OTL: did Mizzou cover up a football rape?

[PhatOrange]

crazy story. Girl ended up committing suicide. Sounds like she had some mental problems to begin with but they could've been exacerbated. Missouri certainly didn't pursue the allegations.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...ot-pursue-rape-case-lines-investigation-finds

 

[Full_Rebar]

This isn't the 1st issue there either...wonder if the NCAA will get around to an investigation sometime this century

 

[retro44]

Mizzou will go from 85 'ships to 90 ...Isn't that the way the NCAA works now a days

 

[NKR1978]

Considering its from OTL, Missouri deserves the benefit of the doubt until more information is known. We know first hand that OTL is about as credible as the Enquirer in these situations.

 

[mscanlo]

Mizzou will go from 85 'ships to 90 ...Isn't that the way the NCAA works now a days

just wondering, did you read the article? i know it is only one source but it appears she never reported the rape. the decision to end her scholarship appeared to be more out of intent due to her mental disorder, or other issues, than to cover up a rape case. from the article, i don't know why the football team would have to give up scholarships nor why an NCAA investigation would be warranted into the football team unless an investigation of the swim team/athletic department (which appears warranted) showed the intent was to cover up a rape to protect the football team

 

[retro44]

just wondering, did you read the article? i know it is only one source but it appears she never reported the rape. the decision to end her scholarship appeared to be more out of intent due to her mental disorder, or other issues, than to cover up a rape case. from the article, i don't know why the football team would have to give up scholarships nor why an NCAA investigation would be warranted into the football team unless an investigation of the swim team/athletic department (which appears warranted) showed the intent was to cover up a rape to protect the football team

Where in my post did I say Missouri would have to give up Scholarships?

 

[PeteCalvin]

Mizzou will go from 85 'ships to 90 ...Isn't that the way the NCAA works now a days

Nope. They have to find out more about Fab Melo's grades first.

 

[PeteCalvin]

This isn't the 1st issue there either...wonder if the NCAA will get around to an investigation sometime this century

This was the post I meant to reply too.

 

[SUfanNC]

I guess everything OTL says is true!

 

[mscanlo]

Where in my post did I say Missouri would have to give up Scholarships?

whoops read it too quickly

 

[Cusefan95]

If there's any justice in the world, some intern is going to accuse Bob Ley of sexually assaulting her. I would be very interested to see how his world view changed after such an incident...I'm sure it'd be a life altering event for him and a POSITIVE influence on the OTL journalism. Until then we get to deal with coverage that even the Enquirer folks would get squeamish at.

Bob Ley. And OTL. And ESPN.

 

[NKR1978]

It's a horribly sad story. OTL has it's preconceived narrative, and while Missouri may not have handled things perfectly, it seems like the administrators handled things the best way they knew how. I'm sure they made mistakes, but they don't deserve this hit piece.

Also strange that OTL isn't mentioning HIPAA in terms of medical professionals knowing about the rape.

OTL and SI with their Oklahoma State story always seem to go after low hanging sensational fruit. Would love to see a major media outlet really go after coach and administrator salaries, NCAA private jets, outrageous practice facilities, conference networks, Gordon Gee saying the B1G will have more money than God while Jim Delany threatens to drop to D3 if Ed O'Bannon wins his lawsuit.

 

[Full_Rebar]

I'd suggest following/reading Patrick Hruby. He does a good job of providing a balanced perspective and always points out coach/administrator salaries whenever someone claims that paying student-athletes will force schools to cut sports or risk going bankrupt.

The NCAA needs to realize that the P5 conferences don't need anyone else, even to run a profitable hoops tourney. We can argue about the "Cinderella" factor, but tv ratings won't drop for the Final 4 if Villanova or Wichita State aren't involved. At some point these AD's are just going to convince their Presidents that they should just split and make their own rules and keep more of the $

 

[Cusefan95]

It's a horribly sad story. OTL has it's preconceived narrative, and while Missouri may not have handled things perfectly, it seems like the administrators handled things the best way they knew how. I'm sure they made mistakes, but they don't deserve this hit piece.

Also strange that OTL isn't mentioning HIPAA in terms of medical professionals knowing about the rape.

