucky, UNC-CHeat, and the others everyone "knows" are cheating.
All true and the other point is that payments to recruits/players is only mildly interesting as a crime, which is the FBIs province. They really have to stretch to fit it into the definition of criminal conduct that they should be expending resources on.

It fits squarely into the definition of NCAA rules violation. Unfortunately, the NCAA doesn't have the invetigatory tools available to it that the FBI does. And some would argue it doesn't have the motivation to conduct the investigation even if it did have the tools......something about it being dumb to bite the hand that feeds you.
 

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All true and the other point is that payments to recruits/players is only mildly interesting as a crime, which is the FBIs province. They really have to stretch to fit it into the definition of criminal conduct that they should be expending resources on.

It fits squarely into the definition of NCAA rules violation. Unfortunately, the NCAA doesn't have the invetigatory tools available to it that the FBI does. And some would argue it doesn't have the motivation to conduct the investigation even if it did have the tools...something about it being dumb to bite the hand that feeds you.
Exactamente. I don't agree with those who make the "bite the hand that feeds you" argument. after the Supreme Court decisions in the 80s that gave the schools control over their TV rights, the only source of revenue for the NCAA in India-noplace became the TV rights to their championships. D-1A football is a non-championship sport. The NCAA gets a grand total of $0.00 from the regular season and the bowls. They whacked USC-w hard over Reggie Bush. That had zero effect on their revenue stream.

In basketball, the CBS contract is the moneymaker. The contract specifies exactly how much the NCAA will receive in a given year regardless of who is or isn't in the tournament for whatever reason. If dook plays in the tournament they get $X. If dook doesn't play because the VLF's back has fallen apart again and they have another losing record, they get the same $X. If dook doesn't play because they finally got caught and are on probation, India-noplace gets (you guessed it) the same $X. The contract runs through, IIRC, 2024.

There's no financial incentive for them to look the other way. Plus, if they whack a blue blood in a sport, the other schools that don't cheat feel the playing field has been made a little more level.
 
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But why wouldn’t they go further and take the next logical step? They have to know it’s not limited to Adidas. Why impose such an artificial limit? The fbi can’t self-initiate investigations?
Crimes without victims?
 

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