Final Net Points - 2023 |

Final Net Points - 2023


Bored Historian
Aug 26, 2011
Here are the per 40 minute averages for SU’s 2022-23 men’s basketball team. I’ve limited to players who played at least 100 minutes.

Glossary: m = minutes per game that they were available to play. The rest, per 40 minutes: p = points; r = rebounds; a = assists; s = steals, b = blocks; mfg = missed field goals; mft = missed free throws; to = turnovers; pf = personal fouls; NP: “net points” = (p+r+a+s+b) minus (mfg+mft+to+pf); OE: “offensive efficiency” = p-mfg-mft; FG: “floor game” = NP – OE. TNP: Total Net Points for the season.

Average net points/40 by position, (based on averaging 20+ minutes per game), since the 1980-81 season:
Centers 18.6; Power Forwards: 18.4; Small Forwards: 16.1, Shooting Guards: 13.3; Point Guards: 13.5

Jesse Edwards 32.6m 17.7p 12.7r 1.9a 1.7s 3.3b = 37.3+ 4.8mfg 1.5mft 2.5to 3.6pf = 12.4- =
24.9NP 11.4OE 13.5FG TNP: 654
Judah Mintz 33.3m 19.5p 2.7r 5.5a 2.2s 0.1b = 30.0+ 8.5mfg 1.7mft 2.9to 2.5pf = 15.6- =
14.4NP 9.3OE 5.1FG TNP: 386
Joe Girard 34.7m 19.1p 3.3r 3.4a 0.9s 0.0b = 26.7+ 9.5mfg 0.5mft 2.8to 1.1pf = 13.9- =
12.8NP 9.1OE 3.7FG TNP: 353
Maliq Brown 20.2m 11.3p 9.1r 1.7a 1.8s 1.0b = 24.9+ = 2.2mfg 0.9mft 1.6to 2.0pf = 6.7- =
18.2NP 8.7OE 10.0FG TNP: 267
Bennie Williams 22.4m 12.8p 7.3r 1.5a 1.4s 0.5b = 23.5+ 6.3mfg 0.8mft 1.7to 2.0pf = 10.8- =
12.7NP 5.7OE 7.0FG TNP: 213

Justin Taylor 16.7m 10.1p 4.3r 1.6a 1.4s 0.5b = 17.9+ = 5.4mfg 0.4mft 0.6s 2.1pf = 8.5- =
9.4NP 4.3OE 5.1FG TNP: 112
Chris Bell 20.1m 13.2p 3.6r 0.9a 0.5s 0.5b = 18.7+ = 7.1mfg 0.3mft 1.5to 2.9pf = 11.8- =
6.9NP 5.8OE 1.1FG TNP: 103
Symir Torrance 11.2m 8.6p 5.2r 5.8a 2.0s 0.1b = 21.7+ 4.0mfg 0.2mft 3.0s 2.4pf = 9.6- =
12.1NP 4.4OE 7.7FG TNP: 103
Mounir Hima 7.4m 5.4p 9.4r 0.8a 1.4s 5.2b = 12.0+ 2.8mfg 0.4mft 1.2to 7.6pf = 12.0- =
10.2NP 2.0OE 8.0FG TNP: 51
John Bol Ajak 9.2m 4.7P 8.3R 6.3A 1.3S 0.7B = 21.3+ 2.0mfg 1.0mft 3.0to 4.0pf = 10.0- =
11.3NP 1.7OE 9.6FG TNP: 34
Quadir Copeland 9.2m 9.2p 6.8r 2.2a 2.0s 0.4b = 20.6+ 5.9mfg 0.4mft 2.8s 5.5pf = 14.6- =
6.0NP 2.9OE 3.1FG TNP: 27

Comment: Jesse Edwards’ 24.9NP/40 is the most for an SU player since Billy Owens hit 26.1 in the 1990-91 season. The only player to exceed Billy’s average is Derrick Coleman, who averaged 19.5, 27.5, 28.5 and 26.7 in his four years here). The thing is, if Jesse were come back for another year, he could be even better.

