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Class of 2017 SG Chris Duarte (NY)

Discussion in 'Basketball Recruiting Forum' started by Cusefan0307, Mar 15, 2016.

  1. iommi

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    Michael Myers
     
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    This was before he visited for the Pitt game right? :(
     
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    Yeah, so he is a slasher?
     
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  4. Cusefan0307

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  5. RF2044

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    Agreed. Kid needs to get stronger, but looks like a real sleeper. Love the jumpshot, and the versatility.

    Kudos to Francis for calling this a few weeks ago.
     
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    He and his dad (I assume) were very engaged with Red pregame. Talked for at least 15 minutes. Seemed to be really into the game and stayed until the end. Did not see him come in or leave so I'm not sure what the post game interaction was.
     
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  7. o'sully33

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    It's fine and great to bring these types of guys in but the program (fans and staff both) need to actually show the patience to let these types of "investments" pay off. The last batch of program type guys we brought in like BJ, Buss, Joseph we got frustrated with too early and ran them off before they could actually become one of those guys who develop and give big contributions as a senior or junior. I know some of them didn't look great in minutes they were given early in their career but neither did Rautins, Southerland or Scoop - and no I'm not saying that's who all of them could've been just mentioning players who were given the time to develop and learn as underclassmen.

    The staff and fans alike didn't expect some of these recent guys to give great minutes as freshmen and sophomores when signing and expected the solid contributions to pay off in a couple years. Then when exactly that script started to play out, admittedly the sanctions played a role, everyone said get them out of here so we can bring in new commits that never actually materialized and next year the roster will be void of exactly those types of program type upperclassmen.

    Adding a program type perimeter scoring threat like BJ Johnson, a senior Buss's defensive intensity and measurables to the top of the zone this year when we were getting scorched at BC, or another senior ball handler like Kaleb Joseph who has been in the program 4 years to next year's team would be great.

    Just need to show patience to let these types of guys become who we think they can be.
     
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  8. RF2044

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    People always bring up BJ / Bus as examples that went sideways, but the reality is that our program has thrived for years recruiting program guys who stayed all four years and made incrementally larger and larger contributions over the course of their career. In recent years alone, CJ, Kris Joseph, Scoop, Rautins, AO, Triche, Jackson, Gbinije, and many others. By senior year, these program guys were often as good as / better than the more highly rated blue chip frosh counterparts that they were competing against.

    Our traditional recruiting approach has been to load up on these type of guys, and then supplement them by sprinkling in the occasional higher rated recruit. We've gotten away from that a bit in recent years, to the detriment of long term depth. And obviously, many of the higher rated players we've landed became early entrants who headed to the NBA often before the program truly benefitted from them being around. Most frustrating about that has been that we've recruited well enough to land guys who were NBA prospects, but that those NBA prospects were not truly elite blue chippers who could elevate the program to elite levels.

    Obviously, the scholarship sanctions further cut into our depth, but finding ourselves in a situation where we could potentially not have ANY backcourt players next season is a shocking position to be in. Only a few seasons ago, we were landing recruits a full year ahead of their class, which in turn enabled our coaching staff to spend time building relationships with underclassmen and strengthening our position in future recruiting classes. Today, we're significantly behind for the class of 2017, staring down the barrel of having 3-5 additional slots to fill, and desperately needing to add perimeter depth.

    Hard to know how good of a prospect Duarte is, or how his career will unfold. The skill set suggests that he could develop into a quality player, and we desperately need the backcourt depth. He also seems like a better option than some of the names that have been thrown about. We find ourselves today in the unenviable position of needing to add players, but not wanting to add guys who won't be able to play at our level. In that regard, Duarte seems like a good gamble.
     
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  9. cuseinseattle

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    If we could add Duarte and Ayala along with a decent PG prospect that would be great. Maybe even a 5th year grad transfer point like Gillon is this year and then we go get a more long term point in 18. I'm sure others have thought of this and brought it up.
     
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    If we could add Duarte and Ayala along with a decent PG prospect that would be great. Maybe even a 5th year grad transfer point like Gillon is this year and then we go get a more long term point in 18. I'm sure others have thought of this and brought it up.
     
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    You can say that again!! :p
     
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    Buss and KJ were recruiting misses. Better (from a ball perspective) to open up the spot. They cantnolay at an ACC level.
     
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    Part of the problem with Kaleb and BJ may not have been with the program but with the players themselves. If you're not producing on the court you shouldn't expect to be playing any type of major role which is what most transfers want. It takes a lot for a kid who was a star in highschool to accept a role where he's lucky to get on the court for a year or two especially when you have people in your ear all the time telling you you're good enough to be in the NBA. Being a program guy is hard for a lot of kids to except and i don't think the guys people keep bringing up saw themselves as program guys but rather they thought they were superstars. They all came in as top 100 guys and expected big roles right away. When it didn't happen or they ended up in the dog house the easiest thing to do was transfer to a lesser program where they could be the big fish again rather than accept the fact they aren't as good as they thought they were. Same thing seems to be happening with Frank Howard. It will be interesting to see if he stays and tries to get better in the system to be a real. Player as a senior or transfers at the end of the season. Also it's going to be interesting to see Kaleb next year at Crighton where he's not guaranteed a starting role with the team they have.
     
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    Not many kids who are highly touted players in highschool are willing to accept a role where they are sitting on the bench for two years. This is where the lost scholarships really hurt us we couldn't go after program guys because we needed all of our scholarship players to contribute right away. JB has been able to do more with a short roster than any coach in the NCAA but the lack of scholarships eventually came back to bite us in the butt. All those lost scholies should be 3rd and 4th year players ready to produce next year. As for the terrible recruiting this year well there's somethings no one can explain.
     
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    He sounds like exactly the kind of kid we should be adding at least one of to the roster each season. Maybe, he could even help next year.

    However, that being said, he doesn't sound like the pure PG that will be an absolute must have for next season.
     
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    Agreed. He's not a point guard at all. My question is: why aren't recruiting one? I know it's slim pickings but I don't get it.
     
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    I think we'll need a starting caliber PG, a starting caliber 2G [I assume Battle will shift to 3], and backcourt depth -- need to add all three of these things in the class of 2017.

    Ayala could give us the starting caliber 2. Duarte could provide the depth [along with Battle scoring a few minutes at stop gap PG]. Still need to land a starting caliber 1, though.

    And all of the above STILL assumes a lot -- namely, Battle returns, we land Ayala, Ayala reclassifies successfully, etc.
     
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    Battle is never moving to 3. He's going to be the 2 as long as he stays and when he goes to the NBA. He's also quickly becoming a very good defender in the top of the zone. Our offense does not require a traditional 1. If you have guys that can handle the ball well enough against pressure, we don't need a pure "1". We do need guys that when they get into the lane, they can finish, not miss 4-5 semi-contested layups per game. I like Duarte and Ayala (as a reclass) in 2017, and we need to go hard after everyone on our list in 2018.
     
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    Nonsense. He'll play 3 if nobody else on the team is added who can start at 3--and right now, there is nobody on net year's roster who is suited for the position.