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There was much discussion this year of the relative value of a great regular season vs. a great post season run. Obviously, we’d like to have both. I decided to try to come up with simple formulas for comparing the two to rank SU’s seasons. The regular season formula was easy: 25 points for finishing #1 in the final pre-tournament poll, (which isn’t necessarily the final poll or even the one before that), 24 for second, 23 for 3rd, etc. For the NCAA tournament, (the only one I considered), my first concept was to give the national champion 64 points, the runner-up half of that, the final four losers half of that, etc. down to 1 point for losing in the round of 64. But that gives a team 16 points for making the Final Four, they same amount they would get for finishing the regular season ranked #10. That did not seme to me an equivalency in terms of impacts so I adjusted it to subtracting 8 points from the runner up down to the Sweet 16 and then dividing by 2 after that: 64 for the champ, 32 for the runner up, 24 for making the Final Four, 16 for the elite 8, 8 for the Sweet 16, 4 for the Round of 32, 2 for the Round of 64 and 1 for the ‘First Four’. (I’m ignoring consolation games.) Even if the rankings weren’t a top 25 or the tournament a 64(8) team tournament, I’ll use the same system, since I’m counting from the top down.
The NCAA tournament began in 1939 but the first AP Poll - writers, (the one I’ll use), began a decade later, for the 1948-49 season, so I’ll start there. (From 1960-61 through 1967-68, the AP ranked only 10 teams, the UPI- coaches 20 teams. I’ll honor a UPI ranking for the second ten for those seasons.) From As a shorthand, the latter year of the season will be used: 1948-49 is ‘1949’. Sources:
en.wikipedia.org
1949-1956: nothing
1957: Unranked + Elite 8 = 16 points
1958-1965: nothing
1966: UPI 15th + Elite 8 = 27 points
1967: AP 19th = 7 points
1968-1972: nothing
1973: AP 13th + Sweet 16 = 21 points
1974: Unranked + Round of 32 = 4 points
1975: Unranked + Final Four = 24 points
1976: Unranked + Round of 32 = 4 points
1977: AP 10th + Sweet 16 = 24 points
1978: AP 18th + Round of 32 = 12 points
1979: AP 10th + Sweet 16 = 24 points
1980: AP 6th + Sweet 16 = 28 points
1981-82: Nothing
1983: AP 20th + Round of 64 = 8 points
1984: AP 18th + Round of 32 = 12 points
1985: AP 15th + Round of 32 = 15 points
1986: AP 9th + Round of 32 = 21 points
1987: AP 10th + Runner-up = 48 points
1988: AP 9th + Round of 32 = 21 points
1989: AP 7th + Elite 8 = 35 points
1990: AP 6th + Sweet 16 = 28 points
1991: AP 7th + Round of 64 = 21 points
1992: AP 21st + Round of 32 = 9 points
1993: nothing
1994: AP #15 + Sweet 16 = 19 points
1995: AP 25th + Round of 32 = 3 points
1996: AP 15th + Runner-op = 43 points
1997: nothing
1998: AP 21st + Sweet 16 = 13 points
1999: nothing
2000: AP 16th + Sweet 16 = 18 points
2001: AP 17th + Round of 32 = 13 points
2002: nothing
2003: AP 13th + National Champion = 77 points
2004: AP 20th + Sweet 16 = 14 points
2005: AP 11th + Round of 64 = 16 points
2006: AP 21st + Round of 64 = 6 points
2007-2008: Nothing
2009: AP 13th + Sweet 16 = 23 points
2010: AP 4th + Sweet 16 = 30 points
2011: AP 12th + Round of 32 = 18 points
2012: AP 2nd + Elite 8 = 40 points
2013: AP 16th + Final Four = 34 points
2014: AP 14th + Round of 32 = 16 points
2015: Nothing
2016: Unranked + Final Four = 24 points
2017: Nothing
2018: Unranked + Sweet 16 = 8 points
2019: Unranked + Round of 64 = 2 points
2020: Nothing
2021: Unranked + Sweet 16 = 8 points
2022: Nothing.
