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If Grant did not have the family background in the pros, do you still think he would be a high draft pick, based only on his play thus far in his stay at SU?
 
If he didn't have freakish athletic ability he wouldn't be a high draft pick but don't think his family connections have anything to do with his potential at the next level. Wish he had a reliable mid range game but he certainly gives SU slashing ability that we haven't had since Waiters was here.
 
PeteCalvin said:
No. Pedigree helps.

It does, but not when you're his size and that athletic. Grant is a freak.
 
It does, but not when you're his size and that athletic. Grant is a freak.
that last layin he had, as soon as he caught it above foul line- i told my son it would be an easy layup. when he gets space and a lane he is unstoppable imo. thats why guys get up in his grille like when he had the elbow. teams are also starting to anticipate his spin left move in lane. but he will only get better!
 
Grant has the athleticism and size to be a good NBA player, but his skills are still a bit raw to get much playing time for a couple years.
 
I do think it helps a bit, but I think his draft stock is very much earned by himself. I think he has a lot of potential, and in the very least, I think he'll be a good guy to have off the bench at the next level. It'll be interesting to see where NBA teams play him. I still see him as a face-up 4, where I think he'll be able to take a lot of 4's off the dribble. He'll obviously need to get a bit stronger though.
 
If Grant did not have the family background in the pros, do you still think he would be a high draft pick, based only on his play thus far in his stay at SU?
Grant really needs to stay another year. He has way too much too develop still. If he stays he can easily be a top 5 guy if not top 3 next year.

Where to start...outside shooting, dribble drive while under control, being able to take a guy off the dribble and a little more toughness on the defensive end.

I'm not trying to not pick, just what I see when watching him play. I think he can be really special, he's just not there yet.
 
Damdevs said:
Grant really needs to stay another year. He has way too much too develop still. If he stays he can easily be a top 5 guy if not top 3 next year. Where to start...outside shooting, dribble drive while under control, being able to take a guy off the dribble and a little more toughness on the defensive end. I'm not trying to not pick, just what I see when watching him play. I think he can be really special, he's just not there yet.

So if he's projected in the lottery already what's the point in his case? He can improve in the NBA or even the off season. He's got a lot of work to do before he's a finished project, along with 95% of the other players getting drafted. Lottery picks who stay in school don't always pan out for the best. Lack of improvement, injury, and a few other factors that can really cost these kids millions of dollars. sullenger and McGary are two recent examples of where this can be a really bad thing for guys to stay.

If you're a lottery pick already, what is the reason you would stay in school?
 
So if he's projected in the lottery already what's the point in his case? He can improve in the NBA or even the off season. He's got a lot of work to do before he's a finished project, along with 95% of the other players getting drafted. Lottery picks who stay in school don't always pan out for the best. Lack of improvement, injury, and a few other factors that can really cost these kids millions of dollars. sullenger and McGary are two recent examples of where this can be a really bad thing for guys to stay.

If you're a lottery pick already, what is the reason you would stay in school?

There are a multitude of reasons why a prospect like Grant would choose to stay in school.

This isn't nearly as cut and dry as some people would like to pretend.
 
RF2044 said:
There are a multitude of reasons why a prospect like Grant would choose to stay in school. This isn't nearly as cut and dry as some people would like to pretend.

I'm not saying it's cut and dry, but in his case the negatives really look to outweigh the positives for him to stay.
 
Just playing devil's advocate. If Grant is 'all that', why is he not starting? Lord knows I am not a talent scout or coach, just want opinions.
 
I'm not saying it's cut and dry, but in his case the negatives really look to outweigh the positives for him to stay.

That's a truism. This is a deep draft. He's semi-inconsistent in terms of his performance. Despite the obvious potential, he currently has holes in his game. And he could stand to gain some weight / strength. If he does all that, then he could really elevate his position in next year's draft, which isn't universally regarded as being as deep as this one is.

To say nothing of the fact that if he comes back, he could address all of the above PLUS be the focal point on offense on what shapes up as another top 10 team [if not better], PLUS garner lots of accolades--both individual and team, depending on how we perform--which would serve to enhance his draft stock.

And perhaps most importantly, his situation is unique in that he is perhaps the only top prospect in college hoops who lacks compelling financial pressure to provide for his family's basic financial needs.

The negatives absolutely do not outweigh the positives. Doesn't mean he'll stay--I certainly don't claim to have insight into what his decision will be--but again, not nearly as cut and dry as many seem to portray.
 
First of all it's certainly not up to us as fans to weigh in as to when one of our players should enter the NBA draft. As a fan it's nearly, if not entirely impossible to separate our interest as a fan of the program from our interest in a particular players readiness for the draft. There are many layers of factors which go into the determination and most of them we are not privy to.

As a Syracuse basketball fan I want all of our players to return so as to maximize the talent pool of the program. I can only imagine that the current ranking and success of the program this year to date would be quite different had CJ Fair opted to enter the draft. I don't envy the coaches and the assistant coaches on the team if they are consulted by the players as to whether they should test the pro waters or not. What a huge responsibility to take on and how difficult must it be to partition the interest in the program and one's own career with that of the student athlete who is considering making the jump.

Certainly there are some instances where little mistake can be made with respect to which course of action a player should take. Those situations would be easy to deal with. The difficult ones would be the ones where there is a lot of speculation as to whether the player would have a good chance to succeed at the next level. Unfortunately the paradigm is such that the more successful a player is at the college level, higher the chance is that his college career will be truncated by the lure of the NBA.

To me, all of these factors serve to illustrate what a tremendous job the Coaches and staff of the basketball program have done with recruiting and insuring that the programs recruiting is targeted at obtaining elite talented players. By doing so they insure a continued level of excellence each year by the Basketball team in spite of so much uncertainty with respect to which players will be on the team and how long each player will contribute to the program.

For a lot of people it seems surprising and incredible that Ennis and Cooney have stepped in and taken over where MCW and Triche left off and are performing perhaps at even a better level than their predecessors. It seems hard to believe that they knew they would be able to step in and get the job done in the fashion they have. But at the same time I think it would be safe to say that JB, Hop and the rest of the staff had a pretty good idea that the chance of it being successful were pretty good. That in itself is an incredible accomplishment IMO.
 
Opus said:
Just playing devil's advocate. If Grant is 'all that', why is he not starting? Lord knows I am not a talent scout or coach, just want opinions.

How man games did Dion start? When was he drafted?
 
We may be preseason number one depending how we finish the season if Grant stays. Thatd be cool.
 

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