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Consistently good is the key as Dino always says.

You go back and watch the game and you see guys 1-yd off where they need to be.. When that happens against very athletic players bad things happen.. angles/leverage mean so much on D at the speed these players attack you and until you see it and feel it its hard to do it right..

Much like last yr. We saw it vs Clemson and Pitt and changed the scheme a bit then ND came in and we did so many things wrong again. Our LBs will get better and after weeks 3-4-5 they better be making less mistakes. the Oline struggled with the speed rush at times.. same thing applies to them. they need to be better after the HC game for the team to be going in the right direction.

We got a good shot at being 3-2 if we just execute. the goal is to get to 4-3 at worst and then let the chips fall..

NC st will be tough on a thursday when they have a great shot at being 5-0 and play us on a bye week. But if we were playing that schedule We would be 4-1 at worst too..

Maryland has a JR qb with bunch of starts and 4000 yds passing we have a Jr with 2 starts and a few hundred yds.. Execution in key spots is huge.
 

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I recall HCDM saying this often..."don't confuse effort with execution." As Dino alluded to in today's presser, he was pleased/proud with the team's defensive effort, and how they played "extremely hard," "not giving up", etc. However, that playing hard isn't going to give you the desired outcome if the execution isn't there; being in the wrong place, wrong calls, missed tackles, etc., same on the offensive side of the ball and special teams relative to execution.

Moving forward, whether the team can actually execute/perform in the manner in which they'll need in route to having a successful season remains to be seen. I have no doubt that under a Babers' coached team, the effort will be there.
 

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Our LBs will get better and after weeks 3-4-5 they better be making less mistakes.

Agree with your post but I highlight the part that's bothersome to me because we're starting 2 seniors. Coaches play to win now which I agree with but we'll be facing the same problem next year. Maybe you just bite the bullet and get the other kids (Wallace) more run so they're ready next year.

I also hate the 4-2-5. Wiliams seems light for the middle and can't shed blockers. I'd maybe put Richards there and let Williams, Armstrong, Jones, Wallace, Kpogba fight it out on the outside but regardless just play the best 3 LBs.
 

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Agree with your post but I highlight the part that's bothersome to me because we're starting 2 seniors. Coaches play to win now which I agree with but we'll be facing the same problem next year. Maybe you just bite the bullet and get the other kids (Wallace) more run so they're ready next year.

I also hate the 4-2-5. Wiliams seems light for the middle and can't shed blockers. I'd maybe put Richards there and let Williams, Armstrong, Jones, Wallace, Kpogba fight it out on the outside but regardless just play the best 3 LBs.
I like this x 10. HATE the 4-2, especially against a team like Clemson - which has the same RPO options as UM and even better players. My non-expert prediction is that they'll do exactly what UM did - quick passes underneath to negate the rush and keep us in the 4-2 . . . then run it down our throats.
 

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We’ve heard this argument for many many years. When coaches start blaming lack of execution it’s often a cover for saying we’re getting out-talented. Still have voices in my head with P&D complaining at pressers that the players just need to execute better.

Talent and athleticism can mask mistakes. College kids are not machines and will often be imperfect when it comes to the X’s and O’s.
 

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watch the plays, tackling was bad, but when you fill a hole you need to be in the right spot.. too many Maryland plays were extended just because we didnt step with the right foot or extend to the hole properly..

Some of that is learning to play at speed too.. When guys hit holes faster you need to fill them better.
 

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If we want young guys to get meaningful snaps at LB this is going to happen. I'm not talking about the older guys and their learning curve has to be short but the freshmen are going to have to go through the ups and downs for a while and we fans ar going to have to be patient with them.
 

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We’ve heard this argument for many many years. When coaches start blaming lack of execution it’s often a cover for saying we’re getting out-talented. Still have voices in my head with P&D complaining at pressers that the players just need to execute better.

