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Yamdat44

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40-37 at the half. Miss State
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Would love for UK to lose this one. When will recruits realize Paypal does not make you better? he takes tons of talent and babysits them for a year. Same recruits would be just as successful at any school.
 

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Would love for UK to lose this one. When will recruits realize Paypal does not make you better? he takes tons of talent and babysits them for a year. Same recruits would be just as successful at any school.

To be fair, Calipari did deliver to his recruits on his first 3 classes in terms of getting them to the NBA, and generally where players expected (high lotto, mid lotto or first). Some can argue it was a chicken or egg thing, but his success rate was quite high, and higher than normal. Even guys playing roles like Bledsoe and Orton became first rounders after a year. What players were misses?

But that being said, 2013 and 2014 are disasters for Calipari. Most of the high recruits are not getting into the lotto or first round, after one year... last year there was Cauley-Stein, Poythress, and Goodwin that certainly expected to be lotto type players... this year the Harrison's and others. Even the top recruits, Randle and Noel, fell a bit in terms of prospect, even if they still went high lotto.

The success of 2010-2012 fuelled this recruiting class. But its going to turn based on the last two years.
 

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To be fair, Calipari did deliver to his recruits on his first 3 classes in terms of getting them to the NBA, and generally where players expected (high lotto, mid lotto or first). Some can argue it was a chicken or egg thing, but his success rate was quite high, and higher than normal. Even guys playing roles like Bledsoe and Orton became first rounders after a year. What players were misses?

But that being said, 2013 and 2014 are disasters for Calipari. Most of the high recruits are not getting into the lotto or first round, after one year... last year there was Cauley-Stein, Poythress, and Goodwin that certainly expected to be lotto type players... this year the Harrison's and others. Even the top recruits, Randle and Noel, fell a bit in terms of prospect, even if they still went high lotto.

The success of 2010-2012 fuelled this recruiting class. But its going to turn based on the last two years.
Teague
 

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Teague

That is one excpetion, you are correct. Although at least he still went first. I think the point still stands, that he delivered greatly (overall) for 3 years, and has crapped his pants for the last two.

He threw this team under the bus last year to try to save his image and the perception. He can't throw this year's team under the bus again to save the rep.
 

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To be fair, Calipari did deliver to his recruits on his first 3 classes in terms of getting them to the NBA, and generally where players expected (high lotto, mid lotto or first). Some can argue it was a chicken or egg thing, but his success rate was quite high, and higher than normal. Even guys playing roles like Bledsoe and Orton became first rounders after a year. What players were misses?

But that being said, 2013 and 2014 are disasters for Calipari. Most of the high recruits are not getting into the lotto or first round, after one year... last year there was Cauley-Stein, Poythress, and Goodwin that certainly expected to be lotto type players... this year the Harrison's and others. Even the top recruits, Randle and Noel, fell a bit in terms of prospect, even if they still went high lotto.

The success of 2010-2012 fuelled this recruiting class. But its going to turn based on the last two years.

The common variable here is that after 2012 they had zero upperclassmen leadership. Be it Liggins or Harrelson or Darius Miller etc they have had a guy who was not a star but a real glue guy to keep things together and energize the youngsters. After that they became just a bunch of youngsters with no one to look up to. In 03 we had some upperclassmen to mesh with the frosh. There is no doubt you can win with frosh but you need those role players who scrap and do the dirty work.
 

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jncuse said:
To be fair, Calipari did deliver to his recruits on his first 3 classes in terms of getting them to the NBA, and generally where players expected (high lotto, mid lotto or first). Some can argue it was a chicken or egg thing, but his success rate was quite high, and higher than normal. Even guys playing roles like Bledsoe and Orton became first rounders after a year. What players were misses? But that being said, 2013 and 2014 are disasters for Calipari. Most of the high recruits are not getting into the lotto or first round, after one year... last year there was Cauley-Stein, Poythress, and Goodwin that certainly expected to be lotto type players... this year the Harrison's and others. Even the top recruits, Randle and Noel, fell a bit in terms of prospect, even if they still went high lotto. The success of 2010-2012 fuelled this recruiting class. But its going to turn based on the last two years.

Little early to be calling 2014 a disaster? They've lost to some really good teams and have beaten some really good teams. I for one would want to stay out of their way come March.
 

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Little early to be calling 2014 a disaster? They've lost to some really good teams and have beaten some really good teams. I for one would want to stay out of their way come March.

Agree, its still early to call it a disaster. But I think as a group these guys will not be drafted where they expected, even if the team improves.

I do disagree with your assessment that they have beaten some really good teams. (specifically the plural part of teams). They beat Louisville at home - that is it. Other than that, best wins are Belmont and Boise St at home. Decent bubble level / NIT teams, but at home those wins are hardly impressive. Its not an impressive win resume at all.

They have also played 3 games at neutral or away floors. Good teams in those matchups, but they lost them all.
 

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To be fair, Calipari did deliver to his recruits on his first 3 classes in terms of getting them to the NBA, and generally where players expected (high lotto, mid lotto or first). Some can argue it was a chicken or egg thing, but his success rate was quite high, and higher than normal. Even guys playing roles like Bledsoe and Orton became first rounders after a year. What players were misses?

But that being said, 2013 and 2014 are disasters for Calipari. Most of the high recruits are not getting into the lotto or first round, after one year... last year there was Cauley-Stein, Poythress, and Goodwin that certainly expected to be lotto type players... this year the Harrison's and others. Even the top recruits, Randle and Noel, fell a bit in terms of prospect, even if they still went high lotto.

The success of 2010-2012 fuelled this recruiting class. But its going to turn based on the last two years.

Wow. Mr. Untouchable himself, Jay Bias, has them #7 in his BPI. Despite the premature ejaculation all over this thread, the final score was 85-63. Cauley-Stein knew he was never going to start and is now a sure fire 1st rounder and most likely lottery pick. Noel was drafted 5th but I'm sure his torn ACL had nothing to do with that. But apparently his lost income was the coaches fault. Does anybody promise the "high recruits" one of the top 14 picks? What coach has a better rate of turning "high recruits" into lottery picks? Do you realize how hard it even is, putting aside the coach, to turn "high recruits" into lottery picks? Would Coleman have been one of those "high recruits"? How exactly did Randle fall? Did you see an imaginary draft board from GM last year when he was in HS?

You are usually much better.
 
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Cal would have ran Coleman off by now
 

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kirbivore said:
Cal would have ran Coleman off by now

Why wouldn't he with the recruits he gets.
 

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