Historical Comparisons (For each starter, five possible matches for each, one year per player matched. My numbers go back to 1980-81, when the Carrier Dome opened. They didn’t keep track of all elements of the Net Points formula prior to that.):

Jesse Edwards as a senior
32.6m 17.7p 12.7r 1.9a 1.7s 3.3b = 37.3+ 4.8mfg 1.5mft 2.5to 3.6pf = 12.4- =
24.9NP 11.4OE 13.5FG TNP: 654
Danny Schayes as a senior
32.6m 17.9p 10.3r 2.3a 0.6s 2.7b 33.8+ 4.3mfg 1.3mft 3.4to 4.5pf 12.3- =
20.3NP 12.3OE 8.0FG TNP: 561
Rony Seikaly as a junior
27.1m 22.2p 12.0r 1.4a 1.1s 3.0b 39.7+ 6.4mfg 3.7mft 2.9to 4.3pf 17.3- =
22.4NP 12.1OE 10.3FG TNP: 564
Etan Thomas as a junior
27.7m 17.7p 10.6r 0.7a 1.2s 5.7b +35.9 4.0mfg 3.5mft 2.5to 4.0pf -14.0 =
21.9NP 10.2OE 11.7FG TNP: 502
Rick Jackson as a senior
35.6m 14.7p 11.6r 2.5a 1.5s 2.8b 33.1+ 4.3mfg 2.1mft 2.3to 2.3pf 11.0- =
22.1NP 8.3OE 13.8FG TNP: 687
Rakeem Christmas as a senior
34.3m 21.6p 10.6r 1.8a 1.1s 2.9b = 36.7+ 6.2mfg 2.1mft 2.9to 3.9pf = 15.1- =
21.6NP 12.0OE 9.6FG TNP: 575

Comments: Seikaly and Christmas scored more than Jesse. Jesse’s the best rebounder, although Rony was close. Surprisingly, Rick was the best passer with Rak closest to Jesse’s 1.9 assist average. Jesse makes the most steals. Again, Rick surprises me as the closest to him. Etan was by far the best shot blocker – he could do it with either hand. Jesse is #2 but the other four are pretty close. None of them missed a lot of shots, being close to the basket, both horizontally and vertically. Jesse’s missile of the pack there. Jesse’s a good free throw shooter, just behind Danny. Jesse was second to Rick in fewest turnovers. They are all juniors and seniors and have learned to play without excessive fouling, something that’s hard for big men. Jesse’s second to Rick at that although well behind him. Danny’s the most offensively efficient. He was the best jump shooter. He could have hit three pointers if there been an arc at the time. If there had, he’d have led this list. Rick has the best floor game because of his assists and lack of fouling, but Jesse’s right behind him. Christmas is probably the closest math, due to physical type. The previous ones were brawnier but less athletic than Rak and Jesse.

Judah Mintz as a freshman
33.3m 19.5p 2.7r 5.5a 2.2s 0.1b = 30.0+ 8.5mfg 1.7mft 2.9to 2.5pf = 15.6- =
14.4NP 9.3OE 5.1FG TNP: 386
Pearl Washington as a freshman
34.0m 16.9p 3.1r 7.3a 2.7s 0.1b 30.1+ 5.7mfg 1.7mft 4.1to 4.0pf 15.5- =
14.6np 9.5oe 5.1fg TNP: 409
Adrian Autry as a junior
31.8m 17.2p 4.6r 7.0a 2.5s 0.2b +31.5 8.0mfg 0.9mft 4.4to 3.6pf -16.9 =
14.6NP 8.3OE 6.3FG TNP: 335
Gerry McNamara as a senior
35.2m 18.2p 3.1r 6.7a 2.1s 0.1b 30.2+ 10.3mfg, 0.4mft 3.8to 1.5pf 16.0- =
14.2NP 7.5OE 6.7FG TNP: 437
Tyler Ennis as a freshman
35.7m 14.5p 3.8r 6.2a 2.4s 0.2b = 27.1+ 7.0mfg 1.2mft 1.9to 2.3pf = 12.4- =
14.7NP 6.3PE 8.4FG TNP: 447
John Gillon as a senior
29.9M 14.1P 2.5R 7.3A 1.9S 0.0B 25.8+ 6.0MFG 0.6MFT 2.8TO 2.0PF 11.4- =
14.4NP 7.5OE 6.9FG TNP 364

