Imagine this forum being shut down by ESPN!

[Shermthegeneral]

According to this new bill proposed by congress, from what I understant PIPA and SOPA will basically allow the internet to be censored and will allow a site like ESPN to censor and shut down sites that they feel are illegally posting their links, articles, or copyright material. It's really scary when the large corporations who are making millions from the internet are allowed to pick-off smaller competing sites without much due process. I just started learning about this bill if anyone else has any more detail I'd love to hear it.

 

[Mistakebythelake90]

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...t-why-sopa-protect-ip-are-bad-bad-ideas.shtml

 

[Solitude]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative/Learn_more
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOPA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIPA

None of these are blacked out in case you were wondering.

 

[BonaCuse]

Internet censorship can be a very bad thing. I knew a guy who just recently moved to China for two years for a job. He had to drop out of a college fantasy basketball league he was in because China blocks fantrax. Also blocks facebook as well.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Interesting because you'd think they'd want the web traffic directed to them via links.

Now if this site scoops ESPN (happens most of the time) could it effectively ban ESPN from posting the same info? Or require them to directly link this site as a source?

Sidenote - Since the Fine stuff on ESPN I have started using foxsports as my go to site. Fox have really stepped up their game and are knocking ESPN out on a lot of levels. PAC 12 contract was a big coup and just the beginning. I think Fox may end up with the ACC contract now that the ACC is able to reopen negotiations. At the very least, it will drive up the price considerably.

 

[Shermthegeneral]

Internet censorship can be a very bad thing. I knew a guy who just recently moved to China for two years for a job. He had to drop out of a college fantasy basketball league he was in because China blocks fantrax. Also blocks facebook as well.

the only difference here is that big business is calling the shots not the country leaders. I can envision a world where only approved websites by the NFL can host a fantasy football league. If a non-approved website puts up a logo, or anything to do with the a NFL team or player, the NFL can have that site shut down or the material removed without due process because they put up material that has a copyright. Scary!

 

[Shermthegeneral]

Interesting because you'd think they'd want the web traffic directed to them via links.

Now if this site scoops ESPN (happens most of the time) could it effectively ban ESPN from posting the same info? Or require them to directly link this site as a source?

Sidenote - Since the Fine stuff on ESPN I have started using foxsports as my go to site. Fox have really stepped up their game and are knocking ESPN out on a lot of levels. PAC 12 contract was a big coup and just the beginning. I think Fox may end up with the ACC contract now that the ACC is able to reopen negotiations. At the very least, it will drive up the price considerably.

Good point! I would say, whoever has the deeper pockets wins!

 

[alphaorange]

Being the conspiracy guy I am, I think this is more about news control than anything else. The internet is the sole open means for an incredible amount of free flowing information dispersal. Its hard to control large amounts of people until you control the flow of information (or disinformation). Surely, I can be wrong, but if I wanted to control the populous, that's where I would start.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

the only difference here is that big business is calling the shots not the country leaders.

Same entity dude.

 

[longislandcuse]

Being the conspiracy guy I am, I think this is more about news control than anything else. The internet is the sole open means for an incredible amount of free flowing information dispersal. Its hard to control large amounts of people until you control the flow of information (or disinformation). Surely, I can be wrong, but if I wanted to control the populous, that's where I would start.

I never used to be a conspiracy theory guy but recently I think there is way more than meets the eye. The gov't has taken tremendous amounts power and control via Patriot Act and numerous other stances taken in the name of protection. This should be very scary to everyone.

 

[kingtidge]

I like how the bills have almost unanimous congressional support from both democrat and republican.

Both bills were essentially written by lobbyists for content-generation companies and they lobbied and paid big $$$ to get congress to support it.

