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Not Your Average Recruiting Rant

javadoc

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As long as we're venting...

I do believe that, as has been quipped by coaches over the years, talent is XYZ% of winning, where XYZ > 50.

So how long do you wait on a new coach to determine if he's a good enough recruiter? The first year is likely a wash due to the turnover, but should you take hints from that immediate recruiting period? Maybe you start to get nervous if he doesn't land a new "four star" player instantly? And what about the next year? Surely you'll know by then if the coach is a good enough recruiter to keep. Because, after all, if the recruiting isn't good, then why keep the coach?

But hmm, how do you know how good the players are going to be? After one year? What about development time? Ahhhhhh, grasshopper, you see we have found an Oracle, a sure way to determine how good the players are before they even play. It's called "unarguably objective recruiting service" and it is never wrong in the aggregate. No need to wait - you will know instantly whether the coach has persuaded an acceptable group of young men to play for him, or if he might as well hit the bricks.

And you can't afford to wait! Even one bad year will set your program back, when you see that all your neighbors have done better. If you can't keep up with the Joneses, you have to go!

So there is my first point. By the logic of your arguments, those of you who swear by the recruiting services and bemoan our current efforts, I want to hear you say that coaching contracts should stipulate that recruiting efforts will be judged according to name-your-favorite-here, and if you aren't in at least Nth place in the conference (or in all of FBS), you're out. And that applies on your first full recruiting year - your 2nd in the program - if not immediately! Why wait? Same thing every year. 4th year? No matter.

Ah, but there is more. "Our class is in Nth place in the conference" is a weaselly way of saying, "These kids aren't good enough to be here."

Well, now is your chance to shine. We're redoing the coaching staff, so why not the players as well?

For your movie reference, how about Amadeus? When Mozart is told that his work is too long, and he needs to "take out some notes" or something to that effect. And he says, "Which ones did you have in mind?"

Mason, Foster, Cruz, Peterson, etc. Have at them. Come on, let's hear which ones are not good enough to play for Syracuse. Maybe if you say it forcefully enough, they'll decommit, and WHEW you saved us the trouble of wasting a roster spot on someone who shouldn't have been recruited in the first place!
 

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As long as we're venting...

I do believe that, as has been quipped by coaches over the years, talent is XYZ% of winning, where XYZ > 50.

So how long do you wait on a new coach to determine if he's a good enough recruiter? The first year is likely a wash due to the turnover, but should you take hints from that immediate recruiting period? Maybe you start to get nervous if he doesn't land a new "four star" player instantly? And what about the next year? Surely you'll know by then if the coach is a good enough recruiter to keep. Because, after all, if the recruiting isn't good, then why keep the coach?

But hmm, how do you know how good the players are going to be? After one year? What about development time? Ahhhhhh, grasshopper, you see we have found an Oracle, a sure way to determine how good the players are before they even play. It's called "unarguably objective recruiting service" and it is never wrong in the aggregate. No need to wait - you will know instantly whether the coach has persuaded an acceptable group of young men to play for him, or if he might as well hit the bricks.

And you can't afford to wait! Even one bad year will set your program back, when you see that all your neighbors have done better. If you can't keep up with the Joneses, you have to go!

So there is my first point. By the logic of your arguments, those of you who swear by the recruiting services and bemoan our current efforts, I want to hear you say that coaching contracts should stipulate that recruiting efforts will be judged according to name-your-favorite-here, and if you aren't in at least Nth place in the conference (or in all of FBS), you're out. And that applies on your first full recruiting year - your 2nd in the program - if not immediately! Why wait? Same thing every year. 4th year? No matter.

Ah, but there is more. "Our class is in Nth place in the conference" is a weaselly way of saying, "These kids aren't good enough to be here."

Well, now is your chance to shine. We're redoing the coaching staff, so why not the players as well?

For your movie reference, how about Amadeus? When Mozart is told that his work is too long, and he needs to "take out some notes" or something to that effect. And he says, "Which ones did you have in mind?"

Mason, Foster, Cruz, Peterson, etc. Have at them. Come on, let's hear which ones are not good enough to play for Syracuse. Maybe if you say it forcefully enough, they'll decommit, and WHEW you saved us the trouble of wasting a roster spot on someone who shouldn't have been recruited in the first place!
Which member of the syracuse recruiting staff are you?
 

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Not willing to stand up and say it, I see. Nice evasion.
come off it will you. You act like people here hate the players and think they are bad. The fact is players are ranked against each other. Number 1000 isnt as good as Number 1 in high school and thats facts. Once they get to college that can all change but the fact is that most people improve. Not just underdogs. We have had many kids over the years out preform their HS rankings and become NFL talents. But everything always reverts to the mean. When i was in JROTC we were an average drill team. We just didnt have the talented runners or athletes like other teams did nor did we have the most talented drillers. We had some people who outperformed expectations but as a whole we finished where we belonged talent wise. Its the same situation here. Its still any given saturday but on average the more skilled players will win on average.
 

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We do need to solve the recruiting puzzle. Recruiting has been consistently mediocre with hidden gems here and there for a long time now. Every time we get a new coach we get excited and then the first narrative we throw out with recruiting always starts with "well we are late in this cycle", "the cupboard was bare so we needed to get more talent in the skill positions". The next step we seem to flow to is "the recruiting sites aren't reliable (which some of it could be true, but come on), don't take stock in the stars. And then we eventually end up at the point where we are ready to get rid of another coach who can't seem to recruit here.
 

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Weird post. Every class has a mix of talents. We put kids in the NFL during the worst SU seasons. Doesn’t mean the collective classes were great.
What makes it harder is having guys leave early to be on NFL practice squad while other teams keep higher rated players. We can't seem to upgrade all the positions at once. We improve one just as another regresses.
 

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