Jason King RE: Kentucky

[shandeezy7]

For everyone who says the media only harps on our schedule:

Kentucky's schedule: The Wildcats have just two wins against teams ranked in the current top 25 (Kansas and North Carolina). They haven't played a ranked opponent since beating then-No. 4 Louisville on Dec. 31, and the Cardinals are no longer in the poll. The situation is more of an indictment on the SEC than the Wildcats. Still, it makes it tough to judge exactly where this team is.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...ncaa-tournament-bubble-men-college-basketball

 

[CusefanATL]

kentucky has beaten kansas (neutral), unc (too close for comfort), ville and lost to indiana (a)

i think that beats

beating fla, marquette, wvu (too close for comfort) and losing to ND (a)

 

[Upstate]

kentucky has beaten kansas (neutral), unc (too close for comfort), ville and lost to indiana (a)

i think that beats

beating fla, marquette, wvu (too close for comfort) and losing to ND (a)

sure it does, but do teams play 3 or 4 games a season? nope, there are 18-19 more games to judge teams by, and SU has played a plethora of better teams than UK. That's the UK fan reasoning...they only want to focus on 3 games. The committee sees it otherwise, good for us, too.

 

[CusefanATL]

sure it does, but do teams play 3 or 4 games a season? nope, there are 18-19 more games to judge teams by, and SU has played a plethora of better teams than UK. That's the UK fan reasoning...they only want to focus on 3 games. The committee sees it otherwise, good for us, too.

i understand your point... but those 4 games help them more for the tournament than our 23 games IMO.

I dont care about playing a team ranked 101 compared to them playing a team ranked 175. if we win by 20 or 40, it dosent really matter.

beating legitamite title contenders are a bigger deal.

 

[jdubs30]

Lunardi has made it abundantly clear that Cuse's resume is far away the best in America. Who cares what random analysts (Gottlieb) think at this point, numbers are numbers, and ours way better than anyone else's right now. The committee will see it too.

 

[CusefanATL]

Lunardi has made it abundantly clear that Cuse's resume is far away the best in America. Who cares what random analysts (Gottlieb) think at this point, numbers are numbers, and ours way better than anyone else's right now. The committee will see it too.

again, i agree with this as far as overall resume and nerdy bracketolgists.

but are you comfortable playing kentucky or ohio state right now?

we can say yes or no and give any reason we want to - but the fact of the matter is we cant answer it definitively because we havent played a legitamite top 10 team yet.

 

[jdubs30]

again, i agree with this as far as overall resume and nerdy bracketolgists.

but are you comfortable playing kentucky or ohio state right now?

we can say yes or no and give any reason we want to - but the fact of the matter is we cant answer it definitively because we havent played a legitamite top 10 team yet.

If Fab is back I think we'll be ok.

Top 10 teams are scary. I'm sure OSU would rather not see us, UNC or UK until New Orleans; ditto for UNC fans, UK fans and us. If we can beat UK on a Saturday night in New Orleans in late March that's all care about. Maybe if we played them tomorrow we win, maybe we lose; but it's irrelevant.

 

[SmilinBob]

kentucky has beaten kansas (neutral), unc (too close for comfort), ville and lost to indiana (a)

i think that beats

beating fla, marquette, wvu (too close for comfort) and losing to ND (a)

What I get out of your post is to avoid traveling to Indiana to play basketball!

 

[BuffOrange]

again, i agree with this as far as overall resume and nerdy bracketolgists.

but are you comfortable playing kentucky or ohio state right now?

we can say yes or no and give any reason we want to - but the fact of the matter is we cant answer it definitively because we havent played a legitamite top 10 team yet.

Comfortable, no. But I wouldn't feel more comfortable had we played UNC in the dome at full strength and beat them by a point.

 

[Madbiker]

They played two high profile teams in KU and UNC. Outside of that their schedule has been weak. SOS #67 in today's Realtime RPI. Check their OOC games ... a lot of really bad dogs with sub 200 RPI. Much worse than SU. SEC is down this year. Only FL and Vandy are decent. I'm not saying UK isn't a top team...just that I agree it's really hard to know given their soft schedule.

 

[SmilinBob]

I think it's easier to get up for a couple of difficult games and not have a schedule where you have to play at a pretty high level each time or lose. Ironically if this were like football where the SEC is king, you'd think SU would be #1 because of playing in the big east but the table seems to switched around for hoop...I wonder why? Imagine a team from the SEC being #2 in football to anyone outside of another SEC team with the same record?

 

[CorduroyG]

When florida beats kentucky our win over them will look much much better.

 

[PoppyHart]

I think it's easier to get up for a couple of difficult games and not have a schedule where you have to play at a pretty high level each time or lose. Ironically if this were like football where the SEC is king, you'd think SU would be #1 because of playing in the big east but the table seems to switched around for hoop...I wonder why? Imagine a team from the SEC being #2 in football to anyone outside of another SEC team with the same record?

Contrary to popular belief, the BE has not historically been the best conference. In fact, it's been rated the highest conference only once or twice in the past 15 years or so.

 

[BuffOrange]

I think it's easier to get up for a couple of difficult games and not have a schedule where you have to play at a pretty high level each time or lose. Ironically if this were like football where the SEC is king, you'd think SU would be #1 because of playing in the big east but the table seems to switched around for hoop...I wonder why? Imagine a team from the SEC being #2 in football to anyone outside of another SEC team with the same record?

