That wasn't the question. The statement the guy made was about skills. Not who would win.It wouldn't matter. That team would crush these guys
That wasn't the question. The statement the guy made was about skills. Not who would win.It wouldn't matter. That team would crush these guys
Agreed, that 2010 team was a finely tuned machine. Scoop had some off the dribble ability, as did Joseph from the forward spot though. But yeah, not as much as the 2003 team probably.If the 2010 team had a break you down off the dribble guy I think an argument could've been made for them, but that was the one thing it lacked.
Yeah. I thought that hurt us more in the tourney than losing AO. Sometimes you just need that guy you can give the ball to and tell him to get a bucket. I always wondered if having Flynn with his ability to do that would have been worth the trade off of worse defense and maybe less team chemistry.Agreed, that 2010 team was a finely tuned machine. Scoop had some off the dribble ability, as did Joseph from the forward spot though. But yeah, not as much as the 2003 team probably.
I think they lacked a go to guy with no holes like Carmelo though. Wes was a great, great player, but he had a hole: not much off the dribble game.
Yeah. I thought that hurt us more in the tourney than losing AO. Sometimes you just need that guy you can give the ball to and tell him to get a bucket. I always wondered if having Flynn with his ability to do that would have been worth the trade off of worse defense and maybe less team chemistry.
Outside shooting and ball handling on those 80's teams was not all that good.
I wasn't talking about the Pearl, Sherm teams. The poster said the Derrick, Billy, Stevie teams. And they didn't have Pearl or Sherm. they had Edwards. They also didn't have Matt Roe.Oh contraire -- ball handling on those 80s teams was EXACTLY what it needed to be -- give the ball to Pearl / Sherm, and run the floor.
Later on, complimentary ball-handling by way of DC and Billy was more than what the doctor ordered.
Now, shooting...
With Edwards, I never understood why such a short guy dribbled so damn high.I wasn't talking about the Pearl, Sherm teams. The poster said the Derrick, Billy, Stevie teams. And they didn't have Pearl or Sherm. they had Edwards. They also didn't have Matt Roe.
True, but today's game is totally diferent that the 80s. Today's game calls for a planned higher percentage of 3s taken now than back in the 80s.At the risk of perpetuating the non-Kamari antics, I have to note that Buddy had as many 3PA last season as Coleman and Owens had in the entirety of their combined SU careers. Not disagreeing with your general point, but you're really trying to compare two different games.
I dont care if they played checkers that team would crush this team in every game imaginable. Ok maybe they loose an eating contestThat wasn't the question. The statement the guy made was about skills. Not who would win.
We still had some of that with Jackson. I wish we could've seen what would've happened with both of them. When they were in the game together, Jackson was good at high/low passing to AO. That team was so much fun.AO though was the guy who really offset that weakness. We needed easy buckets vs Butler and AO would have given them fits for example
Stevie didn’t have to crash the boards, so he was always past half court by the time the other team knew what was going on. If teams had a prayer of rebounding with us, they had to send everyone and then scramble back. But, Seikaly, Coleman, Owens, Ellis...grabbed all the boards. How many runout dunks did Stevie have?Maybe I have selective memory here a bit but those DC teams and JB really dictated the pace in most games. We constantly pushed fast breaks. DC was masterful getting the board and immediately hitting the outlet. Loved those games. We used to rebound and run.
If the 2010 team had a break you down off the dribble guy I think an argument could've been made for them, but that was the one thing it lacked.
I wasn't talking about the Pearl, Sherm teams. The poster said the Derrick, Billy, Stevie teams. And they didn't have Pearl or Sherm. they had Edwards. They also didn't have Matt Roe.
Seemingly. The one question is team chemistry. That allowed that team tombe more than the sum of its parts. Does that get upset with either of those guys? We'll never know.If the 2010 team either had Jonny from the previous season or Dion from the following season, they’d have been pretty unbeatable.
Seemingly. The one question is team chemistry. That allowed that team tombe more than the sum of its parts. Does that get upset with either of those guys? We'll never know.
The 2012 team was the best team I saw that we ever put on the court.
And Kamari Lands would’ve been a fine bench player on that team
I have always thought the '10 team, Rautins senior year, was the best 'team' we've had since 2003. The way they moved the ball on offense, competent shooters, two guys that could score from the block. Really fun team to watch, might not have had the sheer athleticism as 2012, but a better team.The 2012 team was the best team I saw that we ever put on the court.
And Kamari Lands would’ve been a fine bench player on that team
That team would beat this team in a shooting contest? No. They wouldn't.I dont care if they played checkers that team would crush this team in every game imaginable. Ok maybe they loose an eating contest
I have always thought the '10 team, Rautins senior year, was the best 'team' we've had since 2003. The way they moved the ball on offense, competent shooters, two guys that could score from the block. Really fun team to watch, might not have had the sheer athleticism as 2012, but a better team.
Both the '10 and '12 teams were championship level teams if we didn't lose our centers at the worst possible time...
True, but today's game is totally diferent that the 80s. Today's game calls for a planned higher percentage of 3s taken now than back in the 80s.
So in other words we have come full circle back to this. ^^^Can you imagine a lineup of Flip, Benny, Lands, Taylor and JJ? Every single guy can score from all three levels. Size at all positions. I’m not saying this should or would be the starting lineup, because that is four freshmen and a sophomore. But, just a lineup I would love to see.