Talent and athleticism can mask mistakes. College kids are not machines and will often be imperfect when it comes to the X’s and O’s.

I share your sentiment for the most part. Whether it's on the offensive side of the ball, or on D, often the other team's superior physical prowess over their opponents is directly correlated for the other's "lack of execution." Especially, in the college game, where the talent level/differences can be quite substantial.
 

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effort is fighting thru blocks , hustling to the end of plays

some of Maryland is their skill guys are better at the key spots.

but being in the right hole, being in the right coverage, making tackles, making the right reads/calls is all execution. if you cut 50% of the plays that failed because you executed better thats a hugh change in the game

you cant always cover up faster on slower or stronger on weaker but you can be that 1-2ft in better position and sometimes that turns 10 into 4 or 4 into 2 and thats all it takes to end a drive.
 

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I share your sentiment for the most part. Whether it's on the offensive side of the ball, or on D, often the other team's superior physical prowess over their opponents is directly correlated for the other's "lack of execution." Especially, in the college game, where the talent level/differences can be quite substantial.
The recent quotes about not having tape or needing to look at the film scares me. That was P's deadpan response to any question.
 

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The more a kid plays the more he can modify scheme in his head vs having so see it and be shown.

I get the young kids on Dline and LB making mistakes. The DBS should not be blowing coverage when most of them have played so much..
 

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effort is fighting thru blocks , hustling to the end of plays

some of Maryland is their skill guys are better at the key spots.

but being in the right hole, being in the right coverage, making tackles, making the right reads/calls is all execution. if you cut 50% of the plays that failed because you executed better thats a hugh change in the game

you cant always cover up faster on slower or stronger on weaker but you can be that 1-2ft in better position and sometimes that turns 10 into 4 or 4 into 2 and thats all it takes to end a drive.
Being in the right coverage is correctable. Making better tackles is partly fundamentals and partly god-given abilities.

Fighting through blocks is about strength, quickness, conditioning. But there's an undeniable psychological aspect that plays out during a game when you know the elephant you're going up against is bigger, stronger, hits harder, etc. Talent and effort are not mutually exclusive concepts, unfortunately.

And I'll say it again, these are college players who (for the most part) spend much of their free time going to classes, meeting with tutors, etc. These college offenses and defenses can only get so technical. It's up to the coaches to implement a system that will play to the kids' strengths and help mask particular weaknesses.
 

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I believe the ship will be righted, I just do. Probably won't be good enough for Saturday but lets see where the team is after 8 games and go from there. I would be shocked if we don't see a much better effort and execution moving forward, too much talent on the sideline and the field.
 

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watch the plays, tackling was bad, but when you fill a hole you need to be in the right spot.. too many Maryland plays were extended just because we didnt step with the right foot or extend to the hole properly..

Some of that is learning to play at speed too.. When guys hit holes faster you need to fill them better.

Nice
 

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Agree with your post but I highlight the part that's bothersome to me because we're starting 2 seniors. Coaches play to win now which I agree with but we'll be facing the same problem next year. Maybe you just bite the bullet and get the other kids (Wallace) more run so they're ready next year.

I also hate the 4-2-5. Wiliams seems light for the middle and can't shed blockers. I'd maybe put Richards there and let Williams, Armstrong, Jones, Wallace, Kpogba fight it out on the outside but regardless just play the best 3 LBs.
i like how this board loves to use measurables and recruiting starts to make personnel decisions. If the coaches with their livelihoods on the line thought he could play MLB then he already would be.
 

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The more a kid plays the more he can modify scheme in his head vs having so see it and be shown.

I get the young kids on Dline and LB making mistakes. The DBS should not be blowing coverage when most of them have played so much..
that's the problem. dudes like cordy, foster, and even frederick have been blowing coverages all of those years that they've played.
 

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If we continue in the 4-2-5 start Strickland at nickel, have Trill, and Iffy at corner. We need more size and speed.
 

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