I don't think the BE is good enough this year to really make this point, but it has been a valid point for years past. When we have a half dozen road wins vs tourney teams and Duke/UK have 1 each like a couple yrs ago, it's really pathetic for anyone to obsess over the non-conference imo. Doesn't look like that's going to be the case this year though.

 

[CusefanATL]

I think it's easier to get up for a couple of difficult games and not have a schedule where you have to play at a pretty high level each time or lose. Ironically if this were like football where the SEC is king, you'd think SU would be #1 because of playing in the big east but the table seems to switched around for hoop...I wonder why? Imagine a team from the SEC being #2 in football to anyone outside of another SEC team with the same record?

Sec football has been unquestionably the best conf every single year for the last 5 years...

The big east may be the 3rd or 4th best conf this year

 

[Garbs]

again, i agree with this as far as overall resume and nerdy bracketolgists.

but are you comfortable playing kentucky or ohio state right now?

we can say yes or no and give any reason we want to - but the fact of the matter is we cant answer it definitively because we havent played a legitamite top 10 team yet.

I am more comfortable playing those teams because we play better quality teams night in and night out, whereas UK would go into a game saying oh we beat UNC at home 3 months ago we got this, when in reality they haven't played a good team in 3 months

silly argument though both UK and Cuse have back loaded conference schedule so after the next month we will find out who is for real

 

[CusefanATL]

I am more comfortable playing those teams because we play better quality teams night in and night out, whereas UK would go into a game saying oh we beat UNC at home 3 months ago we got this, when in reality they haven't played a good team in 3 months

silly argument though both UK and Cuse have back loaded conference schedule so after the next month we will find out who is for real

Don't agree with that at all... 4 top 50 games isnt quality opponents night in and night out.

As i said there is no difference to me if a team is ranked 100th or 200th besides the margin of victory

 

[Knicks411]

When we have a half dozen road wins vs tourney teams and Duke/UK have 1 each like a couple yrs ago, it's really pathetic for anyone to obsess over the non-conference imo.

Did we have 6 road wins over NCAA tournament teams? Damn, that seems very impressive.

Let's see, 2010 there is Florida (wasn't @Florida, but for the sake of the argument), WVU, ND, Gtown.
Last year there was St. Johns, UConn, Nova, Gtown.
2009 Kansas (once again, not at Phog, but for the sake of the argument), Memphis, Marquette.

Like I said, 6 seems incredible, so the fact that I don't think we got there is a big deal. We've averaged nearly 4 per year the last 3 years. Not sure how many we'll get this year though.

 

[upperdeck]

i think there is a huge difference between a team ranked 100 and 200.. you should not lose to teams ranked 200.. teams ranked 100 will still win a share of games against top 10 teams..

90-110 is cinci, prov, iowa, rutgers, vill, nebraska, maryland.. teams that are not great but talented on any given night..

190-210 bradley, fl gulf coast, st francis..

 

[Garbs]

Don't agree with that at all... 4 top 50 games isnt quality opponents night in and night out.

As i said there is no difference to me if a team is ranked 100th or 200th besides the margin of victory

there is a huge difference, top 100 teams have a chance or can be in the tourney, 200+ teams have no shot at going to the dance

 

[CusefanATL]

there is a huge difference, top 100 teams have a chance or can be in the tourney, 200+ teams have no shot at going to the dance

I dare u to find me a team 75 or higher to make the field as an at large

 

[Garbs]

I dare u to find me a team 75 or higher to make the field as an at large

where did I say they were at large's?

I am talking about teams like Bucknell in that range that will make the tourney, and teams like ND/Pitt/stanford/NC st/illinois who could go on a run and improve as the year goes on, but a team 200 cannot do that

 

[SmilinBob]

Contrary to popular belief, the BE has not historically been the best conference. In fact, it's been rated the highest conference only once or twice in the past 15 years or so.

Maybe but can also agree that the SEC has been pretty low on the conference ratings as well? Reputation is pretty big when it comes to voters and the big east has more of an SEC type rep in hoops.

 

[Knicks411]

How many home games have we lost in the last 5 years to teams ranked 100 or higher in say, the Ken pom rankings? or Sagarin?

Seton Hall last year was 59th in Pomeroy. In 2008, when we weren't any good, we lost to Umass (60) and Rhode Island (82). (And I'd argue that is different anyway, we are talking about for the elite teams, we weren't close to one in 2008).

90-110 is cinci, prov, iowa, rutgers, vill, nebraska, maryland.. teams that are not great but talented on any given night..

Cincy is 50th in pomeroy, 51ist in Sagarin. Providence is 116 though. And we beat them by 23 at home.

To me, the difference is home and road. Home games vs teams 100 or higher are no different than the 200 level teams. For roadgames, I agree it's different. I got into this thinking we were only talking home games (since we pretty much never play roadies OOC) so that was my frame of reference. Do top 5 teams ever lose at home to teams 100 or higher?

 

[PeteCalvin]

i understand your point... but those 4 games help them more for the tournament than our 23 games IMO.

I dont care about playing a team ranked 101 compared to them playing a team ranked 175. if we win by 20 or 40, it dosent really matter.

beating legitamite title contenders are a bigger deal.

Clearly this argument needs to be settled on a Monday night in April. Then, and only then, will we know who's schedule meant more.