Comments: Judah was the best scorer of this group but only Gillon, who was generously listed as a feet even, was a worse rebounder. He was also the worst passer, easily with 5.5 assists. But he was a combo guard at best, trying to learn to be a point guard. Pearl, who’s alternate nickname was “Pac-man”, led in steals. None of them were shot-blockers. Pearl missed the few shots and Gerry the most, a factor of range. Judah missed more free throws that anyone except Pearl. That has more to do with how often they got to the line. Judah hit 75% of 185 FTA. Pearl was 73% for his career but hit only 66% that first years. Judah was middle-of-the-pack as far as turnovers. Ennis led the way there. That was one of his big skills- taking care of the ball. Pearl was willing to take risks and some of them paid off, others not. Our new head coach had the worst handle of the group. Two things I remember about Pearl’s freshman year besides the half-court shot that beat BC: 12/17/83 at Marquette he fouls out because of four charging calls. That didn’t happen again. He figured out how to get past people while avoiding that call. Judah’s worst games this year involved getting charging calls instead of blocking calls. As the season progressed, he learned, too. 2/18/84 at the Dome: We beat UCONN 87-85 in three overtimes. Late in the second OT, we have the lead and JB wants us to slow it down. Pearl launches a 60 foot pass to a streaking teammate, (meaning streaking toward the basket) who was 50 feet away. The ball winds up in the third row of seats. JB goes way father than in that 2014 Duke game, tearing off his jacket, then his tie, then going after his shirt before his assistants prevent him from going further, to the relief of everyone there.

Anyway, of this group the Pearl is the best comparison as both he and Judah wanted to get to the basket more than Autry, McNamara, Ennis or Gillon. As a bonus, here’s two other players I’ve heard compared to Mintz:
Billy Edelin as a freshman
23.2m 15.6p 5.9r 4.4a 1.8s 0.2b +27.9 5.0mfg 1.7mft 4.0to 1.7pf -12.7 =
15.5NP 8.9OE 6.6FG TNP: 206
Jonny Flynn as a freshman
35.5m 17.6p 3.0r 6.0a 1.7s 0.2b 28.5+ 7.2mfg 1.0mft 3.1to 1.6pf 12.9- =
15.6NP 9.4OE 6.2FG TNP: 483
Both were more productive than Judah, (which is why they didn’t make the list). Billy was a much better rebounder, not as good a passer but had more turnovers. He scored less but also missed fewer shots. His big thing was the muscular, weaving move to the hoop for an almost unstoppable floaters over a smaller guard. Judah is skinnier and all arms and legs and he’s as happy to get to the line as to score a field goal. Also, Judah goes for the spectacular dipsy-doodle lay-up and an amazing number of them go in, but it’s a very low percentage shot. Jonny was an explosive leaper who lined to dunk over people. Really, each of these guys had their own style and nobody was really quite like Judah.

Joe Girard as a senior
34.7m 19.1p 3.3r 3.4a 0.9s 0.0b = 26.7+ 9.5mfg 0.5mft 2.8to 1.1pf = 13.9- =
12.8NP 9.1OE 3.7FG TNP: 353
Marty Headd as a senior
29.4m 16.2p 2.6r 2.5a 1.3s 0.0b 22.6+ 5.6mfg 0.4mft 2.1to 2.9pf 11.0- =
11.6NP 10.2OE 1.4FG TNP: 221
Matt Roe as a junior
25.8m 17.1p 3.6r 2.5a 1.4s 0.0b 24.6+ 6.2mfg 0.9mft 2.1to 3.4pf 12.6- =
12.0NP 10.0OE 2.0FG TNP: 295
Kueth Duany as a senior
27.0m 16.3p 5.4r 3.0a 1.5s 0.8b +27.0 7.2mfg 1.6mft 2.4to 3.2pf -14.4 =
12.6NP 7.5OE 5.1FG TNP: 299
Eric Devendorf as a sophomore
30.9m 19.1p 3.5r 5.4a 1.6s 0.4b 30.0+ 9.1mfg 1.1mft 4.0to 3.4pf 17.6- =
12.4NP 8.9OE 3.5FG TNP: 332
Tyus Battle as a junior
36.3m 18.9p 3.6r 2.8a 1.3s 0.3b 26.9+ 8.5mfg 1.4mft 2.0to 2.3pf 14.2- =
12.7NP 9.0OE 3.7FG TNP: 366

Comments: Girard is statistically closest to Devendorf and Battle, both of whom were bigger and more athletic than he is. Devo and almost a Pearl-like ability to dribble past defenders and yet could hit long jumpers, (if he got them off before the buzzer). Joe surprised people with his moves toward the basket, but they didn’t set up lay-ups or dunks. Joe was shooting jumpers. It was just a matter of from where. Battle could hit jumpers but didn’t have Joe’s range. Duany was nothing like Joe. Headd had similarities but was not as good. Roe was never the first, or second or even the third option for his teams. And they didn’t play the point.

