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NOVEMBER
(Most of this information is from The Sporting News pre-season magazine and the rest if from the websites of the schools.)
Tuesday 11/1/11 7PM at the Carrier Dome: Cal State LA
This is the first of two exhibition games against Division II teams. The Golden Eagles are coached by ex-SU star Stevie Thompson and JB likes to give Stevie’s team an occasional shot at the Orange. They were also the opening act two years ago when James Southerland burned them for 5 of 6 three pointers, his best ever game, (in an exhibition, naturally). They are picked to finish 5th in the California Collegiate Athletic Association. Last year they got off to a 10-2 start, then fizzled to a 5-11 finish. They had a well-balanced team with all their starters in double figures but lost their two leading scorers. They have a big center, 6-9 277 Carl Hoffman, a strong forward in 6-5 225 Chris Robinson, a solid guard in 5-11 Ryan Wetherall and a good sixth man from last year in 6-6 210 Leland Jones. It should be an easy win for the Orange but the Le Moyne game two years ago is still fresh in the minds of some. You’ve got to make the plays needed to win the game, even in an exhibition.
Tuesday 11/8/11 7PM at the Carrier Dome: St. Rose
Speaking of Le Moyne, we are, for some reason, not playing them in this second exhibition game but their fellow Northeast 10 Conference member St. Rose out of Albany. They are no pushover. Four years ago we were only able to beat them 80-71 in another exhibition in the Dome. Last year they went to the Division II NCAA tournament and made it to the Eastern Regional Semi-Final, fishing with a 22-9 record. They have an excellent backcourt back in Andre Pope and Rod Gutierrez, who averaged 30.4ppg between them. It will be the type of game where we will want to get out front early and not let them back into the game. It doesn’t count but you don’t want to lose another one of these exhibitions. One was enough.
Saturday 11/12/11 TBA (time To Be Announced)) at the Carrier Dome: Fordham
Now it counts but the early opposition is rather weak. The Rams have fallen on hard times. They won 3 games three years ago, 2 games the next year and then shocked people last year with a 6-4 start, including an upset of St. John’s. They then went 1-17 the rest of the way. Chris Gaston, 6-7 220 is one the country’s top rebounders at 15.9ppg, 11.3 rpg. He’s had 36 double-doubles in his career. 6-3 Branden Frazier scored 11.0ppg and 6-4 Alberto Eastwick 10.1. They’ve added 6-1 Bryan Smith, “a prototypical New York City Guard” who averaged 28 a game in high school. They will probably be improved, but like most of these early teams not in a position to exploit our primary area of uncertainty: the big guys.
Monday 11/14/11 7PM at the Carrier Dome Manhattan (Pre-season NIT)
The Jaspers were 6-25 last year. They and the next opponent are designed to make sure SU gets to the Garden for the “real” tournament: the semis and finals. New Coach Steve Masiello, off Rick Pitino’s Louisville staff. will try to rebuild around his backourt. George Beamon and Mike Alvarado scored 27.5ppg between them last year. The days when they almost derailed our national championship team in the first round seem like along time ago now.
Tuesday 11/15/11 7PM at the Carrier Dome Albany or Brown (Pre-season NIT)
The Great Danes were 16-16 last year. They lost their leading scorer and best player. They also have a good backcourt. Logan Aronhalt and Mike Black scored 26.9ppg between them. Brown was 11-17 last year and lost three seniors. Point guard Sean McGonagill was the Ivy League rookie of the year and forward Tucker Halpern was honorable mention All-Ivy.
Saturday 11/19/11 4 or 7PM in the Carrier Dome Colgate
SU takes a break for the pre-season NIT. The Orange hasn’t lost to the Red Raiders since February 24, 1962. Last year the halftime score was 46-8, the final 100-43. Colgate wound up 7-2. Their best player is named Yaw Gyawu. I kid you not. He averaged 12.6ppg. 6-10 Nick Pascale had 43 blocks.