...In case you needed any other evidence that your congressman work for big companies and not for you

 

[longislandcuse]

https://www.google.com/landing/takeaction/

 

[armory]

Wikipedia is one of the greatest ideas of our lifetimes, and there is a likely chance that had these laws been in place 10 years ago Wikipedia wouldn't exist. We have ivory tower bureaucrats who actually admit on CSPAN that they "don't really know much about the internet" actually voting for or even co-sponsoring these bills. All because Hollywood, record companies, and huge news corporations have rich, powerful, established lobbying regimes whereas the young internet companies are new to the Big Corporatist Government game of "whoever is the most corrupt wins!".

Outdated, failing business models of huge businesses that are too big to adapt to the changing technology environment are always the culprits of laws like these to try and prevent new upcoming competition. This time they are willing to sacrifice the integrity of the entire internet as a whole to save their obsolete business models.

 

[Shermthegeneral]

I like how the bills have almost unanimous congressional support from both democrat and republican.

Both bills were essentially written by lobbyists for content-generation companies and they lobbied and paid big $$$ to get congress to support it.

...In case you needed any other evidence that your congressman work for big companies and not for you

This is the stuff that really grinds my gears! Big business runs this country and pays off every politician out there in the form of campaign contributions...how can we get a law passed that bans these forms of corruption?

 

[armory]

Then they try to convince you that it's a fight between government and big business to try to get you to pick a side ... when they are essentially the same thing. Their #1 goal is to perpetuate this false choice and let us fight amongst ourselves over which side of their face we want them speaking out of.

 

[OrangeTown]

Wikipedia is one of the greatest ideas of our lifetimes, and there is a likely chance that had these laws been in place 10 years ago Wikipedia wouldn't exist. We have ivory tower bureaucrats who actually admit on CSPAN that they "don't really know much about the internet" actually voting for or even co-sponsoring these bills. All because Hollywood, record companies, and huge news corporations have rich, powerful, established lobbying regimes whereas the young internet companies are new to the Big Corporatist Government game of "whoever is the most corrupt wins!".

So you're telling me Ron Morris is tinkering in politics now, eh?

 

[Col. Bleep]

Internet censorship can be a very bad thing. I knew a guy who just recently moved to China for two years for a job. He had to drop out of a college fantasy basketball league he was in because China blocks fantrax. Also blocks facebook as well.

This is not such a bad thing for the United States.
The day China halts censorship is the day many of their best & brightest stop emigrating here.

 

[RoysRunts]

 

[TexanMark]

The ACC right now is only allowed to renegotiate with ESPN (due to adding Cuse/Pitt)...if they feel they aren't getting a market offer then they can go to arbitration. I don't think FOX is in play for the ACC.

 

[cpatrocks]

Wikipedia is one of the greatest ideas of our lifetimes, and there is a likely chance that had these laws been in place 10 years ago Wikipedia wouldn't exist. We have ivory tower bureaucrats who actually admit on CSPAN that they "don't really know much about the internet"

The internet is a series of tubes!

 

[armory]

Perfect picture:

 

[TinyManInside]

Then they try to convince you that it's a fight between government and big business to try to get you to pick a side ... when they are essentially the same thing. Their #1 goal is to perpetuate this false choice and let us fight amongst ourselves over which side of their face we want them speaking out of.

IMO dem vs. repub is really only two sides of the same coin... given for the illusion of choice. How much really changes regardless of which party is in power?

 

[armory]

LOL, the complaints flowing in are taking down Senators' websites: http://gizmodo.com/5877219/sopa-outrage-is-breaking-the-senates-websites.

Glad that people are (finally) speaking up, but a bit frustrated that this has been a huge topic on the internet for months and it wasn't until these sites coordinated a blackout that people finally paid attention.

 

[zhanjuzi]

Internet censorship can be a very bad thing. I knew a guy who just recently moved to China for two years for a job. He had to drop out of a college fantasy basketball league he was in because China blocks fantrax. Also blocks facebook as well.

For $75/year he can run a VPN like HMA with access to everything.

 

[DoctorBombay]

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