OTL and SI with their Oklahoma State story always seem to go after low hanging sensational fruit. Would love to see a major media outlet really go after coach and administrator salaries, NCAA private jets, outrageous practice facilities, conference networks, Gordon Gee saying the B1G will have more money than God while Jim Delany threatens to drop to D3 if Ed O'Bannon wins his lawsuit.

Kinda going off topic, but Jim Delany saying the BIG would drop to DIII if they had to start paying athletes is one of the most absurdly unbelievable lies any human being has ever uttered. Either he's the stupidest person to ever walk the planet, or trying his hardest to be one of the least honest.

 

[Moontan]

The NCAA needs to realize that the P5 conferences don't need anyone else, even to run a profitable hoops tourney.

A 16/24-team tournament would look like a joke compared to today's tournament.

The alternative is to invite all 65 P-5 teams. That would include teams with losing records... yuck. Teams currently with losing records:

• VPI 8-11
• BCU 5-14
• TCU 9-10
• Northwestern 10-11
• Washington State 10-12
• South Carolina 7-12
• Auburn 8-9
• Alabama 9-10
• Rutgirls 8-12

There will be another 5-10 to join that list. These schools are currently at, or slightly over, .500 but still have most of their conference slates ahead of them.

In short: a P-5 tournament would be a sad affair with only 16 teams. I just don't see that filling a football stadium for the finals. Maybe it's profitable, but it's not the revenue generator that the the current tournament is.

A P-5 lax and hockey tournament would suck as well, since many of those sports' power schools would not be included.

The only short-term solution is for some leniency for the P-5 within the NCAA structure. Allow for football division/championship freedom and full-cost-of-attendance stipends.

 

[Full_Rebar]

I think the alternative is that all the P5 schools play. No one cares if teams are below 500. Would any of us care if SU played two below 500 teams to make the Sweet 16? Personally we could beat 4 below .500 teams if that's what gets us into the Final Four.

 

[atom58]

Interesting follow-alongs here:

University of Missouri enrollment to decline more than 7 percent; 400 jobs to be eliminated

University of Missouri to temporarily close more dorms

NCAA investigating alleged academic fraud at Mizzou

Mizzou tutor took courses for student-athletes

After much discussion in first story linked, final conclusion as to the cause of all this is "bad publicity" from the protests on campus.

 

[HtownOrange]

Mizzou will go from 85 'ships to 90 ...Isn't that the way the NCAA works now a days

I think you are referring to the B1G Rule, which came into effect shortly after JoePa retired. The more major the legal offense, the more the NCAA distances themselves from actually looking at the competitive advantages gained by the criminal acts. In addition to the B1G Rule in general is the PedState Provision, in B1G Rule 6.6.6: Compensatory Scholarships in Anticipation of Decreased Interest Due to Criminal Activity. The PedState Provision is designed to ensure that an offending school can ride the storm of bad publicity due to criminal behavior by players, coaches and/or staff. Said NCAA spokesperson, Ima Moar-Ahn, "we all no everyone is innocent until proven guilty. However, recruiting is so hard when the dark cloud of justice if hanging of the heads of a program that we decided it was better to reward the coach and team with additional scholarships with which to entice more student to join the program. I mean really, it can take years - decades, even, - to sort out legal issues and we would not want a team disadvantaged by the events of others so long ago that it has the effect of punishing the current students."

It should be noted that for serious violations; such as forgetting to cite a reference in a paper, failing to report that a student athlete had tutoring help, wearing un-matched socks, failing to tuck in a uniform jersey, not kissing the feet of NCAA employees, and of course, the worst violation of all, the dreaded "Bad Presser" Rule wherein a coach may simply state his own opinion; will always be met with a thorough investigation by the NCAA Rules Infractions Committee.

The B1G Rule does not specifically address whether paying a player's parent (via cash, realty, fancy cars, etc.) is equivalent to paying the player, nor does it address the creation of non-existent classes, fake grades, the combination of the two, or providing hookers or "special" tour guides during the recruiting process. It should be pointed out that they NCAA is reviewing the last item and may condition the punishment of such behavior based on a sliding scale of winning percentage, coach's personality, offending schools academic ranking, and how hot the escorts, I mean, "Tour Guides" are.

Ima Moar-Ahn closed with a reminder that the NCAA is a non-profit and that donations are accepted. No explanation was provided as to whether the "donations" comment applied to schools, coaches or wealthy individuals that generously support the school, or all of the above.