I think it’s entirely possible that St. Rose will be the toughest opponent we had to this point in the season. We should be going to New York with a 4-0 record, (not counting the exhibitions), none of them close. If we struggle at all in those first four games that would be a bad sign.
Wednesday 11/23/11 TBA IN Madison Square Garden (pre-season NIT semi-finals vs. Oklahoma State, Virginia Tech or Stanford)
At last some real completion, although none of these teams is the kind of first class national power we’ve played in New York in recent years, (last year Michigan State, the year before North Carolina). Oklahoma State has given us some hard times in the past, (beat us in an 8-9 NCAA game in 1999, 61-69, beat us in the Garden 12/7/04, 60-74 and again 12/5/06 68-72), and I think they will be the best of the other three teams in New York. They were 20-14 last year and brought in one of the nation’s top recruits, LeBryan Nash, 6-7 230 and the winner of the slam-dunk contest at the McDonald’s All-American game. They are talking about him being a “one and done” player and this will be a major national showcase for him. They also brought in a top point guard, C.J. Guerrero, who won a three point shooting contest for high school players at the Final Four. 6-11 270 Philip Jurick almost averaged a triple double for one of the top JUCO teams in the country, (10/5ppg, 12.6rpg, and 9.5 blocks), Coach Travis Ford already had his starting backcourt, Keiton Page and Paul Olukemi back and says they are going to go back to his preferred uptempo style of play this year.
Virginia Tech, a former Big East and future ACC rival, has had a frustrating run. Three times in the last four years, the won 20+ games and had a winning ACC record but, (in their view) were “snubbed” by the NCAA tournament. A big factor has been their \weak non-conference schedule and this tournament is an attempt to upgrade it. They lost three seniors from a 22-12 team but get back Dorenzo Hudson, a big guard at 6-5 220, an explosive scorer who missed last season with a foot injury. He averaged 15.2 two years ago and his replacement, Erick Green averaged 11.6 last year. Also returning from being injured last year is 6-6 225 forward JT. Thompson and 6-9 238 Cadarian Raines. The three of them, (with Hudson) are the equivalent of a recruiting class. Whether the team has enough outside shooting after being 9th in the league in three point shooting and losing leading scorer Malcolm Delany is an issue.
Stanford was national power at one point under Mike Montgomery. In three years under Johnny Dawkins, they are only 49-48, including 15-16 last year. The Sporting News: “Stanford helps make up the muddle middle of the Pac 12 Conference, where parity and mediocrity duel for dominance….Dawkins’ recruiting approach, with its focus on skilled wings who can execute his perimeter-oriented style, has left the Cardinal lacking when it comes to a physical post presence. Stanford is too skinny, as nobody on the projected roster weighs more than 230 pounds. Most teams have at least one big man in the 250 range, which makes Stanford vulnerable to getting manhandled.” Their best players are 6-8 230 center Josh Owens, the only returning double figure scorer, (11.6ppg, 6.5rpg), 6-9 227 forward Dwight Powell, 6-6 200 swing man Anthony Brown.
Friday 11/25/11 TBA at Madison Square Garden (pre-season NIT finals vs. Oklahoma State, Virginia Tech or Stanford)
See above.
I don’t think any of the teams in New York will be the type of team with a strong front court that we could be especially vulnerable to.
Tuesday 11/29/11 7PM at the Carrier Dome Eastern Michigan
Another bad team. Rob Murphy is taking over a 9-25 team from last year that lost it’s best player, Brandon Bowdry, who led the MAC in both scoring and rebounding. They have no returning double figure scorers. Murphy has gone the transfer route to try to build up the program, brining in not only Dashonte Riley from Syracuse but also 6-7 power forward Glenn Bryant from Arkansas and 6-6 Wyoming forward Daylen Harrison. The problem is, none of them can play until next season. Riley appealled to the NCAA to waive the transfer rule in his case because he’d red shirted last year due to his injury but he was not granted the waiver. We might someday see Riley vs. SU because Boeheim likes to give his ex-assistants games against SU, (see Stevie Thompson and LA State).
