Harrison and Freeney on CFB Hall of Fame Ballot

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[sutomcat]

I can understand how Marvin wouldn't get in. He was a fantastic player in college, one of the best I have ever seen, but he didn't get many touches.

Dwight was the best player in the country his senior season. And damn good before that.

If you are the best player in the country for at least one season, you belong in the hall of fame. IMHO.

 

[djorange1989]

Freeney will absolutely get in, just a matter of when. Marvin, as Tomcat alluded to above, just didn't get the ball enough to have eye catching stats, but he was a stud at SU, maybe voters will realize this but not sure.

 

[All4SU]

Unfortunately, one thing that works against MG is that he was never flashy. Scored a TD and just handed the ball to the ref. No ridiculous posing and preening. I always liked that about him. But in today’s world you don’t get noticed as much.

 

[kuethstheman]

Wonder if they'll hold Marvin's post-football behavior against him.

 

[UnknownOrange]

Wonder if they'll hold Marvin's post-football behavior against him.

I wonder if they'll unconsciously-award his NFL career here

 

[kirbivore]

Wonder if they'll hold Marvin's post-football behavior against him.

 

[cto]

Freeney will absolutely get in, just a matter of when. Marvin, as Tomcat alluded to above, just didn't get the ball enough to have eye catching stats, but he was a stud at SU, maybe voters will realize this but not sure.

Harrison was the the 19th player selected in the 1996 draft. He must have done something in college to get that kind of recognition.

 

[Chip]

Harrison was the the 19th player selected in the 1996 draft. He must have done something in college to get that kind of recognition.

Ask the Clemson DBs from the Gator Bowl after the 95 season.

 

[kuethstheman]

I remember when asked about Marvin's credentials, coming out of college, Pasqualoni answered with something like: How do you think McNabb set all those SU passing records?

 

[OrangeTarheel]

Harrison was so good I can’t recall him ever disappointing. Whatever shots he got from our run oriented offense he made the best of them

 

[djorange1989]

Harrison was the the 19th player selected in the 1996 draft. He must have done something in college to get that kind of recognition.

Yes I am aware, I was at that draft yelling when inferior WRs like Eddie Kennison were going before him! I think he is quite worthy so hopefully these voters agree

 

[OrangeTarheel]

Would he be the first player to make it to the NFL HOF but not the college version? Excuse the ignorance I’ve not heard of the college football hall of fame before

 

[SUFan44]

Would he be the first player to make it to the NFL HOF but not the college version? Excuse the ignorance I’ve not heard of the college football hall of fame before

Here was a list from 6 years ago... I'm sure a few have been added since?

Notable Pro Football Hall of Famers not in CFB Hall of Fame

On Friday, the College Football Hall of Fame will announce its induction class for 2016. There are a great number of players that are in both the College Football Hall of Fame and the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Still, there are some Pro Football Hall of

www.nfl.com

 

[shandeezy7]

Freeney will absolutely get in, just a matter of when. Marvin, as Tomcat alluded to above, just didn't get the ball enough to have eye catching stats, but he was a stud at SU, maybe voters will realize this but not sure.

The one particularly eye-catching stat in college that he does possess is that (per Sports Reference), he ranks 23rd all-time in NCAA history for career receiving yards per reception at 20.2. He was 4th in the NCAA in 1995 with 20.2 yards per reception and 5th in the NCAA in 1994 with 21.1 yards per reception. So yeah, more touches would have assuredly ranked him much higher, and it seems as though the NFL scouts recognized that.

He was also a heck of a punt returner his junior and senior seasons, ranking 2nd in the NCAA in punt return touchdowns in 1995, 3rd in punt yards per return and 6th in total punt return yards. Additionally, I know it's the college HOF and not the Big East HOF, but his senior season, he led the Big East in receiving yards, yards per reception, punt return yards and punt return touchdowns. He was 2nd in receptions, receiving touchdowns, total touchdowns and total yards from scrimmage.

 

[KaiserUEO]

marvin is there because of his returns, not receptions.

and oddly, he wasnt even 1st or 2nd team AP for returns, but he did make the FWAA and TSN teams.

if he gets in, its because of his pro career. i dont think his college career warrants it.

Freeney will get in. he was 1st team AP, FWAA, TSN, Walter Camp, AFCA, PFW, CNN-SI & FN.


and again, someday P has to go in.

 

[BillSU]

I can understand how Marvin wouldn't get in. He was a fantastic player in college, one of the best I have ever seen, but he didn't get many touches.

Dwight was the best player in the country his senior season. And damn good before that.

If you are the best player in the country for at least one season, you belong in the hall of fame. IMHO.

Here, here.

Marvin was great at SU, Freeney was too.

 

[sufandu]

Harrison was the the 19th player selected in the 1996 draft. He must have done something in college to get that kind of recognition.

I don't think there is a question as to whether Marvin's ability was enough for him to get in. The question is whether his stats are good enough. Of course, that had more to do with our style of offense than how good he was. As other teams were going more pro oriented and pass happy, we were more conservative. Pro scouts can see beyond that as they did with McNabb in the '99 draft. A number of guys drafted after him had superior stats too.

 

[Eric15]

The go-ahead TD (60 yard bomb) from Kevin Mason to Marvin Harrison in the 1994 Oklahoma game was the loudest I've ever heard the Dome in my life.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I remember when asked about Marvin's credentials, coming out of college, Pasqualoni answered with something like: How do you think McNabb set all those SU passing records?

That's weird. They only played one season together.

 

[sufandu]

That's weird. They only played one season together.

It was the season he had his highest passer rating and his second highest completion percentage. But it was also the year with his fewest attempts and fewest TDs.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

It was the season he had his highest passer rating and his second highest completion percentage. But it was also the year with his fewest attempts and fewest TDs.

You know what's hilarious that shouldn't be?

Shrader, last season when he didn't play the full game for a bit and in a season where we were awful passing the ball, had more completions than McNabb's sophomore season and almost as many as his freshman season.

I mean, I know it was a different era (kinda, other people were throwing the ball a lot more), but the idea of having an elite QB like McNabb and throwing so little is just comical.

 

[gmoney44]

I can understand how Marvin wouldn't get in. He was a fantastic player in college, one of the best I have ever seen, but he didn't get many touches.

Dwight was the best player in the country his senior season. And damn good before that.

If you are the best player in the country for at least one season, you belong in the hall of fame. IMHO.

Marvin should have been targeted twice as much as he was. It still pisses me off 30 years later.

 

[sufandu]

Marvin should have been targeted twice as much as he was. It still pisses me off 30 years later.

It was more about total passing attempts. McNabb had 128 completions on 207 attempts. Harrison got 56 of those completions. The next highest number of completions was 19 to our starting running back. McNabb had almost as many rushing attempts as pass completions.

We were a relatively conservative offense in an era where there were fewer possessions and we often snapped the ball with little time on the play clock. Today McNabb would run for 1000 yards and throw for 3500. Harrison would catch 120 balls for 1800 yards.

 

[sufandu]

You know what's hilarious that shouldn't be?

Shrader, last season when he didn't play the full game for a bit and in a season where we were awful passing the ball, had more completions than McNabb's sophomore season and almost as many as his freshman season.

I mean, I know it was a different era (kinda, other people were throwing the ball a lot more), but the idea of having an elite QB like McNabb and throwing so little is just comical.

Looking back, it's pretty amazing that in 1998 we were 4th in the country in ppg. We averaged twice as many rush attempts as we did pass attempts despite opening things up a little more McNabb's senior year (passed a bit more junior year too).

In '98 Tim Couch had nearly 150 more COMPLETIONS (400) as McNabb had attempts.