Something Coach Boeheim deserves credit for

[SUMJF]

He has been getting a lot of complaints so to be fair I would do a positive thread.
Coach always gets the most out of his rosters.
The talent may not be super high but he doesn’t waste what he has on his roster. He knows what players strengths are and uses them in those ways. Other coaches let their players do whatever they want to get them to play for them but Coach Boeheim doesn’t do that.

I wish he recruited better players as he has really done a great job with his rosters during the season. He should get credit for this. I was looking at Quincy Guerrier and that guy was a great player for us because Coach knew how to use him. He went to Oregon and got freedom and hasn’t been the same player.

Coach deserves credit for his basketball eye. He is stubborn and hasn’t done a great job these past years but he still knows how to use players.

 

[FrancoPizza]

The talent may not be super high but he doesn’t waste what he has on his roster.

I would argue sitting in a zone is not putting his players in a position to succeed.

 

[23Zone]

Eh, back in the late 80s and 90s when we were stacked top to bottom with top shelf talent, we typically blew it in the post season with some mond boggling losses. A better coach would have had more success than JB during that time span. Could realistically have had 3 titles

 

[23Zone]

My JB / Cuse barometer is fairly reliable... When we think we are going to suck we end up being pretty darn good. When we think we are going to be tremendous, we tend to blow.

 

[Trueblue25]

This should be good

 

[Orangezoo]

Just gonna chill here on mute

 

[CuseFaninVT]

I’ll hang up and listen.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

He has been getting a lot of complaints so to be fair I would do a positive thread.
Coach always gets the most out of his rosters.
The talent may not be super high but he doesn’t waste what he has on his roster. He knows what players strengths are and uses them in those ways. Other coaches let their players do whatever they want to get them to play for them but Coach Boeheim doesn’t do that.

I wish he recruited better players as he has really done a great job with his rosters during the season. He should get credit for this. I was looking at Quincy Guerrier and that guy was a great player for us because Coach knew how to use him. He went to Oregon and got freedom and hasn’t been the same player.

Coach deserves credit for his basketball eye. He is stubborn and hasn’t done a great job these past years but he still knows how to use players.

I think this is from a biased perspective.

He doesn't "always" get the most.
Seems unfounded to say that "other coaches let their players do whatever..."
Unfounded, also, to say that JB doesn't. Remember Donte Greene? Haven't we seen Joe and Buddy in recent years with the unlimited green light?

Transfers... are impossible to discuss. They leave because of some type of dissatisfaction, and in search of something 'else,' and sure, maybe it's accurate to suggest that JB has better judgment than a 19-year old, but just as likely there are other factors in play.

We can cherrypick examples on both sides. What about how JBA and Bourama Sidibe were 3s and 4s in high school, but JB tried to convert them to centers. He abandoned that idea with JBA, maybe too late. Sidibe may have been a more skilled 4 than a banger 5. JB uses players in ways that is comfortable or most needed in his system, and that's often dependent upon who else he's able to recruit. Can't really say all those decisions were the most sound decisions. Was Marek really the best option to play so much at the 5?

Then, go back to early JB, where the common commentary was that he 'just rolled the ball out there' and the players "did what they wanted." But, hey, maybe that was the best way to use them...

 

[SUMJF]

I didn’t realize the level of frustration there is in this fanbase for Coach Boeheim.

I was just trying to give him credit for something. I am critical of him and AD Wildhack but didn’t realize the level of frustration there is.

He really needs to announce his retirement so he can get out with more positivity.
Another year of this isn’t good for the fans.

 

[Day2]

I didn’t realize the level of frustration there is in this fanbase for Coach Boeheim.

I was just trying to give him credit for something. I am critical of him and AD Wildhack but didn’t realize the level of frustration there is.

He really needs to announce his retirement so he can get out with more positivity.
Another year of this isn’t good for the fans.

JB killed Zelda’s cat.

 

[Eric15]

He is stubborn and hasn’t done a great job these past years

I concur.

 

[Cuseball]

Eh, back in the late 80s and 90s when we were stacked top to bottom with top shelf talent, we typically blew it in the post season with some mond boggling losses. A better coach would have had more success than JB during that time span. Could realistically have had 3 titles

You are wrong about a better coach winning 3 titles during the late 80’s and 90’s. Fans overestimate a bit but we were really only stacked from 1986 to 1991. Disappointing tournament results in 1986 (Navy), 88 (Rhode Island), 90 (Minnesota - we had no shooters) and 91 (Richmond) but we were never a #1 seed and never a tournament favorite. An appearance in the final in 1987 where boeheim clearly outcoached Knight, a close lose to the higher seed Illinois in 89 and then a tail off in talent starting in 92.

So tournament flops but way overstated to say we should have had three titles.

Cuse

 

[OrangeDW]

Eh, back in the late 80s and 90s when we were stacked top to bottom with top shelf talent, we typically blew it in the post season with some mond boggling losses. A better coach would have had more success than JB during that time span. Could realistically have had 3 titles

Eh. From ‘96 on, it was basically the opposite of that though. We usually played to seed or beyond it.

Fair to say Jimmy peaked as a coach from like ‘96 to ‘16. Recruited on a different level from Pearl to Owens though.

 

[miamicuse]

I thought about this question a bit and I do think one thing we took for granted over the years is to never have to worry about if JB is leaving when another college or NBA job opened up, there isn't a "is JB interested in the Texas job after Chris Beard?" crossing our minds.

 

[Col. Bleep]

Generally, I've thought Jim Boeheim did the best coaching when he had the least talent...consistently posting winning records and making some surprising late season runs.

That's not been true lately.

A big part of it is his refusal to come out of the zone even when it's getting destroyed to the point where playing man to man couldn't possibly be worse.

Part of it are the recruiting flops and issues that forced guys to play out of position.
Marek was not a center.
Joe G. is not a point guard.

And part of it seems to be ineffective coaching (poor in bounds plays...the failure to work end of halfs without turning over the ball...over-reliance on the zone).

The saddest thing though is that we used to think the Orange were going to win every game.
Now we hope to play well against strong teams.
Thats mediocrity.
Irrelevance.
It's where the coach has brought us now.