(Most of this information is from The Sporting News pre-season magazine and the rest if from the websites of the schools.)
Tuesday 11/1/11 7PM at the Carrier Dome: Cal State LA
This is the first of two exhibition games against Division II teams. The Golden Eagles are coached by ex-SU star Stevie Thompson and JB likes to give Stevie’s team an occasional shot at the Orange. They were also the opening act two years ago when James Southerland burned them for 5 of 6 three pointers, his best ever game, (in an exhibition, naturally). They are picked to finish 5th in the California Collegiate Athletic Association. Last year they got off to a 10-2 start, then fizzled to a 5-11 finish. They had a well-balanced team with all their starters in double figures but lost their two leading scorers. They have a big center, 6-9 277 Carl Hoffman, a strong forward in 6-5 225 Chris Robinson, a solid guard in 5-11 Ryan Wetherall and a good sixth man from last year in 6-6 210 Leland Jones. It should be an easy win for the Orange but the Le Moyne game two years ago is still fresh in the minds of some. You’ve got to make the plays needed to win the game, even in an exhibition.
Tuesday 11/8/11 7PM at the Carrier Dome: St. Rose
Speaking of Le Moyne, we are, for some reason, not playing them in this second exhibition game but their fellow Northeast 10 Conference member St. Rose out of Albany. They are no pushover. Four years ago we were only able to beat them 80-71 in another exhibition in the Dome. Last year they went to the Division II NCAA tournament and made it to the Eastern Regional Semi-Final, fishing with a 22-9 record. They have an excellent backcourt back in Andre Pope and Rod Gutierrez, who averaged 30.4ppg between them. It will be the type of game where we will want to get out front early and not let them back into the game. It doesn’t count but you don’t want to lose another one of these exhibitions. One was enough.
Saturday 11/12/11 TBA (time To Be Announced)) at the Carrier Dome: Fordham
Now it counts but the early opposition is rather weak. The Rams have fallen on hard times. They won 3 games three years ago, 2 games the next year and then shocked people last year with a 6-4 start, including an upset of St. John’s. They then went 1-17 the rest of the way. Chris Gaston, 6-7 220 is one the country’s top rebounders at 15.9ppg, 11.3 rpg. He’s had 36 double-doubles in his career. 6-3 Branden Frazier scored 11.0ppg and 6-4 Alberto Eastwick 10.1. They’ve added 6-1 Bryan Smith, “a prototypical New York City Guard” who averaged 28 a game in high school. They will probably be improved, but like most of these early teams not in a position to exploit our primary area of uncertainty: the big guys.
Monday 11/14/11 7PM at the Carrier Dome Manhattan (Pre-season NIT)
The Jaspers were 6-25 last year. They and the next opponent are designed to make sure SU gets to the Garden for the “real” tournament: the semis and finals. New Coach Steve Masiello, off Rick Pitino’s Louisville staff. will try to rebuild around his backourt. George Beamon and Mike Alvarado scored 27.5ppg between them last year. The days when they almost derailed our national championship team in the first round seem like along time ago now.
Tuesday 11/15/11 7PM at the Carrier Dome Albany or Brown (Pre-season NIT)
The Great Danes were 16-16 last year. They lost their leading scorer and best player. They also have a good backcourt. Logan Aronhalt and Mike Black scored 26.9ppg between them. Brown was 11-17 last year and lost three seniors. Point guard Sean McGonagill was the Ivy League rookie of the year and forward Tucker Halpern was honorable mention All-Ivy.
Saturday 11/19/11 4 or 7PM in the Carrier Dome Colgate
SU takes a break for the pre-season NIT. The Orange hasn’t lost to the Red Raiders since February 24, 1962. Last year the halftime score was 46-8, the final 100-43. Colgate wound up 7-2. Their best player is named Yaw Gyawu. I kid you not. He averaged 12.6ppg. 6-10 Nick Pascale had 43 blocks.
