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i have long been a big coach d supporter, but all of these recent flips is making me think something is very wrong with the program.i would like to see some accountability.
flips to nd, virginia, mich and princeton. i think they would all have as high or higher tuitions than does su.1. 9th and 10th graders changing their minds.
2. 12.6 scholarships divided between 50 players.
3. $70k tuition and room & board, and SU is being stingy with the financial aid.
flips to nd, virginia, mich and princeton. i think they would all have as high or higher tuitions than does su.
Michigan offered Zawada a full scholarship, while we only offered a partial. And the Ivies come up with a ton of need based aid depending on your income (and it doesn't hurt to be a great student).
Zawada really shouldn't count in the flip discussion it appears to have been 100% financially related.
He was a free agent. He got a better offer.![]()
The older coaches currently running our program are great coaches who have lost touch with recruiting.I agree with those listing the obvious reasons these flips would occur. If something is really wrong, then what could it be??? That's a question for the original poster or anyone else.
It certainly looks like an out of touch group from the outside. As others have pointed out, the lack of a social media presence is a good example of where the staff is falling behind. Other teams are constantly pushing out content for their fanbases and prospects. This month on twitter (which included signing day) the team pushed out 2 thanksgiving tweets and an ad for their December prospect camp. Their Instagram hasn't posted anything since October.
On a side note I found real irony in the team wanting prospects to pay $135 for the chance to come play in front of them. I'm sure every program does it but lately it seems particularly bothersome.
The indoor showcase in January is $195 but is open to other college programs.True. Although, it is actually one of the cheaper one's that I have seen. Most are $150-$175
Michigan offered Zawada a full scholarship, while we only offered a partial. And the Ivies come up with a ton of need based aid depending on your income (and it doesn't hurt to be a great student).
I also find that hard to believe but IF Zawada was truly given a full ride then a few things come to mind. 1) Michigan is obviously fully funded and they have "managed their payroll" and roster well as lead players and seniors Noseworthy, Curran, Sutherland, DeCaprio, and Borda roll off the books at year end and free up monies 2 ) Many players come from well to do families and scholarship monies are secondary to lax getting them into a top school 3) Cuse is a larger squad and still relatively young so rolloff of monies for 19' and beyond is more limited restricting ability to match offers 4) A few of our better contributors who dont come from monies and could start for Michigan may be getting short changed and might consider transferring to Michigan if they have the grades.Michigan offered Zawada a full scholarship, while we only offered a partial. And the Ivies come up with a ton of need based aid depending on your income (and it doesn't hurt to be a great student).
I also find that hard to believe but IF Zawada was truly given a full ride then a few things come to mind. 1) Michigan is obviously fully funded and they have "managed their payroll" and roster well as lead players and seniors Noseworthy, Curran, Sutherland, DeCaprio, and Borda roll off the books at year end and free up monies 2 ) Many players come from well to do families and scholarship monies are secondary to lax getting them into a top school 3) Cuse is a larger squad and still relatively young so rolloff of monies for 19' and beyond is more limited restricting ability to match offers 4) A few of our better contributors who dont come from monies and could start for Michigan may be getting short changed and might consider transferring to Michigan if they have the grades.
I guess what bothers me about the Zawada situation is, if it really was about money - SU just had three decommitments from players who I assume were made scholarship promises of some sort. A top recruit decides to commit somewhere based *solely* on financial reasons - and the coaches don't offer any of $$ that has just presumably opened up? I remain skeptical that it was only a financial decision. Good luck to him, but it sounds like we are tying to give the coaching staff a pass for this, and for me it doesn't add up.
Yes, good post, what bothers me isn't the flips per se. That happens. It is the fact that we haven't flipped anybody to us. As you point out, we have to have some unexpected scholie $$$ available.I guess what bothers me about the Zawada situation is, if it really was about money - SU just had three decommitments from players who I assume were made scholarship promises of some sort. A top recruit decides to commit somewhere based *solely* on financial reasons - and the coaches don't offer any of $$ that has just presumably opened up? I remain skeptical that it was only a financial decision. Good luck to him, but it sounds like we are tying to give the coaching staff a pass for this, and for me it doesn't add up.
