Resetting expectations?

[Lukeyloo]

A point was brought up on the Cuse Nation radio show today that if NIL was a thing back in 2014 we probably wouldn’t have been able to afford to assemble that team. It would seem there’s truth to that based on our NIL funding to date.

Realistically, what level of success does everyone think is possible for this program in the NIL era? Can we aspire to be a final four contender, let alone have national championship aspirations sans a flukey run? Maybe we’re destined to be one of the many middling ACC teams that just hope to sneak into the tournament at best.. idk.

A new coach, while almost guaranteed to be better at coaching than Autry, will still by limited by the quality of talent that they can acquire (read: buy). While there are outliers, a vast majority of the best teams seem to have the largest NIL budgets.

 

[dasher]

A point was brought up on the Cuse Nation radio show today that if NIL was a thing back in 2014 we probably wouldn’t have been able to afford to assemble that team. It would seem there’s truth to that based on our NIL funding to date.

Realistically, what level of success does everyone think is possible for this program in the NIL era? Can we aspire to be a final four contender, let alone have national championship aspirations sans a flukey run? Maybe we’re destined to be one of the many middling ACC teams that just hope to sneak into the tournament at best.. idk.

A new coach, while almost guaranteed to be better at coaching than Autry, will still by limited by the quality of talent that they can acquire (read: buy). While there are outliers, a vast majority of the best teams seem to have the largest NIL budgets.

It depends. The money is out there for us. It's a matter of whether we can get a coach that can inspire and go out for the cash that is out there and is needed. I think and I'm not positive of this, Red was uncomfortable asking donors for money. you can't be that way in todays world. We need someone like Fran who isn't afraid to gets their hands dirty. In my old world, clients will give you referrals. But most won't ask for them the way they should. Which is always.

 

[Cusean]

A point was brought up on the Cuse Nation radio show today that if NIL was a thing back in 2014 we probably wouldn’t have been able to afford to assemble that team. It would seem there’s truth to that based on our NIL funding to date.

Realistically, what level of success does everyone think is possible for this program in the NIL era? Can we aspire to be a final four contender, let alone have national championship aspirations sans a flukey run? Maybe we’re destined to be one of the many middling ACC teams that just hope to sneak into the tournament at best.. idk.

A new coach, while almost guaranteed to be better at coaching than Autry, will still by limited by the quality of talent that they can acquire (read: buy). While there are outliers, a vast majority of the best teams seem to have the largest NIL budgets.

We 100%, absolutely, without a doubt can compete for championships. This isn’t football. We need a coach that will inspire donors. And we will get one. The NIL is there. How can St. John’s do it? How does Villanova? How about Gonzaga? UConn? These are not SEC/Big Ten schools with endless cash.

 

[sufandu]

My expectation is regular top 25. Are all of the schools currently in the top 25 really that much more flush with NIL cash than us?

 

[Fat tire 13]

Agree on all the above - I’m too lazy to research it, but difficult to imagine that Nebraska, St Louis and Miami (OH) have bigger NIL budgets than us

It’s possible to do better. Blaming NIL is a convenient excuse. It’s part of the problem, but only part.

We are punching below our weight in coaching and player development. Last year we whiffed in the portal

To be top 10, it’s true we need to punch above our weight. Right now it’s the opposite

 

[Scooch]

Perennial top 25 team. Competing for final fours and national titles on a 5-6 year cycle.

 

[Lame-0]

We 100%, absolutely, without a doubt can compete for championships. This isn’t football. We need a coach that will inspire donors. And we will get one. The NIL is there. How can St. John’s do it? How does Villanova? How about Gonzaga? UConn? These are not SEC/Big Ten schools with endless cash.

St. Johns, Villanova and Gonzaga don't play D-1 football. UConn isn't trying to compete in a Power 4 football conference.

 

[sufan59]

A point was brought up on the Cuse Nation radio show today that if NIL was a thing back in 2014 we probably wouldn’t have been able to afford to assemble that team. It would seem there’s truth to that based on our NIL funding to date.

Realistically, what level of success does everyone think is possible for this program in the NIL era? Can we aspire to be a final four contender, let alone have national championship aspirations sans a flukey run? Maybe we’re destined to be one of the many middling ACC teams that just hope to sneak into the tournament at best.. idk.

A new coach, while almost guaranteed to be better at coaching than Autry, will still by limited by the quality of talent that they can acquire (read: buy). While there are outliers, a vast majority of the best teams seem to have the largest NIL budgets.

That argument by them is lacking context. In 2014, the fan base was at peak engagement and the brand was at peak prominence for the previous decade as well. Where the program was in 2014 would’ve for sure been at the top of competitiveness for NIL. I guess it’s easy to underestimate how big Syracuse basketball was not long ago, Saturday’s in January and February at the dome was the scene, arguably in the entire northeast. I think a reasonable expectation now is to get the program to regular tournament bids and have a number next to its name at times in January and February. If you fund to that goal, sometimes you may even overachieve and get on a run and achieve championship level outcomes. Once you regularly get back to that level, you may energize the fan base to fund at even higher levels. They had the funding and built a roster that should get a tournament bid and be in and out of the top 25 during the year. Just not playing close to that level. The program needs to perform to the level that games at the dome become events and not just another game. Need energy and enthusiasm again in the program.

 

[Cusean]

St. Johns, Villanova and Gonzaga don't play D-1 football. UConn isn't trying to compete in a Power 4 football conference.

