Local Kids

[SWC75]

Jim Boeheim, on his radio show, asked me to determine how many local kids he’s had on his teams over the years. I decided to define ‘local’ as Section III but made a separate list of “upstate” players who didn’t come from Section III. I defined “upstate” as Albany to Buffalo, along with the Southern Tier and the North Country. The Hudson, New York City and Long Island are ‘downstate’ to me. I’ll have separate lists of ‘recruited players’, (walk-ons are occasionally given available scholarships), and walk-ons.

Here are the sources I used for the project:
For rosters: Syracuse Orange Basketball Season Records
For Players: All Time Syracuse Orange Basketball Player List
For Section III schools: 19-20 Boys Hoops leagues (PDF) - The Official Website of Section III Athletics
And Wikipedia to locate schools outside of Section III.

Section III

Recruited players (15):
Buddy Boeheim, Jamesville-DeWitt 2018-21
Jimmy Boeheim, Jamesville-DeWitt 2021-22
DaJuan Coleman, Jamesville-DeWitt 2012-17
Matt Gorman, Watertown 2002-07
Marty Headd, Syracuse CBA 1977-81
Andy Rautins, Jamesville-DeWitt 2005-10
Matt Roe, Fayetteville-Manlius 1986-89
Danny Schayes, Jamesville-DeWitt 1977-81
Dale Shackleford, Notre Dame of Utica 1976-79
Lazarus Sims, Henninger 1992-96
Symir Torrence, Syracuse Academy of Science 2021-22
Brandon Triche, Jamesville-DeWitt 2009-13
Howard Triche, Corcoran 1983-87
Dayshawn Wright, Fowler 2004-05
Josh Wright, Utica Proctor 2004-08

Walk-ons (11):
Tyrone Albright, Corcoran 2002-03
Adrian Autry, Jr. Jamesville-DeWitt 2015-19
Danny Boyle, Herkimer 1978-79
Ryan Cahak, Fayetteville-Manlius 2005-08
Ken Davis, Utica Free Academy, (now combined with Utica Proctor) 1978-81
Evan Dourdas, Jamesville-DeWitt 2015-17
Gary Hall, Tully 2002-04
Chris Lavalle, West Genesee 2019-22
Jim May, Nottingham, Syracuse, NY 1993-96
Chris Timberlake, Syracuse CBA 1981-82
Josh Watson, Skaneateles 1998-99

Others from Upstate New York:

Recruited Players (25):
Ryan Blackwell, Pittsford-Sutherland 1997-2000
Roosevelt Bouie, Kendall 1976-80
Damone Brown, Seneca Vocational, Buffalo 1997-2001
Marty Byrnes, Pittsford 1974-78
Hal Cohen, Canton 1976-80
Jonny Flynn, Niagara Falls 2007-09
Craig Forth, Columbia, East Greenbush 2001-05
Chuckie Gelatt, Chenango Valley, Binghamton 1993-94
Joe Girard III, Glens Falls 2019-21
Paul Harris, Niagara Falls 2006-09
Marius Janulis, Prattsburgh 1994-98
Chris Jerebko, Athol Springs 1977-81
Sean Kerins, Union-Endicott 1980-84
Bobby Lazor, Norwich 1994-96
Greg Monroe, Pittsford-Mendon, Rochester, NY 1983-87
Chinonso Obokoh, Bishop Kearney, Rochester 2013-2016
Bob Parker Irondequoit, 1973-77
Tony Scott, Rochester East 1988-90
Mike Sheehey, Rochester East/McQuaid 1979-81
Dave Siock, Vestal 1988-93
Sonny Spera, Union-Endicott 1981-85
John Wallace, Greece-Athena, Rochester, NY 1992-96
Cliff Warwell, Candor 1976-77
Howard Washington, Canisius, Buffalo 2017-20
Jimmy Williams, Buffalo East 1973-77

Walk-ons (8):
Josh Brooks, Saranac Central, Dannemora 2002-05Chaundu Carey, Mont Pleasant, Schenectady, NY 1987-91
Nolan Hart, Albany Academy 2010-14
Joey Kohm, Ithaca 1984-87
Jake Presutti, Genesee Valley, Belmont, NY 2005-09
Mike Sutton, Norwich 2014-17
Christian White, Aquinas Institute, Rochester 2014-15
Mike Williams, Riverside, Buffalo 2007-08

 

[bballbeadle]

Methinks Jim likes to keep you busy so you have less time to think up piercing questions.

 

[SWC75]

Methinks Jim likes to keep you busy so you have less time to think up piercing questions.

It will do no good.

 

[721Comstock]

Lydon isn’t from update NY?

I get that he’s from just south of Albany -
Hudson, in Columbia County -
but for the majority of NY residents, that’d be considered “upstate”

His HS is in the absolute northernmost part of Dutchess County.

Guess ya gotta draw the lines somewhere.

And I dunno, but -
I’d consider Jonny & Paul amongst the ‘local’ kids we’ve gotten.

 

[SWC75]

Lydon isn’t from update NY?

I get that he’s from just south of Albany -
Hudson, in Columbia County -
but for the majority of NY residents, that’d be considered “upstate”

His HS is in the absolute northernmost part of Dutchess County.

