Fishes and Loaves

[sutomcat]

With most of the fireworks for the early signing period over, I thought I would take a shot at what the roster looks like for next season.

This is who I have on scholarship for 2023, sorted by position and place on the depth chart.

Projected starters are highlighted.

If there is a blank at a position, it means I think there is an open slot for a transfer or a HS recruit to take. I am holding to the scholarship limit of 85.

IMHO, we have too many DTs and DEs (pretty sure I have never said we have too many DTs; when I do these things, it seems I always feel we do not have enough.

That is driving me to limit slots for some other positions.

But in short, I think we need at least one WR, 2 LBs, and a player in the secondary. Preferably a free safety.

The roster isn't great but given all the turmoil we have been experiencing, it is in pretty darned good shape.

I am assuming Carlos Vetterello is coming back here, which is not a given.

I am assuming LaNorris Sellers does not choose Syracuse on Friday, which is not a given.

I am thinking we are probably going to lose a couple of DL to the portal. Can't see the staff taking so many DL in this class unless some of them are replacing players about to leave.

Some of the young players in the secondary have the talent and size to play several positions. I made semi educated guesses where they will end up in these situations.

O	QB	Garrett Shrader
O	QB	Justin Lamson
O	QB	Carlos Del Rio-Wilson
O	QB	JaCobian Morgan
O	RB	LeQuint Allen
O	RB	Juwaun Price
O	RB	Ike Daniels
O	RB	Muwaffaq Parkman
O	OT	Enrique Cruz Jr.
O	OT	Joe More (Richmond)
O	OT	Joe Cruz
O	OT	Trevion Mack
O	OT	Garth Barclay
O	OT	Jayden Bass
O	OT	Anthony Red
O	OG	Kalan Ellis
O	OG	Christopher Bleich
O	OG	Jakob Bradford
O	OG	Lysander Moeolo (JUCO)
O	OG	Wes Hoeh
O	OG	Mark Petry
O	OG	Austyn Kauhi
O	C	Carlos Vettorello ??
O	C	J'Onre Reed (JUCO)
O	C	Josh Ilaoa
O	TE	Oronde Gadsden II
O	TE	Dan Villari
O	TE	Maximilian Mang
O	TE	Steven Mahar Jr.
O	TE	David Clement
O	SLOT	Trebor Pena
O	SLOT	D'Marcus Adams
O	SLOT	Bryce Cohoon
O	SLOT	Kendall Long
O	OWR	Damien Alford
O	OWR	Isaiah Jones
O	OWR	Umari Hatcher
O	OWR	Donovan Brown
O	OWR
O	PK	Brady Denaburg
D	DT	Terry Lockett
D	DT	Braylen Ingraham (Alabama)
D	DT	Kevon Darton
D	DT	Rashard Perry
D	DT	Elijah Fuentes-Cundiff
D	DT	Belizaire Bassette
D	DT	Ty Gordon
D	DE	Caleb Okechukwu
D	DE	Jatius Geer
D	DE	Denis Jaquez Jr.
D	DE	Chase Simmons
D	DE	Kevin Jobity Jr.
D	DE	Francois Nolton Jr.
D	DE	"David" Omopariola
D	DE	Jalil Smith
D	SAM	Stefon Thompson
D	SAM	Derek McDonald
D	SAM	Mekhi Mason
D	SAM
D	MIKE	Anwar Sparrow
D	MIKE	Austin Roon
D	MIKE	Zyian Moultrie-Goddard
D	MIKE
D	WILL	Marlowe Wax
D	WILL	Leon Lowery
D	WILL	Kadin Bailey
D	WILL	Lonnie Rice (JUCO)
D	ROVER	Justin Barron
D	ROVER	Rob Hanna
D	ROVER	Josiah Jeffery
D	BS	Jason Simmons Jr.
D	BS	Jaeden Gould (Nebraska)
D	BS	Bralyn Oliver
D	BS	Malcolm Folk
D	CB	Isaiah Johnson
D	CB	Jeremiah Wilson
D	CB	Jayden Bellamy (ND)
D	CB	Gregory Delaine
D	CB	Quan Peterson
D	FS	Alijah Clark
D	FS	Aman Greenwood
D	FS	Cornell Perry
D	FS
D	P	Jack Stonehouse
D	P	Maximilian Von Marburg
D	LS	Mike Midkaff or Joey Kelly?