Joe is often compared to his hero/mentor Gerry McNamara. Here they are, year by year:

As Freshmen
Gerry 35.3m 15.1p 2.6r 5.0a 2.5s 0.1b +25.3 7.1mfg 0.3mft 2.8to 2.2pf -12.4 =
12.9NP 7.7OE 5.2FG TNP: 400
Joe 33.0m 15.1p 3.7r 4.3a 1.8s 0.1b = +25.0 8.7mfg 0.4mft 2.3to 2.8pf = -13.2 =
11.8NP 6.0OE 5.8FG TNP: 311
By their NP/40 average, Joe was 91.5% the player as a freshman Gerry was. The average is a summary of box score numbers and the box score is mostly about offense and Gerry is regarded as having an edge defensively, even if he wasn’t a Jason Hart on ‘D”. And Joe didn’t hit 6 threes in a national title game, although he might have bene able to if the defense had to worry about Carmelo Anthony, Hakim Warrick, Josh Pace and Billy Edelin and Joe had Craig Forth setting picks for him. Their scoring was identical. Joe missed more shots and assisted on fewer, (again, look at their teammates), but was the better rebounder, playing football may have helped). Gerry made more steals but also more turnovers. Joe committed more fouls.

As Sophomores
Gerry 36.2m 19.0p 2.9r 4.2a 1.9s 0.0b 28.0+ 8.7mfg 0.6mft 2.8to 2.3pf 14.4- =
13.6NP 9.7OE 3.9FG TNP: 380
Joe 27.7m 14.1p 4.2r 5.1a 2.0s 0.1b = +25.5 8.6mfg 0.6mft 3.0to 1.8pf = -14.0 =
11.5NP 4.9OE 6.6FG TNP: 223
Joe fell to 84.6% of Gerry as a sophomore. He didn’t score 28 in a half, as Joe did in the opener vs. Charlotte or 43 in an NCAA tournament game we won by 5, (80-75 vs. BYU – to avoid a first round embarrassment the year after we won it all). Gerry’s scoring soared in his second year. But his assists dropped because Carmelo was in the pros. Joe was still the better rebounder. The other numbers were virtually identical.

As Juniors
Gerry 35.6m 17.8p 2.6r 5.6a 2.1s 0.1b 28.2+ 9.0mfg 0.5mft 3.3to 2.1pf 14.9- =
13.3NP 8.3OE 5.0FG TNP 400
Joe 34.1m 16.2p 3.3r 4.9a 1.9s 0.0b = 26.3+ 7.8mfg 0.4mft 3.3to 1.5pf = 13.0-
13.3NP 8.0OE 5.3FG TNP: 374
Joe has become GMAC’s statistical equal. The scoring race tightened up as now Gerry was missing more shots. Gerry’s assists climbed back up, (Hak Warrick was really developing at this point).

As Seniors
Gerry 35.2m 18.2p 3.1r 6.7a 2.1s 0.1b 30.2+ 10.3mfg, 0.4mft 3.8to 1.5pf 16.0- =
14.2NP 7.5OE 6.7FG TNP: 437
Joe 34.7m 19.1p 3.3r 3.4a 0.9s 0.0b = 26.7+ 9.5mfg 0.5mft 2.8to 1.1pf = 13.9- =
12.8NP 9.1OE 3.7FG TNP: 353
Gerry had his best statistical year and his highest number of assists. Joe increased his scoring but his missed shots went up and his assists down, due to his position switch off the point. He was 90.1% of what Gerry was statistically. And, of course, Gerry had that amazing run through the Big East tournament. That’s the big thing missing in Joes’ resume: the lack of heroic performances. It doesn’t mean he wasn’t capable of rising to the occasion: he won state titles as a quarterback in football and as a 50ppg scorer in basketball. His college teams just weren’t good enough to give him a shot at making history. For their careers, Gerry had 1,616NP, 13.5/40 minutes. Joe had 1,261NP, 12.4/40 minutes. You could say that Joe was 92% of the player Gerry was (12.4/13.5) and had 78% of the career Gerry did, (1261/1616), at least by the numbers. Compare that to the amount of respect each player got.