Guess ya gotta draw the lines somewhere.

And I dunno, but -
I’d consider Jonny & Paul amongst the ‘local’ kids we’ve gotten.

Tyler Lydon

Syracuse University basketball profile for Tyler Lydon, player for the Orange.

orangehoops.org

Pine Plains (town), New York - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That seems like "downstate" to me. JB's term was "local kids". Would you consider Pine Plains 'local'?

 

[jordville]

Jim Boeheim, on his radio show, asked me to determine how many local kids he’s had on his teams over the years. I decided to define ‘local’ as Section III but made a separate list of “upstate” players who didn’t come from Section III. I defined “upstate” as Albany to Buffalo, along with the Southern Tier and the North Country. The Hudson, New York City and Long Island are ‘downstate’ to me. I’ll have separate lists of ‘recruited players’, (walk-ons are occasionally given available scholarships), and walk-ons.

Here are the sources I used for the project:
For rosters: Syracuse Orange Basketball Season Records
For Players: All Time Syracuse Orange Basketball Player List
For Section III schools: 19-20 Boys Hoops leagues (PDF) - The Official Website of Section III Athletics
And Wikipedia to locate schools outside of Section III.

Section III

Recruited players (14):
Buddy Boeheim, Jamesville-DeWitt 2018-21
Jimmy Boeheim, Jamesville-DeWitt 2021-22
DaJuan Coleman, Jamesville-DeWitt 2012-17
Marty Headd, Syracuse CBA 1977-81
Andy Rautins, Jamesville-DeWitt 2005-10
Matt Roe, Fayetteville-Manlius 1986-89
Danny Schayes, Jamesville-DeWitt 1977-81
Dale Shackleford, Notre Dame of Utica 1976-79
Lazarus Sims, Henninger 1992-96
Symir Torrence, Syracuse Academy of Science 2021-22
Brandon Triche, Jamesville-DeWitt 2009-13
Howard Triche, Corcoran 1983-87
Dayshawn Wright, Fowler 2004-05
Josh Wright, Utica Proctor 2004-08

Walk-ons (11):
Tyrone Albright, Corcoran 2002-03
Adrian Autry, Jr. Jamesville-DeWitt 2015-19
Danny Boyle, Herkimer 1978-79
Ryan Cahak, Fayetteville-Manlius 2005-08
Ken Davis, Utica Free Academy, (now combined with Utica Proctor) 1978-81
Evan Dourdas, Jamesville-DeWitt 2015-17
Gary Hall, Tully 2002-04
Chris Lavalle, West Genesee 2019-22
Jim May, Nottingham, Syracuse, NY 1993-96
Chris Timberlake, Syracuse CBA 1981-82
Josh Watson, Skaneateles 1998-99

Others from Upstate New York:

Recruited Players (26):
Ryan Blackwell, Pittsford-Sutherland 1997-2000
Roosevelt Bouie, Kendall 1976-80
Damone Brown, Seneca Vocational, Buffalo 1997-2001
Marty Byrnes, Pittsford 1974-78
Hal Cohen, Canton 1976-80
Jonny Flynn, Niagara Falls 2007-09
Craig Forth, Columbia, East Greenbush 2001-05
Chuckie Gelatt, Chenango Valley, Binghamton 1993-94
Joe Girard III, Glens Falls 2019-21
Matt Gorman, Watertown 2002-07
Paul Harris, Niagara Falls 2006-09
Marius Janulis, Prattsburgh 1994-98
Chris Jerebko, Athol Springs 1977-81
Sean Kerins, Union-Endicott 1980-84
Bobby Lazor, Norwich 1994-96
Greg Monroe, Pittsford-Mendon, Rochester, NY 1983-87
Chinonso Obokoh, Bishop Kearney, Rochester 2013-2016
Bob Parker Irondequoit, 1973-77
Tony Scott, Rochester East 1988-90
Mike Sheehey, Rochester East/McQuaid 1979-81
Dave Siock, Vestal 1988-93
Sonny Spera, Union-Endicott 1981-85
John Wallace, Greece-Athena, Rochester, NY 1992-96
Cliff Warwell, Candor 1976-77
Howard Washington, Canisius, Buffalo 2017-20
Jimmy Williams, Buffalo East 1973-77

Walk-ons (8):
Josh Brooks, Saranac Central, Dannemora 2002-05Chaundu Carey, Mont Pleasant, Schenectady, NY 1987-91
Nolan Hart, Albany Academy 2010-14
Joey Kohm, Ithaca 1984-87
Jake Presutti, Genesee Valley, Belmont, NY 2005-09
Mike Sutton, Norwich 2014-17
Christian White, Aquinas Institute, Rochester 2014-15
Mike Williams, Riverside, Buffalo 2007-08

Nice work as always!

Minor detail. Gorman and Watertown were Section 3.

 

[rrlbees]

Nice work as always!

Minor detail. Gorman and Watertown were Section 3.

I’m thinking when he said local he meant the metro Syracuse area.

 

[SWC75]

Nice work as always!

Minor detail. Gorman and Watertown were Section 3.

