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I love this board and respect the vast majority of people and their opinions. That being said, there are a number of very prominent posters on this board who get very up in arms if any criticism comes JB's way.

Enough is enough.

It's time for a change. The buck stops with one man. James Arthur Boeheim. I know we'll hear from the blind loyalists...things like, "How can Boeheim be expected to know EVERYTHING that is going on in his program?" I guess he can't. But there has been a trend of off-the-court bs for decades at Syracuse. I don't want to hear, "it happens at all programs." That's a cop out. There is one man who is the face of this "franchise." If we are willing to blast Calipari and Calhoun and everyone else for their transgressions: why is JB immune to that same criticism? This year we've become a poster child for what is wrong with big-time college sports programs. My apologies to class acts in our program like Kris Joseph, just to name one example of someone who seems to get what an honor and a privilege it is to be in his position.

I know what people will say: Jim Boeheim has meant so much to this school...to this community...he does tons of charity work. That is all well and good and those are things that should be applauded. But what about the other coin: seemingly every year it's one thing or another off the court. I am an alum and a fan and I'm sick of it. I'm frankly sick of being one of those apologists with my friends and family and random 'Cuse and JB bashers.

It's time for a change. JB needs to resign. I'm not even sure Mike Hopkins is the best replacement. He learned everything from JB...played for him and has been an assistant for a long time too. I think it's time to hand the reins over the someone from the outside and start fresh. I have no clue who that is but maybe someone like Shaka Smart, I don't know... or Brad Stevens...someone young and energetic. And someone who values values.

Oh, and Fab Melo: you are a loser and my least favorite player ever to wear the uniform. Go home to Brazil and I wish you zero success in your future endeavors.

Character counts.
 
I love this board and respect the vast majority of people and their opinions. That being said, there are a number of very prominent posters on this board who get very up in arms if any criticism comes JB's way.

Enough is enough.

It's time for a change. The buck stops with one man. James Arthur Boeheim. I know we'll hear from the blind loyalists...things like, "How can Boeheim be expected to know EVERYTHING that is going on in his program?" I guess he can't. But there has been a trend of off-the-court bs for decades at Syracuse. I don't want to hear, "it happens at all programs." That's a cop out. There is one man who is the face of this "franchise." If we are willing to blast Calipari and Calhoun and everyone else for their transgressions: why is JB immune to that same criticism? This year we've become a poster child for what is wrong with big-time college sports programs. My apologies to class acts in our program like Kris Joseph, just to name one example of someone who seems to get what an honor and a privilege it is to be in his position.

I know what people will say: Jim Boeheim has meant so much to this school...to this community...he does tons of charity work. That is all well and good and those are things that should be applauded. But what about the other coin: seemingly every year it's one thing or another off the court. I am an alum and a fan and I'm sick of it. I'm frankly sick of being one of those apologists with my friends and family and random 'Cuse and JB bashers.

It's time for a change. JB needs to resign. I'm not even sure Mike Hopkins is the best replacement. He learned everything from JB...played for him and has been an assistant for a long time too. I think it's time to hand the reins over the someone from the outside and start fresh. I have no clue who that is but maybe someone like Shaka Smart, I don't know... or Brad Stevens...someone young and energetic. And someone who values values.

Oh, and Fab Melo: you are a loser and my least favorite player ever to wear the uniform. Go home to Brazil and I wish you zero success in your future endeavors.

Character counts.
if you can't work overtime to get control over your team after all the crap that's gone on this year, it's time to go. That goes for Hop too.

how many last straws can you have
 
My apologies to class acts in our program like Kris Joseph, just to name one example of someone who seems to get what an honor and a privilege it is to be in his position.

I'm kind of on board with what you said to a degree, but the more I think about it. THIS is the most important. Don't just give them your apologies. Let's give them our support for the next 1-2-3 weeks. Scoop, Kris, James, CJ.. even 2012 Dion, these guys deserve our support. Let's worry about JB, the program, etc after the year.
 
I'm kind of on board with what you said to a degree, but the more I think about it. THIS is the most important. Don't just give them your apologies. Let's give them our support for the next 1-2-3 weeks. Scoop, Kris, James, CJ.. even 2012 Dion, these guys deserve our support. Let's worry about JB, the program, etc after the year.
Nort sure why Dion deserves our support to be honest. Isn't he the guy who isn't going to class and is frucking our APR? I'm just really pissed right now...
 
Nort sure why Dion deserves our support to be honest. Isn't he the guy who isn't going to class and is frucking our APR? I'm just really pissed right now...
I'm beyond pissed...and ultimately it WILL be JB's head, imo...but we still got some games. Let's play it out.
 
I don't agree with the premise that Boeheim needs to go, but his "winning is all that matters" approach has led to a lot of unnecessary disappointment over the years. There's no doubt that he's abdicated his responsibility to stay on top of his players' extracurricular activities and deter some of the behavior that leads to these situations.

I do hope Hopkins is more of the Doug Marrone mindset. College kids left to their own devices will make mistakes; they need and deserve some supervision.
 
I disagree on a bunch of your points but definitely in regards to the Melo suspensions. If I was suspended from my work for doing drugs or put on probation for being Peter from Office Space then I doubt it would be the CEO's fault. There are programs in place at SU to help him academically and he either doesn't want to put in the work or isn't cut out for college. If it's drugs then they can't hold his hand 24/7 through life.

The blame lies solely at Melo and whether he is mature enough to get over his issues (whatever they may be). I wish him well and hope he matures otherwise the real world (NBA, Europe, Brazil) will be brutal. At the end of the day this is just a college basketball. Go to a conference about healthcare or the debt crisis and you will really want to jump out a moving car.
 
Oh man, I really hope not.

Like not at all.

In terms of preaching responsibility and keeping apprised of players' non-football lives.

Not in terms of conservatism.
 
Yeah, guys, get rid of your coach who just went 31-2.

I would personally love that.

We won't be playing the Huskies again after next year, your coach will most likely retire as opposed to automatically miss an NCAA tournament, so it really doesn't matter much now does it.
 
Good to see you've planted your flag on the moral high ground, iommi. Have fun up there and say hi to all your buddies as they arrive.
 
Good to see you've planted your flag on the moral high ground, iommi. Have fun up there and say hi to all your buddies as they arrive.
Is it really the moral high ground? Or is it just the min expected? This year we have been hit with 3 blockbuster events. I have always been one of jb's biggest supporters but the program has lacked discipline for his 36 years. It just has. And over the last few years we have been making excuses for kids when we shouldn't have been. Edelin, Devo, the list does go on.
 
Good to see you've planted your flag on the moral high ground, iommi. Have fun up there and say hi to all your buddies as they arrive.
I'm proud to take a moral high ground on this or any issue. I'm not perfect; never claim to be or act like I am. It's obvious the captain has lost control of the ship. I have plenty of friends who respect me so I'll have plenty of people to say hi to up here in my "ivory tower."
 
who should coach then??

because Hop is guilty by association and his arse should go to.

not to mention gmac and autry.

hop, gmac and autry are acutally more guilty, theyre likely in charge of this crap.

all gone.

goodbye.
 
Is it really the moral high ground? Or is it just the min expected? This year we have been hit with 3 blockbuster events. I have always been one of jb's biggest supporters but the program has lacked discipline for his 36 years. It just has. And over the last few years we have been making excuses for kids when we shouldn't have been. Edelin, Devo, the list does go on.
Look, you make some valid points, as does iommi. I just have a problem with someone making a blustery post like iommi's about an hour after something like this breaks, before we even know all the facts (such as why he was declared ineligible).
 
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