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Jerry Palm's lastest Bracketology

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Things that stick out. Obviously Syracuse is the 1 seed in the East. 8-9 Mizzou-Georgetown, 4-5 Kansas-Memphis, 2-3 Villanova-Iowa pretty tough region if it happens.

However, the next ACC teams are Pittsburgh 6 seed, Virginia 7 seed Florida State 7 seed, Duke 8 seed, North Carolina 10 seed

We have a HUGE lead to the be the ACC team in the East region. Also, Palm smartly looks at Ohio State's resume and doesn't worship at the altar of Aaron Craft and seeds the current Buckeyes resume as a 6 seed.
 
Hmm.

I think Duke and OSU will end up much higher than their current seeding.
They probably will. But the bracket is based on records as of today.
 
Duke and Ohio State are polar opposites. Duke can score, but has trouble defending with the new handchecking rules, and Ohio State can defend, but has no go to scorer, and can be zoned easily. Duke will likely finish as a 3 or 4 seed, but Ohio State could struggle in the B1G if the refs don't let Craft foul every possession and whine when he gets treated equally.

I think Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Wisconsin are the teams I want no part of before the Final Four if possible when it turns to March.

Duke and Ohio State just aren't as good as their preseason hype unless Duke defends better and Ohio State has somebody step up on offense.
 
If Wichita St goes undefeated, and it is likely that they will with their schedule, there will be an outcry to award them a #1 seed. Their are many in the media who will be very loud about it. This could potentially impact SU and Michigan St if either slips even a little bit. The chances of Arizona slipping are looking slimmer with both Oregon and Colorado (their best shots for a road loss) taking loses and not playing well lately plus the injury to CO's PG yesterday. Just something to watch out for. IMO both Duke and Pitt will move up quite a bit. The Earth would spin off its axis if Duke was ever a #8 seed.
 
If Wichita St goes undefeated, and it is likely that they will with their schedule, there will be an outcry to award them a #1 seed. Their are many in the media who will be very loud about it. This could potentially impact SU and Michigan St if either slips even a little bit. The chances of Arizona slipping are looking slimmer with both Oregon and Colorado (their best shots for a road loss) taking loses and not playing well lately plus the injury to CO's PG yesterday. Just something to watch out for. IMO both Duke and Pitt will move up quite a bit. The Earth would spin off its axis if Duke was ever a #8 seed.
The committee awards seeds by resumes no way Wichita State's resume will be a top 4 resume even if they go undefeated. When St. Joe's was givena 1 seed they played in the A-10 which always has been a multiple bid league. The Missouri Valley without Creighton is not a multiple bid league. The Shockers max seed IMO is a 2 seed if they run the table. Honestly, it should be a 3 seed if their resume is worthy of it. Beating BYU, Alabama, St. Louis Tennessee and the MVC is not worthy of a 1 seed. In 2005, Louisville had an insane record I think with 1 or 2 losses and was given a 4 seed when they were in C-USA. Wichita State IMO will end up as a 3 or 4 seed.

Duke isn't going to end up an 8 seed, but that is where their current resume would put them. Arizona has the 1 seed in the West pretty much wrapped up.
 
If Wichita St goes undefeated, and it is likely that they will with their schedule, there will be an outcry to award them a #1 seed. Their are many in the media who will be very loud about it. This could potentially impact SU and Michigan St if either slips even a little bit. The chances of Arizona slipping are looking slimmer with both Oregon and Colorado (their best shots for a road loss) taking loses and not playing well lately plus the injury to CO's PG yesterday. Just something to watch out for. IMO both Duke and Pitt will move up quite a bit. The Earth would spin off its axis if Duke was ever a #8 seed.

No way are they a 1 seed. The committee should have learned their lesson with Gonzaga last year. No way they were a 1 seed either.
 
if we do our job and beat duke twice, they likely lose at least twice more and end up and 8-10 loss team and perhaps 1 solid win
 
Ok. One thing that has not changed on any of these bracketologies...Syracuse vs. Georgetown matchups.

Which is smart. These brackets are trying to matchup Big east foes where they can which the committee would be smart to do.

Aside from SU-Grayshite, they also have Nova-Connvicts 2nd round and Shittsburgh-L'ville 1st round.

Of course those 2nd round matchups wont happen because Hoyas and Huskies won't make it to the 2nd round BUT there will be a bunch of tickets sold based on the potential matchup.
 
if we do our job and beat duke twice, they likely lose at least twice more and end up and 8-10 loss team and perhaps 1 solid win
If we sweep Duke which honestly if you shot me with sodium penthohal I would say we have less than a 10% chance to do Duke probably at best is a 6 seed and if they lost more on the road would be an 8-9 seed. Duke is 1-2 in ACC play and plays @Miami, Pitt, Syracuse, BC, Wake, North Carolina, and Georgia Tech. They probably need to win 4 of those 7 games. I think they will go 9-0 at home in conference play, but if they go 11-7 or 12-6 in conference play they only have 2 good non-conference scalps against UCLA and Michigan that aren't elite teams this year. Duke needs to split with Syracuse and beat Miami, Wake, North Carolina, Georgia Tech on the road.
 