Thanks. I fixed it.

 

[SWC75]

I’m thinking when he said local he meant the metro Syracuse area.

He mentioned Utica, too.

 

[HtownOrange]

Does the fact that the Otto-Man Empire crosses vast stretches of land affect the term "local"?

(thanks to: The Syracuse City-State: The Sun Never Sets On The Otto-Man Empire)

 

[RoatanCuse]

NYC folks call anything north of Westchester, “upstate”. They don’t get out of the city much.

 

[Mareiniss]

Lydon isn’t from update NY?

I get that he’s from just south of Albany -
Hudson, in Columbia County -
but for the majority of NY residents, that’d be considered “upstate”

His HS is in the absolute northernmost part of Dutchess County.

Guess ya gotta draw the lines somewhere.

And I dunno, but -
I’d consider Jonny & Paul amongst the ‘local’ kids we’ve gotten.

Cynthia Nixon says upstate NY begins around Ithaca

Nixon's campaign says the comment was a joke, but it spurred a social-media debate on where upstate begins and downstate ends.

www.democratandchronicle.com

 

[rrlbees]

He mentioned Utica, too.

I didn’t listen and only went by your write up.

 

[the villager]

I ask you to list the players from the same areas we missed on.

 

[SWC75]

I ask you to list the players from the same areas we missed on.

You can do that.

 

[SBU72]

NYC folks call anything north of Westchester, “upstate”. They don’t get out of the city much.

In college I had a roommate from "the city" and he considered anything north of Poughkeepsie upstate. For him traveling from Rochester to Buffalo or Syracuse a commuter ride.

 

[SWC75]

In college I had a roommate from "the city" and he considered anything north of Poughkeepsie upstate. For him traveling from Rochester to Buffalo or Syracuse a commuter ride.

I was in booth hall at SU when i was there. I remember one Saturday standing in the lobby of our floor with a nice view of Syracuse New York in front of me. A friend from NYC asked what I was going to spend the day doing. I told him i was thinking of going down to the city. His reply: "Oh, what flight are you taking?"

 

[longtimefan]

I was in booth hall at SU when i was there. I remember one Saturday standing in the lobby of our floor with a nice view of Syracuse New York in front of me. A friend from NYC asked what I was going to spend the day doing. I told him i was thinking of going down to the city. His reply: "Oh, what flight are you taking?"

Maybe he was referring to flights of stairs.

 

[Finwad32]

I almost came to blows with a WF fan for referring to Buffalo/Western NY as Upstate. He was so adamant that WNYer’s are so proud of where they come from that referring to them simply as from Upstate NY was offensive.

I told him he was a clown.

Hence, almost getting after it. Dumbest fight I’ve ever engaged in.

And he was from Buffalo and a WF fan, so he definitely is a clown.

 

[Geode]

I almost came to blows with a WF fan for referring to Buffalo/Western NY as Upstate. He was so adamant that WNYer’s are so proud of where they come from that referring to them simply as from Upstate NY was offensive.

I told him he was a clown.

Hence, almost getting after it. Dumbest fight I’ve ever engaged in.

And he was from Buffalo and a WF fan, so he definitely is a clown.

I'm impressed you met an actual WF fan.

 

[OrangeAl]

I almost came to blows with a WF fan for referring to Buffalo/Western NY as Upstate. He was so adamant that WNYer’s are so proud of where they come from that referring to them simply as from Upstate NY was offensive.

I told him he was a clown.

Hence, almost getting after it. Dumbest fight I’ve ever engaged in.

And he was from Buffalo and a WF fan, so he definitely is a clown.

It's true. Buffalo thinks of itself as Western NY, not upstate NY.
The interesting case is Rochester, which sits on the line between western NY and central NY. What are they?
(They once had a Sunday paper magazine insert that was titled "Upstate").

 

[two3zone]

I almost came to blows with a WF fan for referring to Buffalo/Western NY as Upstate. He was so adamant that WNYer’s are so proud of where they come from that referring to them simply as from Upstate NY was offensive.

I told him he was a clown.

Hence, almost getting after it. Dumbest fight I’ve ever engaged in.

And he was from Buffalo and a WF fan, so he definitely is a clown.

It’s actually true though, they don’t like being called upstaters here.

 

[NKR1978]

I almost came to blows with a WF fan for referring to Buffalo/Western NY as Upstate. He was so adamant that WNYer’s are so proud of where they come from that referring to them simply as from Upstate NY was offensive.

I told him he was a clown.

Hence, almost getting after it. Dumbest fight I’ve ever engaged in.

And he was from Buffalo and a WF fan, so he definitely is a clown.

Buffalo feels much more midwest than NY to me.

 

[SWC75]

Buffalo feels much more midwest than NY to me.

So does Syracuse. There was at one time an idea of having 'Upstate' break off from downstate the way West Virginia broke off from Virginia. If we did, we'd be considered part of, (and the beginning of), the Midwest, like Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, etc. rather than the East Coast.

The opposite of 'Upstate' is 'Downstate.
The opposite of 'Western' is 'Eastern'.
'Western' is not the opposite of 'Downstate'.