 

[David332]

Thanks for putting the work in on this, I’m a visual person so definitely makes it so much easier to grasp.

 

[sutomcat]

Thanks for putting the work in on this, I’m a visual person so definitely makes it so much easier to grasp.

No problem. I am too.

I am sure a lot will change between now and the first game of the season, but it can be interesting to see where things look right now, based on a bunch of guesses.

 

[Orangefizz]

No problem. I am too.

I am sure a lot will change between now and the first game of the season, but it can be interesting to see where things look right now, based on a bunch of guesses.

Need 2 WR’s and 2 Safeties and hope Sellers sticks on Friday

 

[SanDiegoCuse]

With most of the fireworks for the early signing period over, I thought I would take a shot at what the roster looks like for next season.

This is who I have on scholarship for 2023, sorted by position and place on the depth chart.

Projected starters are highlighted.

If there is a blank at a position, it means I think there is an open slot for a transfer or a HS recruit to take. I am holding to the scholarship limit of 85.

IMHO, we have too many DTs and DEs (pretty sure I have never said we have too many DTs; when I do these things, it seems I always feel we do not have enough.

That is driving me to limit slots for some other positions.

But in short, I think we need at least one WR, 2 LBs, and a player in the secondary. Preferably a free safety.

The roster isn't great but given all the turmoil we have been experiencing, it is in pretty darned good shape.

I am assuming Carlos Vetterello is coming back here, which is not a given.

I am assuming LaNorris Sellers does not choose Syracuse on Friday, which is not a given.

I am thinking we are probably going to lose a couple of DL to the portal. Can't see the staff taking so many DL in this class unless some of them are replacing players about to leave.

Some of the young players in the secondary have the talent and size to play several positions. I made semi educated guesses where they will end up in these situations.

O	QB	Garrett Shrader
O	QB	Justin Lamson
O	QB	Carlos Del Rio-Wilson
O	QB	JaCobian Morgan
O	RB	LeQuint Allen
O	RB	Juwaun Price
O	RB	Ike Daniels
O	RB	Muwaffaq Parkman
O	OT	Enrique Cruz Jr.
O	OT	Joe More (Richmond)
O	OT	Joe Cruz
O	OT	Trevion Mack
O	OT	Garth Barclay
O	OT	Jayden Bass
O	OT	Anthony Red
O	OG	Kalan Ellis
O	OG	Christopher Bleich
O	OG	Jakob Bradford
O	OG	Lysander Moeolo (JUCO)
O	OG	Wes Hoeh
O	OG	Mark Petry
O	OG	Austyn Kauhi
O	C	Carlos Vettorello ??
O	C	J'Onre Reed (JUCO)
O	C	Josh Ilaoa
O	TE	Oronde Gadsden II
O	TE	Dan Villari
O	TE	Maximilian Mang
O	TE	Steven Mahar Jr.
O	TE	David Clement
O	SLOT	Trebor Pena
O	SLOT	D'Marcus Adams
O	SLOT	Bryce Cohoon
O	SLOT	Kendall Long
O	OWR	Damien Alford
O	OWR	Isaiah Jones
O	OWR	Umari Hatcher
O	OWR	Donovan Brown
O	OWR
O	PK	Brady Denaburg*
D	DT	Terry Lockett
D	DT	Braylen Ingraham (Alabama)
D	DT	Kevon Darton
D	DT	Rashard Perry
D	DT	Elijah Fuentes-Cundiff
D	DT	Belizaire Bassette
D	DT	Ty Gordon
D	DE	Caleb Okechukwu
D	DE	Jatius Geer
D	DE	Denis Jaquez Jr.
D	DE	Chase Simmons
D	DE	Kevin Jobity Jr.
D	DE	Francois Nolton Jr.
D	DE	"David" Omopariola
D	DE	Jalil Smith
D	SAM	Stefon Thompson
D	SAM	Derek McDonald
D	SAM	Mekhi Mason
D	SAM	Zyian Moultrie-Goddard
D	MIKE	Marlowe Wax
D	MIKE	Austin Roon
D	MIKE
D	MIKE
D	WILL	Anwar Sparrow
D	WILL	Leon Lowery
D	WILL	Kadin Bailey
D	WILL	Lonnie Rice (JUCO)
D	ROVER	Justin Barron
D	ROVER	Rob Hanna
D	ROVER	Josiah Jeffery
D	BS	Jason Simmons Jr.
D	BS	Jaeden Gould (Nebraska)
D	BS	Bralyn Oliver
D	BS	Malcolm Folk
D	CB	Isaiah Johnson
D	CB	Jeremiah Wilson
D	CB	Gregory Delaine
D	CB	Quan Peterson
D	CB	Aman Greenwood
D	FS	Alijah Clark
D	FS	Jayden Bellamy (ND)
D	FS	Cornell Perry
D	FS
D	P	Jack Stonehouse
D	P	Maximilian Von Marburg