Maliq Brown as a freshman
20.2m 11.3p 9.1r 1.7a 1.8s 1.0b = 24.9+ = 2.2mfg 0.9mft 1.6to 2.0pf = 6.7- =
18.2NP 8.7OE 10.0FG TNP: 267
Billy Owens as a freshman
32.0m 16.3p 8.7r 3.7a 2.1s 1.2b 32.0+ 5.9mfg 1.7mft 2.5to 3.6pf 13.7- =
18.3NP 8.7OE 9.6FG TNP: 558
Dave Johnson as a junior
34.9m 22.2p 7.2r 2.7a 1.8s 0.1b +34.0 8.1mfg 2.4mft 2.4to 2.8pf -15.7 =
18.3NP 11.7OE 6.6FG TNP: 508
Otis Hill as a senior
29.3m 21.3p 8.3r 1.2a 2.3s 1.5b +34.6 7.1mfg 2.3mft 2.7to 4.7pf -16.8 =
17.8NP 8.4OE 9.4FG TNP: 416
James Southerland as a junior
16.0m 17.0p 7.8r 0.9a 2.1s 2.3b = 30.1+ 7.4mfg 0.7mft 0.8to 3.3pf = 13.7- =
17.9NP 8.9OE 9.0FG TNP: 264
Tyler Lydon as a sophomore
36.1M 14.6P 9.6R 2.3A 1.1S 1.6B 29.2+ 5.5MFG 0.6MFT 1.9TO 2.7PF 17.3- =
18.5NP 8.5OE 10.0FG TNP: 566

Comments: No, Maliq is not the second coming of Billy Owens. And he is the anti-James Southerland. He also doesn’t remind anybody of the athletic dunker Dave Johnson was – or the outside threat he became. He lacks Tyler Lydon’s versatility. The best comparison is Otis Hill, a guy who was great in the paint but had no game outside of it. Even there, Otis as a senior was far more productive than Maliq as a freshman. Maliq, in a strange way, was like Tyler Ennis. His numbers are the product of being cost effective. He scored on a high percent age of his shots, could rebound and play some D, and avoided turnovers and fouls. So anything positive wasn’t being negated by much of anything. He was super-efficient but not very versatile. We’ll see if that changes as his career progresses.

Bennie Williams as a sophomore
22.4m 12.8p 7.3r 1.5a 1.4s 0.5b = 23.5+ 6.3mfg 0.8mft 1.7to 2.0pf = 10.8- =
12.7NP 5.7OE 7.0FG TNP: 213
Tony Bruin as a junior
27.9m 20.0p 5.6r 2.7a 1.4s 0.8b 30.5+ 6.8mfg 1.8mft 3.5to 5.4pf 17.5- =
13.0NP 11.4OE 1.6FG TNP: 237
Wendell Alexis as a sophomore
22.9m 14.1p 9.3r 2.3a 1.1s 1.0b 27.8+ 6.7mfg 0.8mft 2.6to 4.8pf 14.9- =
12.9np 6.6oe 6.3fg TNP: 336
Todd Burgan as a sophomore
34.2m 14.1p 8.0r 2.7a 2.0s 0.5b +27.3 6.7mfg 1.8mft 2.4to 3.3pf -14.2 =
13.1NP 5.6OE 7.5FG TNP: 426
Demetris Nichols as a junior
33.3m 16.0p 7.0r 1.7a 1.5s 1.1b 27.3+ 7.6mfg 1.0mft 2.2to 3.3pf 14.1- =
13.2NP 7.4OE 5.8FG TNP: 388
C. J. Fair as a senior
37.8m 17.5p 6.8r 1.3a 1.3s 0.8b = 27.7+ 9.0mfg 1.2mft 2.6to 2.2pf = 15.0- =
12.7NP 7.3OE 5.4FG

Comments: The only relevance of the Bruin comparison is that both were highly rated prospects whose output never seemed to equal other people’s expectations for them. Tony could jump through the roof but wasn’t a great shooter or all-around player. Other than the NP, their stats aren’t really similar. Alexis is a closer match in body type and numbers. Burgan is an interesting comparison. He came on strong at the end of his sophomore year and played a major role in our run to the national title game. Bennie came on strong late, to, but it wasn’t in an NCAA run. Burgan then became a mainstay for the next two years. Will that happen to Benny? Some people like to compare him to Demetris Nichols, who was a huge disappointment his first two years before finding the range on his jumper as a junior and becoming our leading scoring threat. Benny hit 39% of his treys this year but I don’t really see him as the outside gunner D-Nic was. We need Benny to work inside more than that. CJ was more of a small forward, although with Maliq we may see Benny at the ‘3’ but he can be more than that.

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