And because of that, they have far less media revenue coming in. I believe it’s like $8 mil per Big East school vs $45 mil per ACC school. A high-end top of the line NIL fund is like $12-15 million for basketball. Most can be a top 25 team with $7-10 million. It’s entirely achievable. We just don’t have a coach that excites donors. When we do, everyone - including corporations - will want in.

 

[phil77]

My expectation is that we make the tournament every year. We are a top 25ish team. We are once again talked about with respect nationally and not treated like a joke. We make a run in the tournament when the stars align. We make a run at Duke for the ACC title when the stars align.

I want to play a fun entertaining style of basketball.

 

[Lame-0]

And because of that, they have far less media revenue coming in. I believe it’s like $8 mil per Big East school vs $45 mil per ACC school. A high-end top of the line NIL fund is like $12-15 million for basketball. Most can be a top 25 team with $7-10 million. It’s entirely achievable. We just don’t have a coach that excites donors. When we do, everyone - including corporations - will want in.

What share of that allotted $20.5 million is going to football at Gonzaga?

 

[NineOneSeven]

Make the tournament 80% of the time. Advance to the S16 60% of the time. Chance for a FF 25% of the time.

And 60% of the time it works, every time.

 

[Cusean]

What share of that allotted $20.5 million is going to football at Gonzaga?

Again, the ACC media payouts are so much higher than the WCC. We could spend all of that $20.5 mil on football and still have more leftover than they would spend on basketball.

 

[sufandu]

Again, the ACC media payouts are so much higher than the WCC. We could spend all of that $20.5 mil on football and still have more leftover than they would spend on basketball.

Once you spend the 20.5 there's none left over.

 

[Lame-0]

Again, the ACC media payouts are so much higher than the WCC. We could spend all of that $20.5 mil on football and still have more leftover than they would spend on basketball.

It doesn't work like that

 

[blust2i3d4]

We have the dome and charge a lot for the tickets. The school just don't spend it wisely.

 

[cusefan88]

My expectation is that they won't screw up the hire again.

 

[Scooch]

What share of that allotted $20.5 million is going to football at Gonzaga?

Schools don’t just “get” $20.5 million to compensate athletes. They have to *fund* that much if they decide to use the full allowed allotment.

These school’s revenues are a fraction of what P4 schools generate.

My hunch is that prominent hoops-onlies are not paying 75% of that $20.5 million to men’s basketball players. I doubt they’re funding the full $20.5 million and definitely not self funding it through university revenue. They’re leaning hard on private donors, I suspect, to fill the gap. Which means less available money for NIL.

 

[Blanko97]

Schools don’t just “get” $20.5 million to compensate athletes. They have to *fund* that much if they decide to use the full allowed allotment.

These school’s revenues are a fraction of what P4 schools generate.

My hunch is that prominent hoops-onlies are not paying 75% of that $20.5 million to men’s basketball players. I doubt they’re funding the full $20.5 million and definitely not self funding it through university revenue. They’re leaning hard on private donors, I suspect, to fill the gap. Which means less available money for NIL.

Very important point. If they’re not getting the fund through media deals then they’re pulling from other areas of the schools funding/rev. That adds a ton of internal politics issues. Syracuse is not in a bad spot no matter how badly people want to pretend like Syracuse is some special corner case

 

[sufandu]

Very important point. If they’re not getting the fund through media deals then they’re pulling from other areas of the schools funding/rev. That adds a ton of internal politics issues. Syracuse is not in a bad spot no matter how badly people want to pretend like Syracuse is some special corner case

It would be interesting to compare how much revenue basketball generates for basketball onlies to how much the school is investing in the team.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Gaslighting by the local media. NIL wasn’t a problem this year. Eph you paulie.

 

[721Comstock]

Gaslighting by the local media. NIL wasn’t a problem this year. you paulie.

Yeah, our talent acquisition this year was perfectly cromulent.
Indicating our NIL was at least adequate.

Does Hofstra have more/better NIL than Cuse?

It’s been the coaching of that talent,
and in-game strategery and substitutions that have been subpar.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Yeah, our talent acquisition this year was perfectly cromulent.
Indicating our NIL was at least adequate.

Does Hofstra have more/better NIL than Cuse?

It’s been the coaching of that talent,
and in-game strategery and substitutions that have been subpar.

Cromulent and strategery in the same post. Weird.

 

[sufandu]

Yeah, our talent acquisition this year was perfectly cromulent.
Indicating our NIL was at least adequate.

Does Hofstra have more/better NIL than Cuse?

It’s been the coaching of that talent,
and in-game strategery and substitutions that have been subpar.

Yeah. We saw against Houston we could compete, and that was with a disorganized offense. If coaching was adequate the defense should have remained consistent while the offense progressed and got dialed in. Defense has regressed and offense is still disorganized. The only offensive improvement was adding our most skilled player to the lineup.

 

[Lukeyloo]

We 100%, absolutely, without a doubt can compete for championships. This isn’t football. We need a coach that will inspire donors. And we will get one. The NIL is there. How can St. John’s do it? How does Villanova? How about Gonzaga? UConn? These are not SEC/Big Ten schools with endless cash.

In fairness the specific schools you names are basketball only schools so they can allocate a much higher percentage of their rev share to basketball.

My concern it that according to those who are in the know on here, the NIL put together for this roster was tough to raise and included a one-time infusion from a donor. While this roster should be good enough to make the tourney, no one is kidding themselves in thinking this roster is a true contender.

So what's truly possible on a frequent basis? What do we look like if this year included a supposed one-time cash infusion and it's still not good enough?