Jason Cabinda 2014 the first FB commit for SU in the ACC

[CuseLegacy]

http://syracusefan.com/threads/olb-jason-cabinda-nj-offered-beyond-excited.52397/

 

[Yegorange]

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootb...use_football_recruiting_o_7.html#incart_river

 

[oldpinepoint]

 

[orangemass]

Sweet!

 

[gbo]

Do you guys think that being in the ACC will help with recruiting or not really?

 

[Chris02M]

winning consistently will be the main help in recruiting after we get the IPF designs/plans done

 

[Faegan]

Not too far from where I live in NJ. Hunterdon Central covers a wide area... big school. Maybe I'll be able to catch one of his games in the fall.

 

[HtownOrange]

Do you guys think that being in the ACC will help with recruiting or not really?

It will hep because the competition is better. However, winning is the real cure. Facilities arewell and good but we still need to win.

 

[anglerman]

Competition will not be any better than in the BE. The BE was grossly under-rated. Especially by people on the board

 

[OrangePA]

Do you guys think that being in the ACC will help with recruiting or not really?

Yes.

 

[anomander]

Do you guys think that being in the ACC will help with recruiting or not really?

ultimately it will be wins, but ACC is the next important. Much easier to sell playing Clemson, FSU, GT then Uconn, Cincinatti, and Temple

 

[Scooch]

Do you guys think that being in the ACC will help with recruiting or not really?

In order:

Coaches/Recruiters
Wins
Facilities
Conference

 

[TheCusian]

In order:

Coaches/Recruiters
Wins
Facilities
Conference

Yep. And:

Conference $ leads to
Upgraded Facilities leads to
Wins leads to
Retaining good coaches recruiters leads to
Sustained recruiting success

Unlike the downward spiral of the BE.

 

[All4SU]

Competition will not be any better than in the BE. The BE was grossly under-rated. Especially by people on the board

Sure it will. Of course the BE had good years in FB, when it was better than the ACC, and the PAC. But those years were all PRE 2003. Now add SU, Pitt, and next year LVIlle to the ACC. And the competition will be better in the ACC now, than it was at any time in the old BE.

 

[TheCusian]

Sure it will. Of course the BE had good years in FB, when it was better than the ACC, and the PAC. But those years were all PRE 2003. Now add SU, Pitt, and next year LVIlle to the ACC. And the competition will be better in the ACC now, than it was at any time in the old BE.

Factually - the two conferences had been very similar. Perception wise? That's where the ACC has a leg up.

 

[All4SU]

Factually - the two conferences had been very similar. Perception wise? That's where the ACC has a leg up.

Not for a decade.

 

[CuseLegacy]

In order:

Coaches/Recruiters
Wins
Facilities
Conference

Yep. And:

Conference $ leads to
Upgraded Facilities leads to
Wins leads to
Retaining good coaches recruiters leads to
Sustained recruiting success

Unlike the downward spiral of the BE.

Catch-22.

 

[TheCusian]

Not for a decade.

The BE had better bowl record, and were on par in the BCS. Head to head was close to even. Records vs SEC and B1G, similar. BCS bowl wins, similar.

 

[The Viking]

[/quote]Competition will not be any better than in the BE. The BE was grossly under-rated. Especially by people on the board[/quote]

I think you're correct up to a point, but when it comes to recruiting, perception - by student-athletes, their parents, and their coaches - means a lot. And unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately now for SU) that perception is often created by media comments and attitudes.

 

[Scooch]

Catch-22.

Not really, IMHO.

Money may allow you to retain good coaches and build better facilities. But money alone doesn't allow you to find good coaches or win.

So yeah, the conference $ is a huge help, but the foundation is still making good hires who can recruit and coach. Everything else kinda swirls around that.

 

[Alsacs]

Competition will not be any better than in the BE. The BE was grossly under-rated. Especially by people on the board

Big East football was a dumpster fire.

Only Pitt, West Virginia were name brands. Louisville/Cincinnati weren't traditional rivals. South Florida, UConn, Rutgers never drew recruits or people to the Dome. Having either Florida State or Clemson on the schedule, with Wake, Boston College, Pitt,NC State will help recruiting just because we will have access to HS players in NC, SC, GA, FL now. The Big East was not underrated was being held together by glue and came apart when SU, Pitt, WVU all jumped ship.

 

[PhatOrange]

It's all about perception and right or wrong the big east was perceived as weak.

However you still have to win. can't go to the ACC and anchor the basement because then money nor facilities will matter. Blue chips want to play for a winner. They're not going to play for 2-10 teams bc you have the nicest weight room and ipf.

 

[OrangePA]

In order:

Coaches/Recruiters
Wins
Facilities
Conference

Here are my rankings.

Facilities/Wow Factor/Stadium/Money is No. 1.
Winning is No. 2.
I hate to say it, but I think Conference is No. 3 and Coaches are No. 4.

 

[Texas Otto]

This is another great pick-up!

 

[Scooch]

Here are my rankings.

Facilities/Wow Factor/Stadium/Money is No. 1.
Winning is No. 2.
I hate to say it, but I think Conference is No. 3 and Coaches are No. 4.

Hmmm...

I'm trying to think of examples where a program is recruiting at a sustained high level with a mediocre staff, but killer facilities. Basically a scenario where the facilities recruit themselves.

Now maybe coaches look like better recruiters because of the facilities, and therefore don't appear "mediocre", but I don't know how we control for that.

Its hard for me to put conference ahead of coaches though. If that were the case its hard to explain Boise State, TCU, MWC-era Utah, etc.