Is James Williams the Punter gone?

 

[Crusty]

I am usually a glass half full guy but this looks like we are in trouble. This doesn't look like a ranked team or, perhaps, even a bowl team to me.

A key injury here or there and, unless we have a pleasant surprise or two, we can spiral down pretty quickly. We can pooh pooh the star rankings all we want but we can't keep bringing up the rear in the ACC and expect to succeed.

I am very concerned.

 

[PhatOrange]

We added the transfer punter from Missouri just after you posted this.

Barclay is listed as a DL on the roster

Some of my position thoughts

Goddard come in at 240 and they project him to backup Wax.

I believe Bellamy is a CB particularly at his size.

I really like our DL depth. I think it’s where it needs to be and some of the incoming guys need to develop a little bit i.e. grow.

 

[sutomcat]

Is James Williams the Punter gone?

I think he is still on the roster, and I assume on scholarship but I don't think there is any way we are going to keep 3 players who only punt on scholarship. At least one of them is surely going to be leaving.

 

[sutomcat]

We added the transfer punter from Missouri just after you posted this.

Barclay is listed as a DL on the roster

Some of my position thoughts

Goddard come in at 240 and they project him to backup Wax.

I believe Bellamy is a CB particularly at his size.

I really like our DL depth. I think it’s where it needs to be and some of the incoming guys need to develop a little bit i.e. grow.

Barclay was moved to DL as an emergency move. I am assuming it is not going to be a permanent thing but it might prove to be.

We have too many CBs and not enough safeties. At least one of these guys needs to get moved. It might be Greenwood, who got more PT at safety and is probably best suited to play there.

 

[sutomcat]

Bolinsky graduates this year so it looks like they will need to pick up a Long Snapper.

They might or they might give the job to one of the walk on long snappers.

Midkiff or Kelly would be my guess.

 

[cusefan88]

I am usually a glass half full guy but this looks like we are in trouble. This doesn't look like a ranked team or, perhaps, even a bowl team to me.

A key injury here or there and, unless we have a pleasant surprise or two, we can spiral down pretty quickly. We can pooh pooh the star rankings all we want but we can't keep bringing up the rear in the ACC and expect to succeed.

I am very concerned.

Good thing the non-conference schedule is weak. The tough game is at Purdue with a new HC and new QB.

GT and VT don't do much for me. It's all about stringing together bowl appearances and getting a few guys drafted each year. That's the only way the team can level up over time.

 

[javadoc]

I am usually a glass half full guy but this looks like we are in trouble. This doesn't look like a ranked team or, perhaps, even a bowl team to me.

A key injury here or there and, unless we have a pleasant surprise or two, we can spiral down pretty quickly. We can pooh pooh the star rankings all we want but we can't keep bringing up the rear in the ACC and expect to succeed.

I am very concerned.

It looks largely like this year's team IMO, except the lines will be larger and more experienced. I hear you about injuries, but this year we were a ranked team (objectively) if not for the owies. That's the big question for next year. If we have Shrader and Lamson available, we're in good shape. Next year we'll start earning the interest on the time spent with young guys on the DL who maybe weren't fully ready for the fire.

 

[Oakland]

Is Nunn gone?

 

[PhatOrange]

Barclay was moved to DL as an emergency move. I am assuming it is not going to be a permanent thing but it might prove to be.