WSU is probably the closest thing there is to a lock 1 seed at this point. The sooner we all accept that the better.

Not only that, there is a better than even chance they end up ranked #1 at some point.
 
No way are they a 1 seed. The committee should have learned their lesson with Gonzaga last year. No way they were a 1 seed either.

Gonzaga lost to a team that went to the final four and was leading Louisville halfway though the 2nd half.

Not really a mistake on the committee's part.
 
WSU is probably the closest thing there is to a lock 1 seed at this point. The sooner we all accept that the better.

Not only that, there is a better than even chance they end up ranked #1 at some point.

I think there is a much better chance they end up ranked #1 at one point than end up as a 1 seed.
 
Gonzaga lost to a team that went to the final four and was leading Louisville halfway though the 2nd half.

Not really a mistake on the committee's part.


they were also tied with less than 4 minutes left against 16 seed Southern in the 1st round.

wichita st should not be a 1 seed, i dont care if they go undefeated. would they go undefeated in a major conference? no way
 
wichita st should not be a 1 seed, i dont care if they go undefeated. would they go undefeated in a major conference? no way
If they did go undefeated in a P5 conference, it would be a
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Palm has as good as any "as of now" bracket. He truly does look at resume's, rather than others who overseed high rep team (who should become better) but have not done anything.

That being said I find "as of now" brackets limiting in information.

At year end, people tend to underrate OOC. But at this point of the year we have the opposite issue. OOC is pretty much your entire resume, and some teams clearly have the opportunity and the conference to make more moves than others. The as of now approach does not capture this impact, so it has little predictive value - its not a great tracking measure

I really do like making a bracket off RPIforecast data. It incorporates teams that have the big conference advantage, which is really key going forward. You can see it when you see the final predicted numbers. For example, the top team in the Big 12 is tracking to have one hell of a resume, whomever it may be. You could also see where Syracuse would sit with a 13-5 record in the ACC.

http://www.rpiforecast.com/index2.html

The predictions are based on prior games, so it does in effect capture what has happened so far. Your not playing god - its unbisaed Only problem is you have to rely on Sagarin, and for some reason its crapping on Syracuse this year. The prediction of 13-5 seems at least one game too low I just projected them as #1 east, and ignored the data Syracuse, but followed it for everybody else.

Bracket almost finished, and will post it in a separate ongoing thread.

But based on data above, and my adjustment for Syracuse

West
1. Arizona
2. Michigan St
3. San Diego St
4. Duke

Midwest
1. Wisconsin
2. Oklahoma St
3. Wichita St
4. Kentucky


South
1. Iowa St
2. Florida
3. Iowa
4. Ohio St

East
1. Syracuse
2. Villanova
3. Kansas
4. UMass

I had Georgetown/UConn playing in the 8/9 game as well - committee will try to make it if they can, and they are eastern teams as well.

One way this will not happen (assuming Villanova is #2 or #3 in the East ) is if Georgetown becomes the third best team in the Big East. Georgetown would need to be in a different region as the top 3 from each conference must be in a different region. However, in my bracket I moved Xavier up one line to #8 - the same line as Georgetown. So in essence Xavier is the third team from the Big East. Committee is then flexible with Georgetown.

Anyway as you can see from above:
- There are limitations that can make the match up hard to do.
- But there are also slight movements that can be made to accomodate the game in certain circumstances. The committee could easily do what I did above, and move Xavier up a line to get a matchup it wants.
 
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Gonzaga lost to a team that went to the final four and was leading Louisville halfway though the 2nd half.

Not really a mistake on the committee's part.

If Wichita St is undefeated, its getting a #1 seed. Even if their resume is limited, they have the cred of a final 4 team and the allure of being the first undefeated team entering the tourney in over 20 years. That will be enough for the old "eye test" which the committee uses from time to time to veer off its standards.

That being said, the people that are comparing Wichita St to Gonzaga are using poor logic. They do not have similar resumes at all and are not comparable. If Wichita St loses one game, taking away the allure of an undefeated season, it will not be a #1.

I know Gonzaga had many haters here last year who thought they played nobody, which was inaccurate. They beat a 3 seed, a 4 seed on the road, beat legit tourney teams on the road in St. Mary's and BYU, and won 3 other games against those two. Did major conference schools have more - yes, but more opportunity as well. Wichita St cannot build anything anywhere close to that win profile - no such OOC win and it can't get a road win against a conference team.

Furthermore, if Wichita St loses it will automatically be a worse loss than Gonzaga had last year.

So the teams are not in the same situation. If Wichita St goes 33-0, it gets a #1 seed for being undefeated, but if they go 32-1 or 31-2 they would not get a #1 either.
 
I think WSU is more 2012 Murray St than 2004 St Joes

I think they are somewhere in the middle. MVC this year is in between A-10 at that time and the OVC.
 

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