I think it’s entirely possible that St. Rose will be the toughest opponent we had to this point in the season. We should be going to New York with a 4-0 record, (not counting the exhibitions), none of them close. If we struggle at all in those first four games that would be a bad sign.
Wednesday 11/23/11 TBA IN Madison Square Garden (pre-season NIT semi-finals vs. Oklahoma State, Virginia Tech or Stanford)
At last some real completion, although none of these teams is the kind of first class national power we’ve played in New York in recent years, (last year Michigan State, the year before North Carolina). Oklahoma State has given us some hard times in the past, (beat us in an 8-9 NCAA game in 1999, 61-69, beat us in the Garden 12/7/04, 60-74 and again 12/5/06 68-72), and I think they will be the best of the other three teams in New York. They were 20-14 last year and brought in one of the nation’s top recruits, LeBryan Nash, 6-7 230 and the winner of the slam-dunk contest at the McDonald’s All-American game. They are talking about him being a “one and done” player and this will be a major national showcase for him. They also brought in a top point guard, C.J. Guerrero, who won a three point shooting contest for high school players at the Final Four. 6-11 270 Philip Jurick almost averaged a triple double for one of the top JUCO teams in the country, (10/5ppg, 12.6rpg, and 9.5 blocks), Coach Travis Ford already had his starting backcourt, Keiton Page and Paul Olukemi back and says they are going to go back to his preferred uptempo style of play this year.
Virginia Tech, a former Big East and future ACC rival, has had a frustrating run. Three times in the last four years, the won 20+ games and had a winning ACC record but, (in their view) were “snubbed” by the NCAA tournament. A big factor has been their \weak non-conference schedule and this tournament is an attempt to upgrade it. They lost three seniors from a 22-12 team but get back Dorenzo Hudson, a big guard at 6-5 220, an explosive scorer who missed last season with a foot injury. He averaged 15.2 two years ago and his replacement, Erick Green averaged 11.6 last year. Also returning from being injured last year is 6-6 225 forward JT. Thompson and 6-9 238 Cadarian Raines. The three of them, (with Hudson) are the equivalent of a recruiting class. Whether the team has enough outside shooting after being 9th in the league in three point shooting and losing leading scorer Malcolm Delany is an issue.
Stanford was national power at one point under Mike Montgomery. In three years under Johnny Dawkins, they are only 49-48, including 15-16 last year. The Sporting News: “Stanford helps make up the muddle middle of the Pac 12 Conference, where parity and mediocrity duel for dominance….Dawkins’ recruiting approach, with its focus on skilled wings who can execute his perimeter-oriented style, has left the Cardinal lacking when it comes to a physical post presence. Stanford is too skinny, as nobody on the projected roster weighs more than 230 pounds. Most teams have at least one big man in the 250 range, which makes Stanford vulnerable to getting manhandled.” Their best players are 6-8 230 center Josh Owens, the only returning double figure scorer, (11.6ppg, 6.5rpg), 6-9 227 forward Dwight Powell, 6-6 200 swing man Anthony Brown.
Friday 11/25/11 TBA at Madison Square Garden (pre-season NIT finals vs. Oklahoma State, Virginia Tech or Stanford)
See above.
I don’t think any of the teams in New York will be the type of team with a strong front court that we could be especially vulnerable to.
Tuesday 11/29/11 7PM at the Carrier Dome Eastern Michigan
Another bad team. Rob Murphy is taking over a 9-25 team from last year that lost it’s best player, Brandon Bowdry, who led the MAC in both scoring and rebounding. They have no returning double figure scorers. Murphy has gone the transfer route to try to build up the program, brining in not only Dashonte Riley from Syracuse but also 6-7 power forward Glenn Bryant from Arkansas and 6-6 Wyoming forward Daylen Harrison. The problem is, none of them can play until next season. Riley appealled to the NCAA to waive the transfer rule in his case because he’d red shirted last year due to his injury but he was not granted the waiver. We might someday see Riley vs. SU because Boeheim likes to give his ex-assistants games against SU, (see Stevie Thompson and LA State).