The Ranking:
77 points: 2003
48 points: 1987
43 points: 1996
40 points: 2012
35 points: 1989
34 points: 2013
30 points: 2010
28 points: 1980 & 1990
27 points: 1966
24 points: 1975, 1977, 1979 & 2016
23 points: 2009
21 points: 1973, 1986, 1988 & 1991
19 points: 1994
18 points: 2000, 2011 & 2014
16 points: 1957 & 2006
15 points: 1985
14 points: 2004
13 points: 1998 & 2001
12 points: 1978 & 2001
9 points: 1992
8 points: 1983, 2018 & 2021
7 points: 1967
6 points: 2006
4 points: 1974 & 1976
3 points: 1995
2 points: 2019
The NCAA tournament began in 1939 but the first AP Poll - writers, (the one I’ll use), began a decade later, for the 1948-49 season, so I’ll start there. (From 1960-61 through 1967-68, the AP ranked only 10 teams, the UPI- coaches 20 teams. I’ll honor a UPI ranking for the second ten for those seasons.) From As a shorthand, the latter year of the season will be used: 1948-49 is ‘1949’. Sources:
Template:NCAA Division I men's basketball season navbox - Wikipedia
1949-1956: nothing
1957: Unranked + Elite 8 = 16 points
1958-1965: nothing
1966: UPI 15th + Elite 8 = 27 points
1967: AP 19th = 7 points
1968-1972: nothing
1973: AP 13th + Sweet 16 = 21 points
1974: Unranked + Round of 32 = 4 points
1975: Unranked + Final Four = 24 points
1976: Unranked + Round of 32 = 4 points
1977: AP 10th + Sweet 16 = 24 points
1978: AP 18th + Round of 32 = 12 points
1979: AP 10th + Sweet 16 = 24 points
1980: AP 6th + Sweet 16 = 28 points
1981-82: Nothing
1983: AP 20th + Round of 64 = 8 points
1984: AP 18th + Round of 32 = 12 points
1985: AP 15th + Round of 32 = 15 points
1986: AP 9th + Round of 32 = 21 points
1987: AP 10th + Runner-up = 48 points
1988: AP 9th + Round of 32 = 21 points
1989: AP 7th + Elite 8 = 35 points
1990: AP 6th + Sweet 16 = 28 points
1991: AP 7th + Round of 64 = 21 points
1992: AP 21st + Round of 32 = 9 points
1993: nothing
1994: AP #15 + Sweet 16 = 19 points
1995: AP 25th + Round of 32 = 3 points
1996: AP 15th + Runner-op = 43 points
1997: nothing
1998: AP 21st + Sweet 16 = 13 points
1999: nothing
2000: AP 16th + Sweet 16 = 18 points
2001: AP 17th + Round of 32 = 13 points
2002: nothing
2003: AP 13th + National Champion = 77 points
2004: AP 20th + Sweet 16 = 14 points
2005: AP 11th + Round of 64 = 16 points
2006: AP 21st + Round of 64 = 6 points
2007-2008: Nothing
2009: AP 13th + Sweet 16 = 23 points
2010: AP 4th + Sweet 16 = 30 points
2011: AP 12th + Round of 32 = 18 points
2012: AP 2nd + Elite 8 = 40 points
2013: AP 16th + Final Four = 34 points
2014: AP 14th + Round of 32 = 16 points
2015: Nothing
2016: Unranked + Final Four = 24 points
2017: Nothing
2018: Unranked + Sweet 16 = 8 points
2019: Unranked + Round of 64 = 2 points
2020: Nothing
2021: Unranked + Sweet 16 = 8 points
2022: Nothing.
The Ranking:
77 points: 2003
48 points: 1987
43 points: 1996
40 points: 2012
35 points: 1989
34 points: 2013
30 points: 2010
28 points: 1980 & 1990
27 points: 1966
24 points: 1975, 1977, 1979 & 2016
23 points: 2009
21 points: 1973, 1986, 1988 & 1991
19 points: 1994
18 points: 2000, 2011 & 2014
16 points: 1957 & 2006
15 points: 1985
14 points: 2004
13 points: 1998 & 2001
12 points: 1978 & 2001
9 points: 1992
8 points: 1983, 2018 & 2021
7 points: 1967
6 points: 2006
4 points: 1974 & 1976
3 points: 1995
2 points: 2019