We are all ignorant of the reasons for these de-coms. We have no data, no reports, no intelligence, just conjecture. Where are the investigative reporters. Where is Xanders on this stuff. I am tired of the emphasis on recruit rating and the lack of depth in lacrosse reporting. Coaches won't talk, even retired coaches who could delineate much of the crap that goes on among college recruiters. I'd like to see in depth confidential interviews with coaches, recruits, families, college administrators, retired players, etc. We, the supporters of this game, lovers of this game who spend time and money on it should demand of anyone who claims to report to us in magazines, tweets, etc. that he or she take risks to discover the basis for important events or trends. I have already described the way I think a good recruiting system might work on this forum. For all I know it was a swing and miss. Let's hold people like Xanders accountable for more than just "a quick leftie attack man" blurbs. For god's sake do some real work.I guess what bothers me about the Zawada situation is, if it really was about money - SU just had three decommitments from players who I assume were made scholarship promises of some sort. A top recruit decides to commit somewhere based *solely* on financial reasons - and the coaches don't offer any of $$ that has just presumably opened up? I remain skeptical that it was only a financial decision. Good luck to him, but it sounds like we are tying to give the coaching staff a pass for this, and for me it doesn't add up.
Yes, good post, what bothers me isn't the flips per se. That happens. It is the fact that we haven't flipped anybody to us. As you point out, we have to have some unexpected scholie $$$ available.
One directional flips still begs back to my OP on staff accountability. I see no excuse why we should lose 4 top recruits & not be able to flip at least one or two others back to us.
Xanders' strength is definitely not in writing. His strength is marketing. I've been critical of his lack of coverage of HS lacrosse in the spring, but it's obvious that summer and fall tournaments will help him travel to attend the tournament, and HS teams won't do that, so he doesn't cover HS games outside the MD/DC/VA area. And he really doesn't cover much of them either. There are a ton of good HS teams playing on the east coast multiple times each week for 3 months each spring, but it hardly gets covered. But lucky for us he keeps putting out his weekly top 25 of the same HS teams adjusted by a couple positions based on their recent results. :eyeroll:We are all ignorant of the reasons for these de-coms. We have no data, no reports, no intelligence, just conjecture. Where are the investigative reporters. Where is Xanders on this stuff. I am tired of the emphasis on recruit rating and the lack of depth in lacrosse reporting. Coaches won't talk, even retired coaches who could delineate much of the crap that goes on among college recruiters. I'd like to see in depth confidential interviews with coaches, recruits, families, college administrators, retired players, etc. We, the supporters of this game, lovers of this game who spend time and money on it should demand of anyone who claims to report to us in magazines, tweets, etc. that he or she take risks to discover the basis for important events or trends. I have already described the way I think a good recruiting system might work on this forum. For all I know it was a swing and miss. Let's hold people like Xanders accountable for more than just "a quick leftie attack man" blurbs. For god's sake do some real work.
We are all ignorant of the reasons for these de-coms. We have no data, no reports, no intelligence, just conjecture. Where are the investigative reporters. Where is Xanders on this stuff. I am tired of the emphasis on recruit rating and the lack of depth in lacrosse reporting. Coaches won't talk, even retired coaches who could delineate much of the crap that goes on among college recruiters. I'd like to see in depth confidential interviews with coaches, recruits, families, college administrators, retired players, etc. We, the supporters of this game, lovers of this game who spend time and money on it should demand of anyone who claims to report to us in magazines, tweets, etc. that he or she take risks to discover the basis for important events or trends. I have already described the way I think a good recruiting system might work on this forum. For all I know it was a swing and miss. Let's hold people like Xanders accountable for more than just "a quick leftie attack man" blurbs. For god's sake do some real work.