We have too many CBs and not enough safeties. At least one of these guys needs to get moved. It might be Greenwood, who got more PT at safety and is probably best suited to play there.

We don’t have enough corners in my opinion. There’s only five listed and we played four regularly this season. Need to be 3 deep there.

Greenwood has played way more safety here than he has corner. (And he hasn’t been very good at either so I don’t expect him to contribute)

The safety position is a bit more interchangeable I think having six listed with three Rovers is adequate Baron and Hanna can both play safety to. three deep at each secondary position is the benchmark imo.

We had 16 players combined including rovers. We have 15 as it stands now with the one missing being at CB.

 

[Chip]

Sellers is going to sign with us all you glass half empties can...

 

[SanDiegoCuse]

Is Nunn gone?

I had heard he was medically done but who knows?

 

[RF2044]

Tom, cool post -- thank you for taking the time to produce this analysis / summary.

Quick question about your interpretation about needing two more LBs [I do not intend this as a criticism of your post].

By my count [and I recognize that in the portal era, stuff can change] we have Wax, with Thompson returning. Sparrow / Lowery contributed a LOT this year, and McDonald started a good portion of the season after Thompson got injured. That's five right there with extensive experience.

Mekhi Mason and Kadin Bailey were frosh. Inbound Zyian Moultrie-Goddard is the heir apparent at MIKE, and Lonnie Rice was the #2 ranked JUCO LB.

Do we really need two more?

 

[orange_in_VA]

I am usually a glass half full guy but this looks like we are in trouble. This doesn't look like a ranked team or, perhaps, even a bowl team to me.

A key injury here or there and, unless we have a pleasant surprise or two, we can spiral down pretty quickly. We can pooh pooh the star rankings all we want but we can't keep bringing up the rear in the ACC and expect to succeed.

I am very concerned.

I fully agree. Everyone is leaning hard into "highschool recruiting not mattering" anymore and while there is something to that, I don't see how people are convinced of our success next year or for the near future beyond it. Our class is ranked dead last in the conference universally across recruiting services and in the mid 70s-80s in the entire country. Worst class since Shafer's first year (when Marrone left in like January or whatever) and we've invested hundreds of millions into staff and facilities since then.

We lost a ton and replaced it with mostly total unknowns. I don't have the warm and fuzzies a lot of folks are portraying on the board recently. I want to be excited about next season but I'm struggling.

 

[Orangefizz]

They might or they might give the job to one of the walk on long snappers.

Midkiff or Kelly would be my guess.

Ethan Stangle if he’s still on the roster this Fall

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Denaburg was rumored to be getting Szmyt's scholarship in 2023.

 

[PhatOrange]

The wide receiver room is really out of whack we need to do something here.

 

[GoSU96]

Thanks Tom.

 

[Franz69]

I think Cohoon is an outside receiver, not a slot. That being said, I'll take as many good WRs as we can get, whether slot or outside.

 

[OrangeinBoston]

I am usually a glass half full guy but this looks like we are in trouble. This doesn't look like a ranked team or, perhaps, even a bowl team to me.

A key injury here or there and, unless we have a pleasant surprise or two, we can spiral down pretty quickly. We can pooh pooh the star rankings all we want but we can't keep bringing up the rear in the ACC and expect to succeed.

I am very concerned.

Ordinarily, I would be the first to agree with you. However, they added 3 ready-to-play OL which were sorely needed: a true center to replace Vett, a guard and a tackle. They also added likely 2 DT's ready to go (I'm assuming Perry will be ready to contribute). These were the key areas of need. WRs? No - with Jones returning, we are fine. RBs? If the OL really does improve, I could run through it. We even picked up a punter to replace the mess we had.

 

[cusefan88]

Ordinarily, I would be the first to agree with you. However, they added 3 ready-to-play OL which were sorely needed: a true center to replace Vett, a guard and a tackle. They also added likely 2 DT's ready to go (I'm assuming Perry will be ready to contribute). These were the key areas of need. WRs? No - with Jones returning, we are fine. RBs? If the OL really does improve, I could run through it. We even picked up a punter to replace the mess we had.

I think people forget that I. Jones was looking good prior to injury. Coach Anae signaled him out as one of the better performing guys. Hoping he gets back to top health.